Good Luck Everyone

[D_Hoyt]

Good luck to everyone in the Utah big game draws this year. I’m very glad that we only have to wait a few weeks rather than several months to get back our results in 2024.

If I were a betting man, I’d wager that I’ll strike out on limited entry elk with 22 points, but that I will draw a mountain goat permit with 20 points this year.

Good luck everyone!!!

 

[elkassassin]

Same To Ya D_Hoyt!

Don't Know Where You Put In For The Mountain Goat But The Numbers On The South Slope Have Sure Went Down In Recent Years!

 

[Shadow]

Quicker results are a double edge sword. Atleast before, we had more time to hold out hope, lol.

 

[HNTNFSH]

ANY CREDIT CARD HITS YET?

 

[elkassassin]

Who Was it A Few years Back That Just Knew He'd Drawed A Couple Tags & Was Pacing The Floor After Checking His CC?

Then He Found Out Later His Wife Had Used His CC For Some Victoria's Secrets Goods!

When I Asked Him If He Had Seen Any Of Them Goods Yet He Got Really PISSY!

ANY CREDIT CARD HITS YET?

 

[HNTNFSH]

Who Was it A Few years Back That Just Knew He'd Drawed A Couple Tags & Was Pacing The Floor After Checking His CC?

Then He Found Out Later His Wife Had Used His CC For Some Victoria's Secrets Goods!

When I Asked Him If He Had Seen Any Of Them Goods Yet He Got Really PISSY!

I remember that, but I cannot remember who it was, pretty funny

 

[elkassassin]

I Wanna Think it Was Wisz But Not Sure?

 

[WestTxHunter]

Who Was it A Few years Back That Just Knew He'd Drawed A Couple Tags & Was Pacing The Floor After Checking His CC?

Then He Found Out Later His Wife Had Used His CC For Some Victoria's Secrets Goods!

When I Asked Him If He Had Seen Any Of Them Goods Yet He Got Really PISSY!

You have to admit. That's funny.

 

[Betterluckythangood]

Same To Ya D_Hoyt!

Don't Know Where You Put In For The Mountain Goat But The Numbers On The South Slope Have Sure Went Down In Recent Years!

Do you attribute this to winterkill?

It is very disheartening that our goat herds are not growing by 5 to 15% every year resulting in two or three more tags each year.

 

[D_Hoyt]

Do you attribute this to winterkill?

It is very disheartening that our goat herds are not growing by 10 to 20% every year resulting in two or three more tags each year.

All the Uintah units lost 20-30% of the mountain goat population during the winter of all winters and hunters took too many nannies in 2023. So, DWR recommended cutting permits for 2024. I did put in for one of those units because I can be up there in 40 minutes from my house. There are still goats, but they are not as plentiful as they were a few years ago. I’m up for the challenge.

Goats don’t reproduce anywhere near as fast as deer and elk. That’s why shooting nannies is so discouraged.

 

[elkassassin]

The 22-23 Winter Didn't Help Things!

But They've Been Getting Over-Hunted For Several Years As Well!

Mountain Goat Management For The Last many Years Has Been Like A Double Edged Sword!

I Remember Back In The Day It Was Billies Only!

The Way It Should Have Always Been!

But I Also Remember When I Started Seeing Nannies With Longer Horns Than Alot Of The Billies!

To Average JOE BLOW Hunter That Hasn't Spent Some Time In The Backwoods Can't Tell A Billy From A Nanny!

Quite A Few Nannies Got Shot By Joe Blows That Thought They Were Shooting a Billy!

Quite A Few Nannies Were Left To ROT After Joe Blow Starts The Gutting Process & See's It's Not A Billy!

And Then Moves On To Shoot Another Goat!

When The DWR Made It An Either Sex Hunt I Had Mixed Emotions!

I Was Kinda Glad In A Way,Maybe Fewer Goats Would Be Wasted?

I Don't Like Hunting Females Of Any Species,They Are What Puts New Life On The Ground!

I Also Knew The Goats Would Get Over Hunted!

Goats Seem To Be A tough Animal!

I've Seen Many Of Them Winter At 8000'-9000' In Elevation & They could'of Moved Lower If They Needed to!

I've Seen The Numbers Getting Lower & Lower For Many Years Now Long Before the 22-23 Winter So They Can't Blame That Winter On The Goat Numbers Of Today!

Everybody/Every Hunter Wants A Billy!

The Last Several Years Here Where We Are Not Every Goat Hunter Could Find A Billy!

So Towards The End Of Their Hunt What Did Most Of Them Do Since It's A OIL Hunt?

Some Of Them Resorted To Shoot Nannies!

It's Legal!

I'm Not Mad At Them!

