Hunting ISN'T Important

All the non believers know a lot about religion. I’m learning about both. Interesting.
Most of us are open to learning about both sides to make an informed decision. You can see extremely well in this very small sampling that isn’t the case with some folks who are only open to seeing things one way. Blind faith is a good term.
 
You may be right. It doesn’t bother me one way or another if somebody believes in God, the spaghetti monster or nothing as long as they are not hurting somebody else in the process. To each their own. They say there are no atheists in fox holes. Who knows…
 
Carbon dating. What we know is from observation in a controlled laboratory environment, and, that first happened around 1950. In order for carbon dating results to replicate, the sample cannot be disturbed. Any outside influence of the sample will nullify the results from contamination. For an experiment to valid, the results must be able to be replicated.

In order for carbon dating to mean anything, you need to know the baseline of the parent element against the daughter element. If you don't know what that baseline is in its original amounts, you are merely speculating the results.

It only takes 3 weeks to form coal in a controlled environment reflective of a natural environment. It's not a multi-millenia event.

Fossilization requires a rapid depositional event to cover the speciman. Slow deposition rates allow for the complete decomposition of the specimen by scavengers and microorganisms. Fosslization does not take millions of years to do. "Fossils" have been discovered of items that date to the 1800's under the right circumstances. We know they are from the 1800's because you can see the same type of item in a museum and dinosaurs did in fact walk the planet at one time.

Mass amounts of fossilized specimens together all at one place can happen only one way. Let the eruption of Mt. St. Helens answer that question for you.
 
Apparently, God, Jesus, Peter and so on didn't like dividing or walking on water. So, God gave us global warming or climate change. Now, they can almost walk across Lake Mead, Powell and etc. He must have had an issue with mule deer and Gambel's quail also. This God guy must be a real fun-hater.
 
Apparently, God, Jesus, Peter and so on didn't like dividing or walking on water. So, God gave us global warming or climate change. Now, they can almost walk across Lake Mead, Powell and etc. He must have had an issue with mule deer and Gambel's quail also. This God guy must be a real fun-hater.
Don’t forget gods favorite president joe Biden
 
Non believers are always saying science "discredits" the Bible.
My Biology degree if anything, further cemented my belief in the Bible, Jesus and God.
The complexity of it all, and the perfection proved to me this existence is, in no way by accident. I've seen nothing that discredits the Bible. Not Carbon dating, fossils, young/old earth, evolution, nothing. Just because one does not understand, does not mean it's inaccurate.
It also opened my eyes to how little about Biology I actually know.
I dont have all the answers, and I have questions, but I have no doubt. Jesus is Lord and one day ALL will be revealed.
 
I just laugh at all the Jesus guys who blame Predators for lack of hunting opportunities. WTF JESUS. Why did you put two mountain lions, two wolves, two grizzly bears and two utards on some big fancy boat? Why Jesus why?
 
Non believers are always saying science "discredits" the Bible.
My Biology degree if anything, further cemented my belief in the Bible, Jesus and God.
The complexity of it all, and the perfection proved to me this existence is, in no way by accident. I've seen nothing that discredits the Bible. Not Carbon dating, fossils, young/old earth, evolution, nothing. Just because one does not understand, does not mean it's inaccurate.
It also opened my eyes to how little about Biology I actually know.
I dont have all the answers, and I have questions, but I have no doubt. Jesus is Lord and one day ALL will be revealed.
It is a tug of war from both sides. You have believers that don't believe in the existence of animals that their is fossilized proof they lived. I have a double major in biology and chemistry and I find that science has more of the answers then questions. Religion is faith based which is fine until you start discrediting science that has actual proof of some of its findings.
 
