Gender BS

[2lumpy]

What’s disgusting is you don’t want the abortion but then are not willing to take care of the baby. So it suffers a life. Better a quick death than a life of suffering.

Sorry SS! Boomers like me have taken care of lots of babies, and we’re obvious not opposed to taking care of more…… but if we had our druthers, we’d rather we each take care of our own and not have to rescue those who choose poorly to begin with.

If you told a client to not wonder off by himself but he goes ahead and does it anyway, and you have to expend time, energy and treasure to go gather him up and get him home safely, you would not be happy about it……. But you do it anyway. Cuz that’s the kinda guy you are.

 

[eelgrass]

Too bad unborn children can't hold up a sign that says "My Body My Choice"

 

[JB1975]

Do people here acknowledge there may be different beliefs on when "life" begins?

Some people believe it's when the sperm fertilizes the egg, even if it's not implanted in the mother yet. Some people believe it's at implantation.

Some people believe it's at heartbeat. (The definition of "heartbeat" is even disputed by some in the medical field as to whether it is the flutter of cells that will eventually become a heart or whether it requires the formation of chambers and/or a rhythm to be considered a heartbeat.)

Some people consider life at viability and some consider it later than that.

Some people consider embryonic stem cells grown in a petri dish ("peach tree dish" to MTG) to be life and others don't.

My question is whether you think there's room for discussion there or if there's only one right answer (yours?) and anybody who thinks differently is wrong?

Can of worms opened. Lol. Great discussion though.

 

[257Tony]

You’re not on the hook for their choice. You’re on the hook for your choice to force them to keep the child.

Why do I have to not only be okay with them killing an unborn child, but I have to pay for their abortion also?

 

[Tikka]

I think a better solution would be sterilization…

 

[SS!]

Why do I have to not only be okay with them killing an unborn child, but I have to pay for their abortion also?

Because it’s none of your business. As for paying for their abortion I will agree with you on that. But the govt is saving lots of money paying for them.

 

[Bluehair]

I share Howard Stern’s opinion on abortion.

Access to abortion would be COMPLETELY different if it were men who bore and raised the children. I have no doubt you‘d be able to get an abortion on every corner.

 

[grizzly]

Why do I have to not only be okay with them killing an unborn child, but I have to pay for their abortion also?

Because it’s none of your business. As for paying for their abortion I will agree with you on that. But the govt is saving lots of money paying for them.

Federal law prevents federal dollars from being spent on abortion. It's called the Hyde Amendment.

Some states pay for abortions under Medicaid, but most do not. So it depends on where you live as to whether that is applicable to you. A strict constructionist would be okay with a state choosing to pay under the 10th Amendment.

 

[SS!]

Federal law prevents federal dollars from being spent on abortion. It's called the Hyde Amendment.

Some states pay for abortions under Medicaid, but most do not. So it depends on where you live as to whether that is applicable to you. A strict constructionist would be okay with a state choosing to pay under the 10th Amendment.

Damn I kinda remember reading that before. Thanks!

 

[grizzly]

Can of worms opened. Lol. Great discussion though.

We'll see.

It's a lot easier to think of somebody as a baby killer than it is to actually delve into the nitty gritty of life and morality. It's even harder if a person strictly follows the 1st Amendment and leaves religion out of the discussion. Almost always a discussion on abortion leads back to religiosity.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

 

[Homer]

Federal law prevents federal dollars from being spent on abortion. It's called the Hyde Amendment.

Some states pay for abortions under Medicaid, but most do not. So it depends on where you live as to whether that is applicable to you. A strict constructionist would be okay with a state choosing to pay under the 10th Amendment.

How much money does the federal government give to planned parenthood per year??

 

[Homer]

I believe people have different ideas on when life begins.....I also believe that those that deny it starts at conception are wrong

 

[Homer]

convenient editing on your tag line....

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

 

[SS!]

How much money does the federal government give to planned parenthood per year??

Put your big boy pants on Gomer and look it up. You can do it boomer!

 

[Homer]

Put your big boy pants on Gomer and look it up. You can do it boomer!

$530,000,000........I know how much....and I'm sure they only spend it on the other stuff they do....right?

 

[SS!]

$530,000,000........I know how much....and I'm sure they only spend it on the other stuff they do....right?

I figured you did, I was just too lazy to look it up.

 

[JB1975]

$530,000,000........I know how much....and I'm sure they only spend it on the other stuff they do....right?

Most likely hookers and cocaine. But that’s none of my business.

 

[Bluehair]

Most likely hookers and cocaine. But that’s none of my business.

I wanna see those hookers…..that’s a chunk of change. I would have never guessed that high.

