johnnycake
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Don't tempt me.Save the deer/elk herds and shoot one or three!
Merry Christmas to all
Don't tempt me.Save the deer/elk herds and shoot one or three!
Merry Christmas to all
Heard the same regarding the reintroduction in WY MT and ID. And look at it now, management and hunting seasons!
Hunters shouldn’t have sole rights to what roams the public lands. And there was plenty of time where hunting based organizations not only in CO but other states could have dumped money in to fight it. But they didn’t.
$FW could have likely put enough out there to sway it the other way. But what better way to get new membership once that first wolf crosses into Utah. See conspiracy theories work both ways
Find the narrative that fits your opinion.If you don't understand the difference in Id sand Montana, I can't help.
And predator numbers will naturally manage the big game numbers. No need for Big Game hunting. This is the direction some states would like to go. Been a major topic at the Washington State Game Commission the last several months.low deer and elk population will naturally manage the wolves numbers.
Peaks and valleys from now on....And predator numbers will naturally manage the big game numbers. No need for Big Game hunting. This is the direction some states would like to go. Been a major topic at the Washington State Game Commission the last several months.
Sure but if you’re not going to have wolf hunting then the only way to manage the population is by shooting their food and keep those numbers in check. But that’s if they even want to manage the population of wolves.And predator numbers will naturally manage the big game numbers. No need for Big Game hunting. This is the direction some states would like to go. Been a major topic at the Washington State Game Commission the last several months.
TruePeaks and valleys from now on....
I too am happy to live where I do. But you know enough to know there are those out there who are dead set to change things.Sure but if you’re not going to have wolf hunting then the only way to manage the population is by shooting their food and keep those numbers in check. But that’s if they even want to manage the population of wolves.
I’m happy to live in a state that protected its citizens ability to hunt big game.
Oregon? You mean the state that had ~120k elk before wolves were reestablished but has ~130k elk today?You listed 3 states where wolves can be hunted and one where they can’t, pretty sure Oregon is having issues with their wolves.
Dang Johnny you went deep in this thread to dig this up. I thought you had already convinced that the woofs were alright… just remember I have no problem with themOregon? You mean the state that had ~120k elk before wolves were reestablished but has ~130k elk today?
https://www.dfw.state.or.us/wildlife/management_plans/docs/ElkPlanfinal.pdf
Big game population survey data | Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife
See the latest and historic data on big game population surveys from 2012 to present.myodfw.com
Yeah I somehow got on the first page again, saw that, and got curious. Pretty funny how the state that has zero wolf hunting has grown both elk and wolves over the past 20 yearsDang Johnny you went deep in this thread to dig this up. I thought you had already convinced that the woofs were alright… just remember I have no problem with them
Man I guess Colorado will be over run with elk considering those numbers… happy days happy daysYeah I somehow got on the first page again, saw that, and got curious. Pretty funny how the state that has zero wolf hunting has grown both elk and wolves over the past 20 years
Yeah but just think how many elk Oregon COULD have had if it wasn’t for the wolves. 200K? 300k?Oregon? You mean the state that had ~120k elk before wolves were reestablished but has ~130k elk today?
https://www.dfw.state.or.us/wildlife/management_plans/docs/ElkPlanfinal.pdf
Big game population survey data | Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife
See the latest and historic data on big game population surveys from 2012 to present.myodfw.com
I can attest that this video saved my life.It's not worth fighting over at this point since we're all friends who share a common love, the great outdoors.
As a public service I submit this video in hope that it will save a life. Be safe out there. A 5 minute video and well worth it.
I can attest that this video saved my life.
The Governor’s favorite kind of deal!It was a backdoor deal.
It sounds like they may not eat so many deer and elk after all. I’m a bottle half full kinda guyMust read for how the wolf release was handled and the overall lack of transparency by our governor and his spouse.
Cat Urbigkit: The Botched Optics of Colorado’s Wolf Release
Columnist Cat Urbigkit writes, "Colorado completed the transfer of 10 wolves last week after the animals were captured in Oregon. For the people involved, it was framed as a success, a joyful occasion at an invitation-only event. For the rest of the public, the release details were kept secret..."cowboystatedaily.com
Can't wait for the upcoming Fence Post Article!!!
lmmfao.......you really think there are still government employees that give a **** about what the people" think??....lolI would not want to be a CPW employee right now. Can you imagine having to deal with a very irate rancher after wolves have killed $30,000 or more of his livestock overnight. These employees are gonna have some azz chewings coming .