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Non believers are always saying science "discredits" the Bible.
My Biology degree if anything, further cemented my belief in the Bible, Jesus and God.
The complexity of it all, and the perfection proved to me this existence is, in no way by accident. I've seen nothing that discredits the Bible. Not Carbon dating, fossils, young/old earth, evolution, nothing. Just because one does not understand, does not mean it's inaccurate.
It also opened my eyes to how little about Biology I actually know.
I dont have all the answers, and I have questions, but I have no doubt. Jesus is Lord and one day ALL will be reveale
Biology degree? You wouldn’t happened to be in charge of the mule deer herds? If so please send a prayer!
 
I just laugh at all the Jesus guys who blame Predators for lack of hunting opportunities. WTF JESUS. Why did you put two mountain lions, two wolves, two grizzly bears and two utards on some big fancy boat? Why Jesus why?
Ok, Thats funny! I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there! Not my words but Larry the Cable Guy's. If you don't think that's funny, then just get -----------------. Thank God for Larry.
 
Ok if there’s an afterlife a few questions maybe the Jesus freaks can answer:

1). What are the living arrangements in the afterlife? I want a house at least equal to what I have now. I didn’t follow the rules on earth to downsize

2). Sanitation. Do spirits poop? With literally trillions of people in the after life how do they get rid of fecal matter? If spirits don’t poop does that means they do not eat? No bacon? How the **** do you call it heaven if there’s no bacon.

3) can you look down on the living? If that’s so it’s a little creepy. Does my grandma watch me rub one out to Taylor swift?

4). Will Taylor swift be in heaven?

5) if I live to old age is that the condition my spirit will be in? Literally with diabetes and worn out joints? Or do I get to pick an age?

6). do spirits have sex?

7) what’s the mode of transportation? Wings? Or Chevy trucks?

Thank god for taking the time for me to voice my concerns…
 
Pretty sure soldiers used to volunteer and fight for free? I'm also pretty sure farmers did work for trade and not monetary compensation. Religion has always centered around money or an individuals possessions in some form or another. Tell me do you believe in dinosaurs, carbon dating, or fossilized evidence that contradicts the bible?

Asking for a friend.......
My friend told me our conversation isn’t a genuine discussion and most likely a mutual gotcha game, cuz we got nothing more meaningful to do.

I think he’s right, like I agreed that you were right, previously.

Would you and your friend agree?

I’ll agree with you again, at least with part of what you’re pretty sure of. Some soldiers volunteer, some farmers trade, but the part you didn’t include is, not all did or do. You also said religion has “always” centered around money, or individual possessions. “Always” is rarely factual and isn’t factual in this case, anymore than your soldiers volunteer and fight for free, even though your pretty sure they do.

Do I believe in, “dinosaurs, carbon dating, or fossilized evidence that contradicts the bible?”

I don’t believe any of those things contradict the Bible.

I do believe in “dinosaurs, carbon dating, or fossilized evidence”?

I absolutely do, without any doubt, however I’m not sure they’ve completely finished refining the total accuracy of carbon dating, but I believe they’re working hard at making it better. I believe they will. That will be a good thing, won’t it. (Even if things prove to be older that carbon dating is currently dating carbon.). I’m most interested in accuracy.

And in as much as I believe in absolute truth, I also believe none of us know absolute truth, about much, if anything.

And………. none of us, including people of religion or a non-religion ideology such as atheist, agnostic, humanist, an anti-atheist etc etc. have the slightest idea what truths we “don’t” know and what we’ll learn tomorrow or a thousand years from now.

In my opinion, I’ve never met a single person that believes everything I believe. I’ve was taught to lessen and learn from as broad a spectrum as possible and sort out for myself what I believe and what I don’t, not what “just” someone else believes. I was also taught that just because some else believes it or doesn’t, that I should or shouldn’t believe it.

I believe the earth is old, very old, for now I’ll say give or take 4.3 billion years, (subject to change with new or improved science). I have absolute no problem with evolution, seems perfectly consistent with the Bible to me. (I don’t believe every word or phase in the Bible is literal, I believe there are hundreds if not thousands of metaphors or synonyms.)