But Here The HELL We Are!

They Can Baffle Alot Of People With The 22-23 Winter Which Didn't Help Matters But There's A Little More To It Than That On The Mountain Goats!

Good Hunters Are Still Gonna Find Them A Billy But They're Also Gonna Earn Them With Way More Work Than It Once Was!

Do you attribute this to winterkill?

It is very disheartening that our goat herds are not growing by 10 to 20% every year resulting in two or three more tags each year.

 

[ElmerFudd]

Are we there yet? I think I have a chance!

 

[elkassassin]

Looks Like A Guaranteed Chance!

Are we there yet? I think I have a chance!

 

[D_Hoyt]

The 22-23 Winter Didn't Help Things!

But They've Been Getting Over-Hunted For Several Years As Well!

Mountain Goat Management For The Last many Years Has Been Like A Double Edged Sword!

I Remember Back In The Day It Was Billies Only!

The Way It Should Have Always Been!

But I Also Remember When I Started Seeing Nannies With Longer Horns Than Alot Of The Billies!

To Average JOE BLOW Hunter That Hasn't Spent Some Time In The Backwoods Can't Tell A Billy From A Nanny!

Quite A Few Nannies Got Shot By Joe Blows That Thought They Were Shooting a Billy!

Quite A Few Nannies Were Left To ROT After Joe Blow Starts The Gutting Process & See's It's Not A Billy!

And Then Moves On To Shoot Another Goat!

When The DWR Made It An Either Sex Hunt I Had Mixed Emotions!

I Was Kinda Glad In A Way,Maybe Fewer Goats Would Be Wasted?

I Don't Like Hunting Females Of Any Species,They Are What Puts New Life On The Ground!

I Also Knew The Goats Would Get Over Hunted!

Goats Seem To Be A tough Animal!

I've Seen Many Of Them Winter At 8000'-9000' In Elevation & They could'of Moved Lower If They Needed to!

I've Seen The Numbers Getting Lower & Lower For Many Years Now Long Before the 22-23 Winter So They Can't Blame That Winter On The Goat Numbers Of Today!

Everybody/Every Hunter Wants A Billy!

The Last Several Years Here Where We Are Not Every Goat Hunter Could Find A Billy!

So Towards The End Of Their Hunt What Did Most Of Them Do Since It's A OIL Hunt?

Some Of Them Resorted To Shoot Nannies!

It's Legal!

I'm Not Mad At Them!

But Here The HELL We Are!

They Can Baffle Alot Of People With The 22-23 Winter Which Didn't Help Matters But There's A Little More To It Than That On The Mountain Goats!

Good Hunters Are Still Gonna Find Them A Billy But They're Also Gonna Earn Them With Way More Work Than It Once Was!

You are correct that it is a lot more than a few nannies and one bad winter. Look at what happened on Willard Peak. I saw 200 goats on WP circa 2018 helping a friend get his 13 year old goat. Now, there might be 40. I figure I should burn my points soon while we still have goat to hunt in Utah.

 

[elkassassin]

I Remember Probably The Best Day Me & My Son Ever Had At Seeing Goats In One Day!

140+ In One Day!

That Ain't Gonna Happen Again!

 

[deadibob]

The 22-23 Winter Didn't Help Things!

But They've Been Getting Over-Hunted For Several Years As Well!

Mountain Goat Management For The Last many Years Has Been Like A Double Edged Sword!

I Remember Back In The Day It Was Billies Only!

The Way It Should Have Always Been!

But I Also Remember When I Started Seeing Nannies With Longer Horns Than Alot Of The Billies!

To Average JOE BLOW Hunter That Hasn't Spent Some Time In The Backwoods Can't Tell A Billy From A Nanny!

Quite A Few Nannies Got Shot By Joe Blows That Thought They Were Shooting a Billy!

Quite A Few Nannies Were Left To ROT After Joe Blow Starts The Gutting Process & See's It's Not A Billy!

And Then Moves On To Shoot Another Goat!

When The DWR Made It An Either Sex Hunt I Had Mixed Emotions!

I Was Kinda Glad In A Way,Maybe Fewer Goats Would Be Wasted?

I Don't Like Hunting Females Of Any Species,They Are What Puts New Life On The Ground!

I Also Knew The Goats Would Get Over Hunted!

Goats Seem To Be A tough Animal!

I've Seen Many Of Them Winter At 8000'-9000' In Elevation & They could'of Moved Lower If They Needed to!

I've Seen The Numbers Getting Lower & Lower For Many Years Now Long Before the 22-23 Winter So They Can't Blame That Winter On The Goat Numbers Of Today!

Everybody/Every Hunter Wants A Billy!