 

[roadrunner]

Guns are the leading cause of death for kids in the US. and you don't give a FF so don't lecture me.


Kids aren't aborted stop that lame BS. if you ever preg checked a cow you'd understand how life begins . you bible thumpers make it sound like they're in there playing with their X box until the big day comes.

You saying no girls died from home abortions and hack shops before Roe was passed californian ? that's a large part of why real republicans helped with making abortion legal. they were about something more than an agenda.

This is hilarious. Being lectured by the king of cluelessness and your little lap dog BuzzH thinks your just soooo cool...

 

[Bluehair]

This is hilarious. Being lectured by the king of cluelessness and your little lap dog BuzzH thinks your just soooo cool...

From one of the only guys with a pa in his sig. Ray Charles can see your insecurity.

 

[roadrunner]

It's the start of a life. it can still be sluffed and if the mother dies it dies. you really need some basic understanding of biology if you're going to tell others what they can do with their body.

Logic is not your strength, is it. If the mother is alone and single and she dies, so does the 6 week old...

 

[Togwotee]

You're the last one to be critiquing someone's logic. the 6 week old can be fed and taken care of by anyone . try that with a fetus.

You can scream all you want but no matter what happens with Roe abortion will continue . women will learn fast enough they have rights if they have the money to travel to a free state that sees them as more than brood mares.

 

[Captain_coues]

I can’t get over the numbers. I guess the 100 million more people we would have doesn’t scare anyone. I’m sure 20 million or more would be in the southwest since some of the fastest growing is out here. Imagine how low Lake Mead and Powell would be now all those people out here.

 

[JPickett]

I can’t get over the numbers. I guess the 100 million more people we would have doesn’t scare anyone. I’m sure 20 million or more would be in the southwest since some of the fastest growing is out here. Imagine how low Lake Mead and Powell would be now all those people out here.

Interesting that’s what shocks you and not the freaking genocide that 60 million babies being killed is.

I hope one day history looks back on this time in American history with the shock and disgust it truly deserves. A country that can kill that many babies and have a portion of the population rabidly advocate for the continued slaughter is truly disgraceful

 

[treedagain]

Lots of opinions on this one.

 

[Homer]

Lots of opinions on this one.

just two....

 

[treedagain]

just two....

Not really, both sides have variations that swing widely.
Not cut and dried at all

 

[SS!]

If abortion is so bad why did god give us the tools to make it possible?

 

[Homer]

Not really, both sides have variations to swing widely.

only two results...what else matters?

 

[JPickett]

just two....

It’s really a waste of time to argue this with someone and I typically just don’t. The two stances are, you believe in killing babies and I do not. Some one who would kill a baby’s or advocate for killing a baby’s really isn’t worth my time talking to. Their obviously morally corrupt and I’m not going to change that

 

[JPickett]

If abortion is so bad why did god give us the tools to make it possible?

So school shooting are ok then

 

[2lumpy]

Not really, both sides have variations that swing widely.
Not cut and dried at all

For me…… it’s dried carbon fiber.

 

[Homer]

If abortion is so bad why did god give us the tools to make it possible?

to hang shirts on??

 

[SS!]

to hang shirts on??

??????

 

[SS!]

So school shooting are ok then

Why do you think school shootings are ok?

 

[JPickett]

Why do you think school shootings are ok?

Just using your logic. God gave us the tools right?

 

[2lumpy]

If abortion is so bad why did god give us the tools to make it possible?

Same reason He gave you the tools to kill, but then if you have a gun or a knife you seem to believe it has to be used on innocent people, or God wouldn’t have provided it. I don’t. He gives the knowledge, you get to choose to do what to do or not do, with it. He’s the source for everything……… we decide what we’ll do with it. Government and societal mores make rules, you obey or you pay.

Therein lies the current problem in our civilization……. and we are paying, and will continue to pay, if we keep believing we can deft gravity.

 

[RookieWYhntr]

For a bunch of trophy hunters...y'all love killing little babies. Just saying...

 

[RookieWYhntr]

I share Howard Stern’s opinion on abortion.

Access to abortion would be COMPLETELY different if it were men who bore and raised the children. I have no doubt you‘d be able to get an abortion on every corner.

He is right. For weak men like him.

 

[notdonhunting]

Same reason He gave you the tools to kill, but then if you have a gun or a knife you seem to believe it has to be used on innocent people, or God wouldn’t have provided it. I don’t. He gives the knowledge, you get to choose to do what to do or not do, with it. He’s the source for everything……… we decide what we’ll do with it. Government and societal mores make rules, you obey or you pay.

Therein lies the current problem in our civilization……. and we are paying, and will continue to pay, if we keep believing we can deft gravity.