I believe the Israelites including the Jews understood and recorded the most practical life style, able 3500 years ago, I believe Jesus Christ and his followers refined the beliefs of the Israelites around 2,000 years ago.

Do you prefer anarchy to Buddhism, Peyotism, Hinduism, Judaism, Communidm or Socialism? And why?

You can’t say none of the above because, “no man is an island”, you don’t live alone.

Atheism is an ism like any other ism. Sorry, that is the reality.

Why is your ism superior to the others and please share whatever evidence you have that it’s superior.

My friend said, he’s not interested in your answer but I am, if you don’t mind.
 
My friend told me our conversation isn’t a genuine discussion and most likely a mutual gotcha game, cuz we got nothing more meaningful to do.

I think he’s right, like I agreed that you were right, previously.

Would you and your friend agree?

I’ll agree with you again, at least with part of what you’re pretty sure of. Some soldiers volunteer, some farmers trade, but the part you didn’t include is, not all did or do. You also said religion has “always” centered around money, or individual possessions. “Always” is rarely factual and isn’t factual in this case, anymore than your soldiers volunteer and fight for free, even though your pretty sure they do.

Do I believe in, “dinosaurs, carbon dating, or fossilized evidence that contradicts the bible?”

I don’t believe any of those things contradict the Bible.

I do believe in “dinosaurs, carbon dating, or fossilized evidence”?

I absolutely do, without any doubt, however I’m not sure they’ve completely finished refining the total accuracy of carbon dating, but I believe they’re working hard at making it better. I believe they will. That will be a good thing, won’t it. (Even if things prove to be older that carbon dating is currently dating carbon.). I’m most interested in accuracy.

And in as much as I believe in absolute truth, I also believe none of us know absolute truth, about much, if anything.

And………. none of us, including people of religion or a non-religion ideology such as atheist, agnostic, humanist, an anti-atheist etc etc. have the slightest idea what truths we “don’t” know and what we’ll learn tomorrow or a thousand years from now.

In my opinion, I’ve never met a single person that believes everything I believe. I’ve was taught to lessen and learn from as broad a spectrum as possible and sort out for myself what I believe and what I don’t, not what “just” someone else believes. I was also taught that just because some else believes it or doesn’t, that I should or shouldn’t believe it.

I believe the earth is old, very old, for now I’ll say give or take 4.3 billion years, (subject to change with new or improved science). I have absolute no problem with evolution, seems perfectly consistent with the Bible to me. (I don’t believe every word or phase in the Bible is literal, I believe there are hundreds if not thousands of metaphors or synonyms.)

I believe the Israelites including the Jews understood and recorded the most practical life style, able 3500 years ago, I believe Jesus Christ and his followers refined the beliefs of the Israelites around 2,000 years ago.

Do you prefer anarchy to Buddhism, Peyotism, Hinduism, Judaism, Communidm or Socialism? And why?

You can’t say none of the above because, “no man is an island”, you don’t live alone.

Atheism is an ism like any other ism. Sorry, that is the reality.

Why is your ism superior to the others and please share whatever evidence you have that it’s superior.

My friend said, he’s not interested in your answer but I am, if you don’t mind.
Is “your friend” Jesus? Man up Jesus and make a username. MM’s is on the forefront of settling the jebus debate!
 
My friend told me our conversation isn’t a genuine discussion and most likely a mutual gotcha game, cuz we got nothing more meaningful to do.

I think he’s right, like I agreed that you were right, previously.

Would you and your friend agree?

I’ll agree with you again, at least with part of what you’re pretty sure of. Some soldiers volunteer, some farmers trade, but the part you didn’t include is, not all did or do. You also said religion has “always” centered around money, or individual possessions. “Always” is rarely factual and isn’t factual in this case, anymore than your soldiers volunteer and fight for free, even though your pretty sure they do.

Do I believe in, “dinosaurs, carbon dating, or fossilized evidence that contradicts the bible?”

I don’t believe any of those things contradict the Bible.