You sound like you know how the typical government employee is trained . What dept was you employed with ?lmmfao.......you really think there are still government employees that give a **** about what the people" think??....lol
"We're sorry Mr. Rancher. I feel bad for you. If you can prove it was wolves you can apply for compensation. I have to go investigate a wolf poaching now. Good luck."I would not want to be a CPW employee right now. Can you imagine having to deal with a very irate rancher after wolves have killed $30,000 or more of his livestock overnight. These employees are gonna have some azz chewings coming .
You sound like you know how the typical government employee is trained . What dept was you employed with ?
Yeah **** yeah i think that. A real good friend of mine works the front desk at the gunnison office and deals with all sorts of jerks year round. She didnt vote for wolves, she just needs a decent job.lmmfao.......you really think there are still government employees that give a **** about what the people" think??....lol
I believe we have a few on this site.Those with Facebook ought to check out Colorado’s First Man‘s (gag) page and see the crap about wolves. Bunch of ### vegans who are clueless. Marlon Reis
This alone says everything a person needs to know. They don't want to hear what people really think about this whole fiasco, so they hide it.You Guys Miss This:
Colorado Public Radio reported that the first of the wolf releases was kept secret from all but about 45 invited guests including Governor Polis, his husband, and top wolf advocates from around Colorado, as well as a few representatives of the media.
His Husband!
GEEZUS!
As I understand it the only killing allowed under 10j is to be done by USFWSA small silver lining for the Colorado ranchers- You guys need to do some research on 10j and what that experimental designation allows you to now do in the entire state. As of December 8th, ranchers are now allowed to use lethal take to protect people or livestock. The 10J designation essentially removes the protection on the Walden pack, or wolves anywhere else in the state, according to the verbiage used by USF&W.
That isn't the case. Landowners can use lethal take to protect livestock and no preventative measures are required under 10j designation.As I understand it the only killing allowed under 10j is to be done by USFWS
Oh no! They elected a person who loves another person despite these two people having the same genitalia! What horror!You Guys Miss This:
Colorado Public Radio reported that the first of the wolf releases was kept secret from all but about 45 invited guests including Governor Polis, his husband, and top wolf advocates from around Colorado, as well as a few representatives of the media.
His Husband!
GEEZUS!
I don't care what people do behind closed doors but I do care about their actions in public. This guy offers plenty of reasons to not like him, sexual preferences aside.Oh no! They elected a person who loves another person despite these two people having the same genitalia! What horror!
Good grief, the rampant homophobia expressed in this particular corner of the Internet gets old. Then again, studies do have some curious insights into homophobes
Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And that's entirely fair.I don't care what people do behind closed doors but I do care about their actions in public. This guy offers plenty of reasons to not like him, sexual preferences aside.
I was born in CO. I can't stand what CO has become; all to (seemingly) appease the 'ooooh, we elected a gay governor, so we must be cool' crowd. Governing folks should never be a social experiment.Quite obvious reading many of these post very few of you live and understand the true political nature of Colorado and the Governor. Please by all means keep spewing your nonresident ignorance.
100%Oh no! They elected a person who loves another person despite these two people having the same genitalia! What horror!
Good grief, the rampant homophobia expressed in this particular corner of the Internet gets old. Then again, studies do have some curious insights into homophobes
Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Look at all the states the wolves have wiped out the elk and deer. I've made a list. Here they are:Looks like I'll be able to see first hand on what the actual impact will be now that we have wolves. I saw a second one in my area two days ago. Every bit as big as my 100 pound shepherd. No doubt they are beautiful animals. I guess that would be why all of the clueless front rangers want them here so bad. Both deer and elk numbers have been struggling for the past several years in this area and the predators have been thriving. I'm betting that this is not going to play out well for the ungulates.