All the debates we have about the evil in this country I believe is answered with that last paragraph.
Thanks lumpy.

 

[Wyo300]

Johnson and Johnson should get the patent on these shirts so the government can push for people to start buying them.

 

[Bluehair]

He is right. For weak men like him.

You are naive about the world you live in.

 

[Captain_coues]

So are you saying it’s a free will type thing? I agree with that. Kind of like if you don’t want abortion, don’t get one. Makes sense to me. See, we have agreement in there somewhere.

Same reason He gave you the tools to kill, but then if you have a gun or a knife you seem to believe it has to be used on innocent people, or God wouldn’t have provided it. I don’t. He gives the knowledge, you get to choose to do what to do or not do, with it. He’s the source for everything……… we decide what we’ll do with it. Government and societal mores make rules, you obey or you pay.

Therein lies the current problem in our civilization……. and we are paying, and will continue to pay, if we keep believing we can deft gravity.

 

[JPickett]

So are you saying it’s a free will type thing? I agree with that. Kind of like if you don’t want abortion, don’t get one. Makes sense to me. See, we have agreement in there somewhere.

Nah let’s just ask the baby if they want to be aborted

 

[Bluehair]

Nah let’s just ask the baby if they want to be aborted

Maybe MTG can draft some legislation requiring they sign a consent form.

I assume she has someone on staff who can write.

 

[RookieWYhntr]

You are naive about the world you live in.

Not really. There are strong and weak men. I'm sure you belong to the strong men category, right?

 

[Bluehair]

Weak men think that men control the political and religious institutions?

WTF are you even talking about?

 

[EVILNR]

"The Life is in the Blood"
Heartbeats @ 14 days.
All I need to know.

 

[HuntinAddict]

Maybe MTG can draft some legislation requiring they sign a consent form.

I assume she has someone on staff who can write.

That is A Lot to assume my friend

 

[grizzly]

Maybe MTG can draft some legislation requiring they sign a consent form.

I assume she has someone on staff who can write.

I'm not so sure. Anybody who thinks Bill Gates is going to make us eat meat grown in a "peach tree dish" isn't bright enough to even be aware she can't write.

She recently hired a guy that resigned from Breitbart for making pro-pedophilia comments and she runs around with Matt Gaetz, who is literally under investigation for trafficking a minor. All while telling us about the dangers she read on a forum about Q-Anon. She's a buffoon.

 

[grizzly]

"The Life is in the Blood"
Heartbeats @ 14 days.
All I need to know.

This goes back to my post above that different people have different ideas about when life begins. The medical community can't even agree on a heartbeat, though I can't find any legitimate source that puts it at 14 days after conception.

See various sources below...

But what exactly do we mean when we talk about a "fetal heartbeat" at six weeks of pregnancy? Although some people might picture a heart-shaped organ beating inside a fetus, this is not the case.

Rather, at six weeks of pregnancy, an ultrasound can detect "a little flutter in the area that will become the future heart of the baby," said Dr. Saima Aftab, medical director of the Fetal Care Center at Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami. This flutter happens because the group of cells that will become the future "pacemaker" of the heart gain the capacity to fire electrical signals, she said.

It's been only in the last few decades that doctors have even been able to detect this flutter at six weeks, thanks to the use of more-sophisticated ultrasound technologies, Aftab said. Previously, the technology wasn't advanced enough to detect the flutter that early on in pregnancy.

The heart still has a lot of development to undergo before it is fully formed. Indeed, the entire first trimester of pregnancy is a time of "organogenesis," or the formation of organs, Aftab said.

After the detection of the flutter at six weeks, the heart muscle continues to develop over the next four to six weeks, undergoing the folding and bending that needs to happen for the heart to take its final shape, Aftab said.

"A lot of the heart development is still ongoing" during the first trimester, she said.

Is a 'fetal heartbeat' really a heartbeat at 6 weeks?

What exactly do we mean when we talk about a "fetal heartbeat" at six weeks of pregnancy?

www.livescience.com

The embryo can move its back and neck. Usually, heartbeat can be detected by vaginal ultrasound somewhere between 6 ½ - 7 weeks. The heartbeat may have started around six weeks, although some sources place it even earlier, at around 3 - 4 weeks after conception.

When Does Life Begin?

Can we define when human life begins? At conception? At the embryonic or the fetal stage? The issue, which is at the heart of abortion debates, is far from obvious.

www.npr.org

When does a fetus have a heartbeat? Timing and more

The heart of a fetus starts beating in the fifth week of pregnancy, and it may be detectable on a transvaginal scan. Learn about the timing, methods, and more.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[2lumpy]

So are you saying it’s a free will type thing? I agree with that. Kind of like if you don’t want abortion, don’t get one. Makes sense to me. See, we have agreement in there somewhere.