I do believe in “dinosaurs, carbon dating, or fossilized evidence”?

I absolutely do, without any doubt, however I’m not sure they’ve completely finished refining the total accuracy of carbon dating, but I believe they’re working hard at making it better. I believe they will. That will be a good thing, won’t it. (Even if things prove to be older that carbon dating is currently dating carbon.). I’m most interested in accuracy.

And in as much as I believe in absolute truth, I also believe none of us know absolute truth, about much, if anything.

And………. none of us, including people of religion or a non-religion ideology such as atheist, agnostic, humanist, an anti-atheist etc etc. have the slightest idea what truths we “don’t” know and what we’ll learn tomorrow or a thousand years from now.

In my opinion, I’ve never met a single person that believes everything I believe. I’ve was taught to lessen and learn from as broad a spectrum as possible and sort out for myself what I believe and what I don’t, not what “just” someone else believes. I was also taught that just because some else believes it or doesn’t, that I should or shouldn’t believe it.

I believe the earth is old, very old, for now I’ll say give or take 4.3 billion years, (subject to change with new or improved science). I have absolute no problem with evolution, seems perfectly consistent with the Bible to me. (I don’t believe every word or phase in the Bible is literal, I believe there are hundreds if not thousands of metaphors or synonyms.)

I believe the Israelites including the Jews understood and recorded the most practical life style, able 3500 years ago, I believe Jesus Christ and his followers refined the beliefs of the Israelites around 2,000 years ago.

Do you prefer anarchy to Buddhism, Peyotism, Hinduism, Judaism, Communidm or Socialism? And why?

You can’t say none of the above because, “no man is an island”, you don’t live alone.

Atheism is an ism like any other ism. Sorry, that is the reality.

Why is your ism superior to the others and please share whatever evidence you have that it’s superior.

My friend said, he’s not interested in your answer but I am, if you don’t mind.
I don't have an ism and I don't believe any of my beliefs are superior to others. I just question how some people choose to look at religion as an end all believe all and discredit anything that disagrees with it. A lot of religious people even some on this thread do not believe in evolution of any kind. I ask why, you can see how species have evolved and are still evolving. They also don't believe that the earth is more then a few thousand years old. You are correct nobody knows the "absolute truth", but to discredit science is foolish.
 
Is “your friend” Jesus? Man up Jesus and make a username. MM’s is on the forefront of settling the jebus debate!
There you go again, messing with me.

Nope. & No it’s not. Just pointless nonsense. It’s like that with disinterested participants.
 
I don't have an ism and I don't believe any of my beliefs are superior to others. I just question how some people choose to look at religion as an end all believe all and discredit anything that disagrees with it. A lot of religious people even some on this thread do not believe in evolution of any kind. I ask why, you can see how species have evolved and are still evolving. They also don't believe that the earth is more then a few thousand years old. You are correct nobody knows the "absolute truth", but to discredit science is foolish.
“but to discredit science is foolish.”

Of course it’s not, science discredits science everyday. That maybe an absolute truth. ?

You’re cool OHunter, I understand your mind set, what’s more I understand why you believe what you say, you believe.
 
I wasn't bashing just had some questions and observations. Your right some people need help with their life and rely on religion for that. Of course there is good and evil as that is human nature and not necessarily reflective of a God or not. I'm glad you mentioned money because I guarantee there would be a whole lot less churches and religion if money wasn't involved.
And that is exactly why I don't donate to churches. I give to people who need it. If I found a church that showed where the money went to help people in need, I would have zero problem giving them money. Religion, just like EVERYTHING else, has become intertwined with greed. You know, just like the Bible says it will. If you have ever really read the Bible, you would know it talks about everything that is happening in the world. Funny that they predicted that thousands of years ago......
 
And that is exactly why I don't donate to churches. I give to people who need it. If I found a church that showed where the money went to help people in need, I would have zero problem giving them money. Religion, just like EVERYTHING else, has become intertwined with greed. You know, just like the Bible says it will. If you have ever really read the Bible, you would know it talks about everything that is happening in the world. Funny that they predicted that thousands of years ago......
Not really……… human nature hasn’t changed since it was wrote, we should assume it would be predictable.