The Last Several Years Here Where We Are Not Every Goat Hunter Could Find A Billy!

So Towards The End Of Their Hunt What Did Most Of Them Do Since It's A OIL Hunt?

Some Of Them Resorted To Shoot Nannies!

It's Legal!

I'm Not Mad At Them!

But Here The HELL We Are!

They Can Baffle Alot Of People With The 22-23 Winter Which Didn't Help Matters But There's A Little More To It Than That On The Mountain Goats!

Good Hunters Are Still Gonna Find Them A Billy But They're Also Gonna Earn Them With Way More Work Than It Once Was!

If you don’t like hunting females of any species then you’ve never been on a good cougar hunt

 

[elkassassin]

EASY DOES THERE deadi!

I'd Bet Money Both Of Us Haven't Been Hunting Your Type Of Cougars In A While,A Long Damn While!

If you don’t like hunting females of any species then you’ve never been on a good cougar hunt

 

[deadibob]

EASY DOES THERE deadi!

I'd Bet Money Both Of Us Haven't Been Hunting Your Type Of Cougars In A While,A Long Damn While!

Yeah it’s been a long while but the campfire tales aren’t bad

 

[BradA]

Good luck everyone. Being a nr im sure I won’t have much to add in the success category

 

[jester]

Added a couple of C- notes to help my cause..

 

[elkassassin]

They'll Love You & You'll Never Draw!

Added a couple of C- notes to help my cause..

 

[3point]

All the Uintah units lost 20-30% of the mountain goat population during the winter of all winters and hunters took too many nannies in 2023. So, DWR recommended cutting permits for 2024. I did put in for one of those units because I can be up there in 40 minutes from my house. There are still goats, but they are not as plentiful as they were a few years ago. I’m up for the challenge.

Goats don’t reproduce anywhere near as fast as deer and elk. That’s why shooting nannies is so discouraged.

When I applied for Kamas 3 years ago they had 11 tags, this year I believe it’s one.

 

[slamdunk]

They'll Love You & You'll Never Draw!

We're getting closer on the Bison

 

[PleaseDear]

Bull Moose with my 1 point......



Ya never know.



Robb

 

[deadibob]

We're getting closer on the Bison

Didn’t they recommend cutting bison tags nearly in half this year?

 

[BrowningRage]

Good luck to you too Dillon.! I imagine the LE elk hunt you put in for must be a premium type hunt as there are some good tags out there you could get with that many points.? I hope you draw buddy!

 

[elkassassin]

I Think There Is Or There Is Gonna Be A Big Cut!

Last year On An Added Cow Hunt In The Book Cliffs There Wasn't One Hunter That Even Seen A Buffalo On That Hunt!

Last I Heard They Were Gonna Re-Issue Them Tags To Them Same Hunters?

I Don't Know For Sure What Happened On That?

But I Do Know This:

The Bison Numbers Have Been Dropping At A Perty Good Rate & We Add A Cow Hunt?

JFP!

Didn’t they recommend cutting bison tags nearly in half this year?

 

[JakeH]

I Think There Is Or There Is Gonna Be A Big Cut!

Last year On An Added Cow Hunt In The Book Cliffs There Wasn't One Hunter That Even Seen A Buffalo On That Hunt!

Last I Heard They Were Gonna Re-Issue Them Tags To Them Same Hunters?

I Don't Know For Sure What Happened On That?

But I Do Know This:

The Bison Numbers Have Been Dropping At A Perty Good Rate & We Add A Cow Hunt?

JFP!

I'm seeing Buffalo in places I never used to see them, maybe they are just expanding out further than they used to. Couple good herds over on the east side that never used to have any.

 

[elkassassin]

You're Apt To Find A Few Scattered Throughout The Book Cliffs!

But They Have Been Hit Hard The Last Few Years!

Hey JakeH?

Do You Know If The DWR Re-Issued The Tags For That Group Of Hunters Or Not?

I'm seeing Buffalo in places I never used to see them, maybe they are just expanding out further than they used to. Couple good herds over on the east side that never used to have any.

 

[JakeH]

You're Apt To Find A Few Scattered Throughout The Book Cliffs!

But They Have Been Hit Hard The Last Few Years!

Hey JakeH?

Do You Know If The DWR Re-Issued The Tags For That Group Of Hunters Or Not?

Yes I'm pretty sure they did, but they didn't issue new permits for that hunt this year.

They talked about it at one of the other RAC'S and that is what I gathered from watching it. Sounded like they likely would discontinue that hunt after this year but don't quote me on that.

 

[D_Hoyt]

When I applied for Kamas 3 years ago they had 11 tags, this year I believe it’s one.

I would not touch the Kamas. I know someone who had it last year, and they did harvest a goat.