That’s exactly what I’m saying.

It is free will, so far as God is concerned. God makes the clothes hanger possible, we have the freedom to hang clothes on it or kill a child with it.

See……… same as gravity. Gravity keeps you “grounded” but if you choose to step off the Golden Gate Bridge there’s a 95/100 you’ll die.

Civilizations, going back through recorded history have metaphorically believed they could step off the bridge and survive. Metaphorically our civilization has been stepping off the bridge and it’s people have been asking each other and God, “why is this happening”. And the plan and simple answer is “people keep choose to step off the bridge”. Metaphorically there is a 5/100 chance our civilization “can” survive if we keep stepping off.

And………. To quote Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, if you have, “ an IQ over a garden root vegetable” you understand how gravity works. I say, if you know how gravity works, you know how free agency works, and if you know how free agency works, you know why our civilization (our American way of life) is crumbling. You know why people are choosing to kill their unborn children, kill each other, engaging in mass killings, committing suicide, etc. all at an accelerating rate. The free agency choices they make are getting us killed. To fix it, we/they have to change their choices……… getting rid of the clothes hangers, the knives, the clubs and the fire arms isn’t going to stop the use of free agency.

You can teach cause and effect, action and reach, love and hate, right and wrong but you can also teach wrong is right, there is no reaction to an action, there is no effect to a cause. If you’ve been watching you know we’ve been teaching wrong is right for 60 years and now we’re asking, why are people acting so crazy?

Do you ask, “why did that person fall when they stepped off the cliff”? Course you don’t.

 

[Bluehair]

That’s exactly what I’m saying.

It is free will, so far as God is concerned. God makes the clothes hanger possible, we have the freedom to hang clothes on it or kill a child with it.

See……… same as gravity. Gravity keeps you “grounded” but if you choose to step off the Golden Gate Bridge there’s a 95/100 you’ll die.

Civilizations, going back through recorded history have metaphorically believed they could step off the bridge and survive. Metaphorically our civilization has been stepping off the bridge and it’s people have been asking each other and God, “why is this happening”. And the plan and simple answer is “people keep choose to step off the bridge”. Metaphorically there is a 5/100 chance our civilization “can” survive if we keep stepping off.

And………. To quote Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, if you have, “ an IQ over a garden root vegetable” you understand how gravity works. I say, if you know how gravity works, you know how free agency works, and if you know how free agency works, you know why our civilization (our American way of life) is crumbling. You know why people are choosing to kill their unborn children, kill each other, engaging in mass killings, committing suicide, etc. all at an accelerating rate. The free agency choices they make are getting us killed. To fix it, we/they have to change their choices……… getting rid of the clothes hangers, the knives, the clubs and the fire arms isn’t going to stop the use of free agency.

You can teach cause and effect, action and reach, love and hate, right and wrong but you can also teach wrong is right, there is no reaction to an action, there is no effect to a cause. If you’ve been watching you know we’ve been teaching wrong is right for 60 years and now we’re asking, why are people acting so crazy?

Do you ask, “why did that person fall when they stepped off the cliff”? Course you don’t.

Do you really believe we are anywhere near the apex of human mortality rates? I don’t…..but I’m too lazy and apathetic to prove myself right.

Enough with this nonsense…..I’m off to kill quakies.

 

[wilhille]

If life begins at conception can someone get a pay out for miscarriages? Will the life insurance companies allow one to put their fetus on their plan the day of a positive pregnancy test? If not, why?

 

[JPickett]

when do you guys think the Idaho draw results will be up?

 

[SS!]

when do you guys think the Idaho draw results will be up?

3,025 abortions from now

 

[JB1975]

3,025 abortions from now

Early or late term?

 

[SS!]

Early or late term?

Same same

 

[2lumpy]

Do you really believe we are anywhere near the apex of human mortality rates? I don’t…..but I’m too lazy and apathetic to prove myself right.

Enough with this nonsense…..I’m off to kill quakies.

No, not yet at the apex. If I inferred that I apologize. No need to prove it to me.

I do believe if we continue to teach what we are teaching, and reacting to those actions, we’ll get there, but not necessarily tomorrow. But you and I both know, there is a tipping point.

What are you doing with the quakies……. in these parts we’re killing everything but the aspens. Our mule deer are starving to death, on our summer range. Check it out with our management free agents.

Have a great day blue.

 

[wetmule]

Diverting back to gender. What if you're hetero having sex with a gender-fluid person and they change their mind during the act... does that make you gay?