Just like the human action and reaction will be predictable today, as it will a thousand years from now. Same, same, same. Human nature is as predictable as the sun rising on time tomorrow.
 
Not really……… human nature hasn’t changed since it was wrote, we should assume it would be predictable.

Just like the human action and reaction will be predictable today, as it will a thousand years from now. Same, same, same. Human nature is as predictable as the sun rising on time tomorrow.
Except the parts it predicted were not happening then......
 
And that is exactly why I don't donate to churches. I give to people who need it. If I found a church that showed where the money went to help people in need, I would have zero problem giving them money. Religion, just like EVERYTHING else, has become intertwined with greed. You know, just like the Bible says it will. If you have ever really read the Bible, you would know it talks about everything that is happening in the world. Funny that they predicted that thousands of years ago......
As in prophets? Lol. Pretty sure that was misspelled in the bible and should have been profits.
 
Have you ever read the Bible? If not, I suggest you read from Book 2 of Timothy thru Revelations....
I have read most of it, albeit in my formidable years. I think I was 10-12 years old. But I have read quite a bit about it as well as other beliefs.
I mentioned it about 100 posts ago, but I would suggest anyone, believer or nonbeliever, to watch the documentary Religulous. He asks very pointed questions to many different religious scholars. Very few answers provided.
 
To sum this thread up:

Man 1: I have proof of God! Let me share it with you!

Man 2: You don't have any proof! Science proves there is no God!

Man 3: There's proof of God everywhere!

Man 4: You are bat poo crazy for believing in a God that you can't prove! You emotional weakling!

Man 5: It's just as bat poo crazy to believe everything came from nothing in a "big bang"! Science doesn't prove anything!

Man 6: You don't believe in dinosaurs; there is fossil evidence of dinosaurs; science proves I'm right!

And on and on and on ......


So how do we define "proof"? Here's a definition:
Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

So it's about establishing a fact or truth. Yah, good luck with coming up with a consensus on what is a fact or a truth, let alone what establishes it. We couldn't even prove OJ was guilty.

The reality is, mankind can "prove" very little, and as such, we all just choose what we want to believe in. We are having faith in something, even if it is nothing.


That being said, all I know is if I told you that the new truck in my garage wasn't built by someone, it just evolved from nothing, I'd be the first to call myself bat poo crazy. I'd rather be called bat poo crazy for claiming someone built it.
 
@coryb hey man just to let you know we’ve signed your phone number up for a lot of people that like to talk about god. Hope you’re ready. With god by your side anything is possible.
 
Faith

Faith, derived from Latin fides and Old French feid, is confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept. In the context of religion, one can define faith as "belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion".

It's a personal belief not so different than a person of no religious beliefs that takes faith based upon personal beliefs and rationalization that there is no God.
 
I'm pretty surprised some people actually hit the "post reply" button on some of these replies. Tells you way more about their character or lack thereof than the person who's beliefs they are mocking. Good to know kind of thing. Party on mofo's
 
There are 4,300 religions around the world including 2.38 billion Christians and 1.9 billion Muslims. Are all of the other religions totally wrong, and your beliefs, correct? You are taught at a young age what to believe mostly by your parents and family. I travelled a bit and some of the other religious folks are just as devout to their religion as we are to ours and look at us as the "crazy" ones. If you take a step back and look at the world in totality, who is right and who is wrong? Seems very myopic to only look at what you have been taught is right and rule out everything else. I'm not sure anyone has all the answers.

Rich
 
Pretty interesting how some are so anti religion. Cody just offered to inform others of his beliefs, nothing more. I find it more disrespectful to mock someone's religion as some did than it is to offer free information. Something to think about. God Bless you all and may we all pull some great tags on Wednesday!
 