Please refer to post 341Look at all the states the wolves have wiped out the elk and deer. I've made a list. Here they are:
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You Guys Miss This:
Colorado Public Radio reported that the first of the wolf releases was kept secret from all but about 45 invited guests including Governor Polis, his husband, and top wolf advocates from around Colorado, as well as a few representatives of the media.
His Husband!
GEEZUS!
Being afraid to make fun of fags is the real homophobia......Oh no! They elected a person who loves another person despite these two people having the same genitalia! What horror!
Good grief, the rampant homophobia expressed in this particular corner of the Internet gets old. Then again, studies do have some curious insights into homophobes
Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I have homerphobia.Being afraid to make fun of fags is the real homophobia......
Looks like I'll be able to see first hand on what the actual impact will be now that we have wolves. I saw a second one in my area two days ago. Every bit as big as my 100 pound shepherd. No doubt they are beautiful animals. I guess that would be why all of the clueless front rangers want them here so bad. Both deer and elk numbers have been struggling for the past several years in this area and the predators have been thriving. I'm betting that this is not going to play out well for the ungulates.
A Boob and a Boob
Obviously I'm missing something. Will research more.Unfortunately, it doesn't looks like the 10j ruling is going to help Colorado Ranchers protect their livestock from wolf depredation at this time.
Request to remove depredating wolves denied by Colorado officials
Colorado Parks and Wildlife officials denied a formal request by a rancher in Jackson County to remove two depredating wolves in the North Park area.www.coloradopolitics.com
More Wolves = Fewer Elk = Yellowstone Aspen Comeback
I found out something I never knew about and it's a plus to having fewer elk on the the landscape. It's also something we should all be able to agree on.
It sounds like a huge reduction in elk numbers at first but should/could be a huge plus for Colorado if it's true as many of their mountains are filled with Aspens. Although it's a five year old article I'd assume it would still apply in today's landscape.
Aspen trees are beautiful in the Fall. I wish we had more of them here in Western Montana as they too should be excelling.
Kevin Reichard September 4, 2018 Issues, News, Wolves
It’s being hailed as a success in restoring balance to the area: the reintroduction of wolves has lessened the elk population — which in turn is fueling a Yellowstone aspen comeback.
Now, when it comes to the sexy and notable in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, aspen never makes the list of attractions cited by tourists as they plan their annual trips. But on the scientific front, a Yellowstone aspen comeback has been on the wish list for many close observers. Elk, in particular, are hard on aspen, and when there’s an overpopulation of elk, there’s also stress on the aspen numbers. Aspen stands are part of the diversity of the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, acting as a contrast to conifer forests. But with the perceived overpopulation of elk after wolves were eliminated from the region, aspen stands became less prevalent after serving as elk food. Aspen is the dominant leafy tree at higher altitudes of the Rocky Mountain West, but in Yellowstone the aspen population declined for decades from 4-6 percent of coverage in its natural area (the north range) during the 1940s and down to less than 1 percent in 2010.
But with the reintroduction of wolves, the elk population has gone down significantly — from almost 20,000 in 1995 to around 7,500 in the latest estimates — and during that time scientists have documented a Yellowstone aspen comeback. That’s part of a larger picture of restoring balance to the ecosystem.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing!I hate wolves and I hate grizzlies. Not so much for what they are but for how they’re treated once established populations exist. Let them be managed.
I learned all I needed to learn once the leftists put a stop to the grizzly hunt. I don’t care they’re allowed to exist, I do care that they are allowed to go unchecked.
This is coming from a guy that lives in IN but travels out West a few times every fall to do some hunting. I am far from any type of expert and I’ve never seen a wolf in the wild. The only grizzly I’ve ever seen was in Yellowstone.
When researching outfitters I have seen many starting to market themselves as “no wolves or grizzlies here.” Not sure this is even relevant to bring up but it popped into my mind.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing!
At this point may as well go the way of the Mormon and go missionary.doggy style +wolfy style ?