 

[2lumpy]

Diverting back to gender. What if you're hetero having sex with a gender-fluid person and they change their mind during the act... does that make you gay?

No…… but it could mean you’re a lousy lover.

 

[eelgrass]

Do you really believe we are anywhere near the apex of human mortality rates? I don’t…..but I’m too lazy and apathetic to prove myself right.

Enough with this nonsense…..I’m off to kill quakies.

Hit the ball in the fairway and you won't kill any quakies.

 

[grizzly]

Diverting back to gender. What if you're hetero having sex with a gender-fluid person and they change their mind during the act... does that make you gay?

It would make SS straight ??

 

[Homer]

Diverting back to gender. What if you're hetero having sex with a gender-fluid person and they change their mind during the act... does that make you gay?

depends on what they change their mind about....it could land you in jail....

 

[JB1975]

This is from Reddit but I thought fitting for the religion vs abortion debate taking place here.

 

[JPickett]

Really funny that people equate religion with being a requirement to be against killing babies. You telling me that if your agnostic you’d just go ahead and boot stomp a baby cuz “ hey no religion!”

Guess maybe I’m just different but I can’t see a scenario where I’d just kill a baby and brush it off regardless of my theology

 

[SS!]

This is from Reddit but I thought fitting for the religion vs abortion debate taking place here.

View attachment 78376

Damn me promoting abortions is doing gods work!

Pastor SS!

Not let’s go slam some pregnant women into door knobs!

 

[Homer]

Murdering unborn babies is certainly a one way street.....if you were driving your pregnant girlfriend to planned parenthood in Cali to kill your baby....and halfway there she mouthed off one too many times....and you pulled over and beat her to death......you'd be charged with 2 murders.....explain that to me

 

[JB1975]

Murdering unborn babies is certainly a one way street.....if you were driving your pregnant girlfriend to planned parenthood in Cali to kill your baby....and halfway there she mouthed off one too many times....and you pulled over and beat her to death......you'd be charged with 2 murders.....explain that to me

One more reason to avoid Cali…?

 

[JPickett]

It would make SS straight ??

As long as there’s not a box spring so he can get up on the bed without a boost I don’t think it matters to SS what team he’s batting for up there

 

[SS!]

As long as there’s not a box spring so he can get up on the bed without a boost I don’t think it matters to SS what team he’s batting for up there

Meh who cares what team anyone “bats” for? As long as they have the right to abortions who cares?

 

[JPickett]

Meh who cares what team anyone “bats” for? As long as they have the right to abortions who cares?

Oh that’s right. I forgot, dumb me. Men can get abortions now! Would ya look at that. Thread came around full circle. Good work everybody

 

[huntin50]

Not saying that at all as nothing I said necessarily represented my personal opinions. I've also been clear that I'm not going to get into an abortion discussion on MM. I'm just playing devil's advocate on a site that desperately needs to consider viewpoints other than those of the majority.

On the scale of socialism to libertarianism, rules that prevent abortion are much more on the side of "bigger government" than "smaller government."

Admittedly, we, as a society, have decided that some laws are necessary to prevent anarchy, but that doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile exercise to consider ones own preconceived notions on occasion and extrapolate our ideals to a logical conclusion.

For example, one person says that an abortion ban is necessary to protect an unborn child. The other says that law is a violation of their right to control their own body.

One person says they should get to enter a place of business without being vaccinated. The other person says if a private business owner only wants customers that have followed some predetermined protocol, then that's his right as a business owner.

One person says Twitter should be forced to allow a certain person to use their platform. Another person says that if Twitter wants to exclude certain speech, then the government can't place a mandate on a private company on who can use their website.

(Imagine if a future law were to apply that same law to cable news... Fox News could be REQUIRED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to let Kamala Harris come on whenever she wanted to refute what was said by Hannity or Don Jr or any other conservative. They would be forced to let her even flat-out lie on their own channel and would not be allowed to ban her or AOC or anybody else. Clearly it's not the best idea for the government to mandate ANY speech to a private company, but there are millions of people who want that for Twitter just because they agree with what this specific banned person says. People need to think about things to the next logical level and consider the repercussions. That's all I was offering.)

PS. Here's a hint, often my points are merely written to be contrarian because I know many of the people here are proud to only get media from a few select sources that will only tell them what they want to hear. That's not wise or healthy.

Grizz you have some good points. It just that many of your Liberal TV news stations MSNBC and CNN, blatantly lie and cover up important news the could shape our future. Hunter Biden's black top. Trump Russian collusion, when Hilary bought and paid a fake deliberate investigation, etc.
It turns out Fox was more correct in their news reporting. Look at ratings the past couple years.

