I am selling one on ebay right now that was given to me. I didn't use it, but the guy who had it liked it and compared it to his higher priced optics. It is the 20-60x80mm and he is an outfitter who uses mostly higher priced optics. He said he is stocked up by swarovski, so didn't need to hang on to this one. Seems real nice to me, but I don't have a use for it. sorry I couldn't be of more help.