I have lived, ranched and hunted in eastern Oregon my whole life and I can assure you OR has less elk that it did in 2012, ODFW is full of chit like always. and they're cutting tags as well because success is dropping. figures don't lie but liars can figure.Oregon? You mean the state that had ~120k elk before wolves were reestablished but has ~130k elk today?
https://www.dfw.state.or.us/wildlife/management_plans/docs/ElkPlanfinal.pdf
Big game population survey data | Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife
See the latest and historic data on big game population surveys from 2012 to present.myodfw.com
So, non-native like this variety of Wolf they are reintroducing? Also, the wolf didn't adapt and it did die...so both your points pretty much suck.Adapt or die. Get rid of those non native moose and mt goats anyhow. Good riddance!
Define "huntable"? To keep with the Colorado theme...that is like saying that the Broncos will still be playing football after the 2015 superbowl and Peyton's retirement. Yes, they still technically play some form of football, but it isn't like 2015. Having a "huntable" population shouldn't be the goal; having a thriving population is the goal. Wolves will certainly have a negative impact where they spread. I would take the over on a 15% reduction of ungulates in areas with a steady wolf pack.I will bet anybody $10,000 that despite wolves being reintroduced in CO, CO will still have huntable populations of all the same big game species in 2033 as it did in 2023.
So, non-native like this variety of Wolf they are reintroducing? Also, the wolf didn't adapt and it did die...so both your points pretty much suck.
Seeing as states without wolves have seen greater than 15% reductions in deer/pronghorn/elk due to weather/drought conditions, before I'd entertain that idea you are gonna have to show data that proves wolves are directly the cause of a 15% or greater reduction in ungulates. Which given the number of variables in the regression analysis, good friggin luck finding that proof.Wolves will certainly have a negative impact where they spread. I would take the over on a 15% reduction of ungulates in areas with a steady wolf pack.
Wolves are an additive solution to climate change. Less ungulates and more beaver just to start. Just like the yellow stone cutthroat. True success stories with sound proof. WAFJ....Seeing as states without wolves have seen greater than 15% reductions in deer/pronghorn/elk due to weather/drought conditions, before I'd entertain that idea you are gonna have to show data that proves wolves are directly the cause of a 15% or greater reduction in ungulates. Which given the number of variables in the regression analysis, good friggin luck finding that proof.
You can like hunting wolves and think it is worth having them around.Seeing as states without wolves have seen greater than 15% reductions in deer/pronghorn/elk due to weather/drought conditions, before I'd entertain that idea you are gonna have to show data that proves wolves are directly the cause of a 15% or greater reduction in ungulates. Which given the number of variables in the regression analysis, good friggin luck finding that proof.
You can like hunting wolves and think it is worth having them around.
That is your right to a opinion
But to say the wolves are not going to do significant damage to a already hurting resource (deer) and to think they will not do significant damage to elk population is not common sense.
Wolves need to eat and they prefer big game over small game. A rabbit will not even feed one wolf why would they waste energy on a morsal of food when they can have a smorgasbord of food
It is like what Bigwiffy days why eat at McDonald's when you can go to Chuck A Rama all you can eat for close to the same $$
Man has became the APEX predator if you bring in another APEX predator one will have to have less, and in a state like what Colorado is turning into man is going to be shorted for wolves.
Spoken like a true FED.....
It's been proven once they kill livestock they come back for more. this is especially true for singles and pairs, it's a lot easier to catch a calf than elk.
We have 4 kills here lately but as soon as they cross the hiway F&W has a shoot to kill order on them. they're dead wolves walking. you'll be doing the same .
Sadly, you are wrong about that. It’s what people don’t seem to understand.We have 4 kills here lately but as soon as they cross the hiway F&W has a shoot to kill order on them. they're dead wolves walking. you'll be doing the same .
This is hilarious. mtmuleyIt’s been said, by wiser than I……. coyotes, cougars, and wolves come to die in Utah.
Conflicts for sure and I hope they get shot by the ranchers. If the habitat isn’t suitable they will move on. Maybe they like cocaine and will migrate to aspenI don’t understand releasing wolves in Summit County, although Summit County voted in favor of wolves. The county is highly populated with little open space for the predator. Seems like inevitable conflicts with livestock.
Says the Californian. mtmuleyThe only good wolf is a dead one. PERIOD
I don’t understand releasing wolves in Summit County, although Summit County voted in favor of wolves. The county is highly populated with little open space for the predator. Seems like inevitable conflicts with livestock.
Mine has a hood on it.
and you too johnnyspank