 

[grizzly]

Grizz you have some good points. It just that many of your Liberal TV news stations MSNBC and CNN, blatantly lie and cover up important news the could shape our future. Hunter Biden's black top. Trump Russian collusion, when Hilary bought and paid a fake deliberate investigation, etc.
It turns out Fox was more correct in their news reporting. Look at ratings the past couple years.

Agreed on all points.

The counterpoint is as simple as tonight's primetime programming. During the Watergate Hearings all the networks aired the hearings live; tonight the networks plus the cable news channels will air the hearings except Fox News. They're instead putting it on FBN which gets 1/30 the viewers of FNC (they even have Brett Baier and Martha McCallum hosting).

Of course, we're already aware of at least three FNC hosts that texted with the President's Chief of Staff during the insurrection attack so FNC may want to keep as many of their viewers in the dark as possible.

They can't possibly say the hearings are not newsworthy when they covered every single Trump rally last year live from front to back. This is certainly more newsworthy than Trump saying the same applause lines every night in random auditoriums in South Carolina or Pennsylvania.

Remember also that Fox CEO Lachlan Murdoch also said on camera that Fox is the "loyal opposition" to the Biden Administration. At least they got rid of the "Fair and Balanced" tagline.

No reasonable person could look at the quotes of the Fox CEO, the texts of the hosts, and even some hosts appearing on stage at rallies and think they're getting a complete picture of facts. There's nothing wrong with watching FNC, but when that's all somebody watches they're simply not informed.

Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly agrees, "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it’s reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen.”

 

[JPickett]

Agreed on all points.

The counterpoint is as simple as tonight's primetime programming. During the Watergate Hearings all the networks aired the hearings live; tonight the networks plus the cable news channels will air the hearings except Fox News. They're instead putting it on FBN which gets 1/30 the viewers of FNC (they even have Brett Baier and Martha McCallum hosting).

Of course, we're already aware of at least three FNC hosts that texted with the President's Chief of Staff during the insurrection attack so FNC may want to keep as many of their viewers in the dark as possible.

They can't possibly say the hearings are not newsworthy when they covered every single Trump rally last year live from front to back. This is certainly more newsworthy than Trump saying the same applause lines every night in random auditoriums in South Carolina or Pennsylvania.

Remember also that Fox CEO Lachlan Murdoch also said on camera that Fox is the "loyal opposition" to the Biden Administration. At least they got rid of the "Fair and Balanced" tagline.

No reasonable person could look at the quotes of the Fox CEO, the texts of the hosts, and even some hosts appearing on stage at rallies and think they're getting a complete picture of facts. There's nothing wrong with watching FNC, but when that's all somebody watches they're simply not informed.

Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly agrees, "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it’s reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen.”

your leaving out that the hearings refuse to address the fact that national guard was requested on the 4th by the president and the "comity" refuses to question congress (Pelosi) as to why they did not implement them. water gate was an investigation, this is a political witch hunt to detract from the current administrations failures and drive an agenda for the next election. not quite apples to apples

 

[grizzly]

your leaving out that the hearings refuse to address the fact that national guard was requested on the 4th by the president and the "comity" refuses to question congress (Pelosi) as to why they did not implement them. water gate was an investigation, this is a political witch hunt to detract from the current administrations failures and drive an agenda for the next election. not quite apples to apples

You can't possibly know what is going to happen before it happens. The fact that you've predetermined, before a hearing takes place, the content of the hearing that hasn't yet happened, shows very clearly that there is nothing that could be shown that could change your mind. You seem to be okay with that.

It appears you're the person Trump was referring to when he said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

 

[JB1975]

Agreed on all points.

The counterpoint is as simple as tonight's primetime programming. During the Watergate Hearings all the networks aired the hearings live; tonight the networks plus the cable news channels will air the hearings except Fox News. They're instead putting it on FBN which gets 1/30 the viewers of FNC (they even have Brett Baier and Martha McCallum hosting).

Of course, we're already aware of at least three FNC hosts that texted with the President's Chief of Staff during the insurrection attack so FNC may want to keep as many of their viewers in the dark as possible.

They can't possibly say the hearings are not newsworthy when they covered every single Trump rally last year live from front to back. This is certainly more newsworthy than Trump saying the same applause lines every night in random auditoriums in South Carolina or Pennsylvania.

Remember also that Fox CEO Lachlan Murdoch also said on camera that Fox is the "loyal opposition" to the Biden Administration. At least they got rid of the "Fair and Balanced" tagline.

No reasonable person could look at the quotes of the Fox CEO, the texts of the hosts, and even some hosts appearing on stage at rallies and think they're getting a complete picture of facts. There's nothing wrong with watching FNC, but when that's all somebody watches they're simply not informed.

Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly agrees, "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it’s reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen.”

I am a Republican. I consider myself pretty up on current events and somewhat of a news junky. I watch Fox and CNN as well as have both apps on my phone. The reason I watch both is to hear both sides of most stories. Both channels get things wrong or bury stories at times, however, I think Fox has a bit more of an open mind. CNN is like Tog. Blinded by their allegiance.
It would be great to have a totally independent, mainstream news source. That is nearly impossible due to every anchor having his/her own political beliefs and it being very difficult to not impose them in their delivery or interviews.
Folks that only watch/listen to one or the other are not doing themselves any justice in my opinion.

 

[JPickett]

You can't possibly know what is going to happen before it happens. The fact that you've predetermined, before a hearing takes place, the content of the hearing that hasn't yet happened, shows very clearly that there is nothing that could be shown that could change your mind. You seem to be okay with that.

It appears you're the person Trump was referring to when he said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

we putting money on it?

 

[RookieWYhntr]

It appears you're the person Trump was referring to when he said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

This to me is name calling. You should apologize.

 

[grizzly]

This to me is name calling. You should apologize.

I never intend to call people names. I said it based on the apparent posts reflecting that JP is an ardent Trump supporter and therefore wouldn't take the statement that he's Trump supporter, and would continue to be so, as a slight. It certainly wasn't intended to be.

I meant it in the same way that a person may call Bernie Sanders a liberal. That wouldn't be name calling, but a mere statement.

 

[JB1975]

Having feelings on an internet forum will never be good for anyone.

 

[RookieWYhntr]

Having feelings on an internet forum will never be good for anyone.

Thanks, Manny.

 

[RookieWYhntr]

I never intend to call people names. I said it based on the apparent posts reflecting that JP is an ardent Trump supporter and therefore wouldn't take the statement that he's Trump supporter, and would continue to be so, as a slight. It certainly wasn't intended to be.

I meant it in the same way that a person may call Bernie Sanders a liberal. That wouldn't be name calling, but a mere statement.

Just messing with ya mang. No need to explain yourself. JP is a dork btw...

 

[JPickett]

I never intend to call people names. I said it based on the apparent posts reflecting that JP is an ardent Trump supporter and therefore wouldn't take the statement that he's Trump supporter, and would continue to be so, as a slight. It certainly wasn't intended to be.

I meant it in the same way that a person may call Bernie Sanders a liberal. That wouldn't be name calling, but a mere statement.

like you to show me where i claimed my un dying support for Trump. or is that just a preconception your political disposition gives you? glass house there?

anyway, the fact is Pelosi has not been subpoenaed. that alone supports my statement as she would have been the one (or one of) the congressmen to mobilize the national guard the president requested. they didn't, then they accused him of coordinating an insurrection. like i said , watergate= investigation, jan 6th committee = witch hunt

 

[JB1975]

Thanks, Manny.

No problem, Tog.

 

[NeMont]

anyway, the fact is Pelosi has not been subpoenaed. that alone supports my statement as she would have been the one (or one of) the congressmen to mobilize the national guard the president requested. they didn't, then they accused him of coordinating an insurrection. like i said , watergate= investigation, jan 6th committee = witch hunt

Does Pelosi have the authority to mobilize the national guard? Here is a question that you should answer, who was Commander In Chief on Jan. 6th? Could the Speaker of the House move to mobilize any military unit without the consent of the President or if he was incapacitated, the Vice President?

There isn't a request for National Guard Troops to be ready to move that came from the Trump White House. Having been in the Military, I find it highly unlikely that a written confirmation of a request for anything that came from the CINC to the Pentagon was not made in triplicate. Trump made this up and you being a Trump supporter did your job and repeated it.

I don't really care because it won't matter to anyone what actually happened. Trumpers will never believe he lost and everyone else that hated Trump won't ever believe he didn't organize and lead an insurrection.

However at the very least we should be able to establish what the Chain of Command is and whether the Speaker of the House has authority to mobilize military units and issue orders, if that office does hold such power I would like to see where that power comes from.

Nemont

 

[notdonhunting]

My question. Have you ever heard of Congress having hearings during prime time ?
I thought prime time would be past theses Congress " Pepole" bed time or at the very least they would ne too drunk to be capable of holding any hearings.

 

[JPickett]

Does Pelosi have the authority to mobilize the national guard? Here is a question that you should answer, who was Commander In Chief on Jan. 6th? Could the Speaker of the House move to mobilize any military unit without the consent of the President or if he was incapacitated, the Vice President?

There isn't a request for National Guard Troops to be ready to move that came from the Trump White House. Having been in the Military, I find it highly unlikely that a written confirmation of a request for anything that came from the CINC to the Pentagon was not made in triplicate. Trump made this up and you being a Trump supporter did your job and repeated it.

I don't really care because it won't matter to anyone what actually happened. Trumpers will never believe he lost and everyone else that hated Trump won't ever believe he didn't organize and lead an insurrection.

However at the very least we should be able to establish what the Chain of Command is and whether the Speaker of the House has authority to mobilize military units and issue orders, if that office does hold such power I would like to see where that power comes from.

Nemont

guess we'll never know if they don't ask huh?

 

[NeMont]

Sure you can, use your brain and do some reading, Please show me where The Speaker of the House has authority to mobilize any military unit without the approval of the Command in Chief. If you can produce that piece of the Chain of Command structure in a written form I will delete my account and never post here.

There is no written record of Trump making a "request" or a "recommendation" to have 10,000 NG members ready for Jan 6th. The military requires written orders, they keep copies of everything, especially anything coming to them from the Commander In Chief. The White House keeps records of everything, especially orders giving from the CINC to the Pentagon. It never happened, Trump made it up. The Speaker of the House has no authority to activate any Military Unit without the consent and buy from the CINC. Those are all facts which require zero questions to be asked.

There are a million real questions that should be asked of a lot people, the chain of command isn't one of them.

Nemont

 

[JPickett]

you know that huh? still no one in the committee has asked so i wonder how

 

[Homer]

So…..it would be very easy for them to point that out tonight….I’ll watch for it….it would be the perfect time to make everyone that believes Trump gave them access to 10000 NG troops to look stupid

 

[2lumpy]

Better a quick death than a life of suffering.

They say…….. there’s a gentleman in Alaska that has disproven that theory. ?

 

[NeMont]

So…..it would be very easy for them to point that out tonight….I’ll watch for it….it would be the perfect time to make everyone that believes Trump gave them access to 10000 NG troops to look stupid

What makes you believe anyone in congress is competent, from either side?

Why doesn't Trump make this look like a "witch hunt" and just release his written orders to put Pelosi in charge of activating 10,000 NG troops? Goes both ways, doesn't?

Show me the paper trail or show me where the Speaker of the House has the authority to active a military unit. Neither exist.

Nemont

 

[NeMont]

you know that huh? still no one in the committee has asked so i wonder how

Again shut me up with facts. Show any time in American history the Speaker of the House held the authority to Activate any Military unit anywhere, any time. If you ca I will leave. You got a brain and a computer, shouldn't be too hard to research who is the Commander In Chief is and who holds the power to activate military units and issue commands. I will give you a hint, the Speaker isn't the decider but I doubt you give two sh!ts about facts.

2nd grade civics should have taught you about separation of powers contained in our Great Founding document.

Article 2

Section. 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

Nemont

 

[JPickett]

My question. Have you ever heard of Congress having hearings during prime time ?

This is all you need to understand there motivation

 

[JPickett]

Again shut me up with facts. Show any time in American history the Speaker of the House held the authority to Activate any Military unit anywhere, any time. If you ca I will leave. You got a brain and a computer, shouldn't be too hard to research who is the Commander In Chief is and who holds the power to activate military units and issue commands. I will give you a hint, the Speaker isn't the decider but I doubt you give two sh!ts about facts.

2nd grade civics should have taught you about separation of powers contained in our Great Founding document.


Nemont

It’s in the capital polices own records about the president offers the national guard. But no one is asking that I’m the comity

 

[JPickett]

You tell me know. Why would an “investigation “ not ask all the questions?

 

[wetmule]

Back to gender, I don't object

Women Allowed Topless In Pools In Germany For Gender Equality

A decision by the German city of Göttingen to be the country's first to allow topless swimming in its pools is attracting global attention.

www.forbes.com

 

[Togwotee]

Wow this conversation has hit all over the place. fags, abortion, insane conspiracy theories.

Alex, I'll take things MAGATS obsess on for $300 .

 

[Bluehair]

No, not yet at the apex. If I inferred that I apologize. No need to prove it to me.

I do believe if we continue to teach what we are teaching, and reacting to those actions, we’ll get there, but not necessarily tomorrow. But you and I both know, there is a tipping point.

What are you doing with the quakies……. in these parts we’re killing everything but the aspens. Our mule deer are starving to death, on our summer range. Check it out with our management free agents.

Have a great day blue.

Trying to restore my view of the cliffs. When we bought the place 13 years ago they were dog hair. Now they’re 30-40 feet tall and a solid 5” around. It’s like wrangling joints of 2” gasline, which is hard on an old man. I try to cut 100 a week.