@coryb hey man just to let you know we’ve signed your phone number up for a lot of people that like to talk about god. Hope you’re ready. With god by your side anything is possible.
He is ready !!! Cory is an amazing testimony to the Power of God. Those of you who have read each post in this thread saw him starting off with , God is real , He Radically changed my life, life is so much bigger than hunting , let's talk , please call me , I want to share the Good New of the Gospel as I can relate to so many out there who are doubters. I have personally witnessed what God did with this man , I know Cory , I Love Cory. Stand strong buddy .
 
Science and religion and their countless purported contradictions do in fact have a common ground. If you’re game, dig in on one some of my former professor’s works. Google: Ian Barbour. Fascinating and educational reads. I’m an overly-educated and highly skeptical hunter who has a deeply spiritual connection with all things and places wild. I don’t take anything anyone says for granted, but I’m convinced that my love and compassion for that which I hold near and dear is much more than just a chemical reaction. I’m a realist who has come to realize that we all have faith in something even if we can’t agree on what that ‘something’ is. Ancient and contemporary hunter cultures all share this common thread and it’s wrong to simply discard or refuse to acknowledge just that because of one’s stance on organized religion. We’re all spiritual and share this common thread of deep respect that binds us in different ways. There’s nothing wrong with interpreting it in our own fashions as at the end of the day, love, respect, and an appreciation for what we do is all that matters.

If you give thanks to an animal you’ve just killed or put your hand in the soil of a mountain you’re hunting as a form of respect and gratitude, you’re probably more spiritual than you’d care to believe.
 
He is ready !!! Cory is an amazing testimony to the Power of God. Those of you who have read each post in this thread saw him starting off with , God is real , He Radically changed my life, life is so much bigger than hunting , let's talk , please call me , I want to share the Good New of the Gospel as I can relate to so many out there who are doubters. I have personally witnessed what God did with this man , I know Cory , I Love Cory. Stand strong buddy .

I was wondering when you would chime in. I’m sure at times there was lot of temptation. This is one of those threads that gets your juices flowing, right?
 
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He is ready !!! Cory is an amazing testimony to the Power of God. Those of you who have read each post in this thread saw him starting off with , God is real , He Radically changed my life, life is so much bigger than hunting , let's talk , please call me , I want to share the Good New of the Gospel as I can relate to so many out there who are doubters. I have personally witnessed what God did with this man , I know Cory , I Love Cory. Stand strong buddy .
The born again Christians like you and Cory are the worst. What bad things did you do in life to find god later with the intent he’s going to forgive you for such sins?
 
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. — 1 Corinthians 1:18

You’re right SS, God does work in mysterious ways. My wife shares a verse with me most days that she receives from an online group. Above is the one she shared yesterday. God’s timing is perfect. Skeptics and mockers can see this as a coincidence. I don’t, simply because I have seen far too many coincidences for me to not believe they are from God.

I was a skeptic for 41 years. I have been saved for 1 year. I have first hand knowledge fresh in my mind of doubt, denial, and disbelief.

Sorry, but NO: drugs, jail, and Daddy issues did not cause my belief (or unbelief). Through God’s plan of free will I chose my beliefs. Through his Grace and mercy he never stopped calling me, and answering me.

Again, if anybody is interested in hearing some of my details please call me. If you will trust the recount of the events God used to reach me (this will require you have faith in my honesty), I know God can use my story to help reach some of you.

JB, SS, (or anybody else), call me if you would like to discuss this constructively. You both seem to have free time and an interest in the topic at hand.

Did you read my post above about binoculars?? There is substantial proof to support belief. Read “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis for solid evidence that we are wired to know about and yearn for God if you will. It provides insight about internal evidence for God. Read “Is Atheism Dead?” By Eric Metaxas for evidence supporting God in the scientific world.

Genuinely seek God’s input in your life and HE will answer. You simply need to hear and respond appropriately.
 
I was a skeptic for 41 years. I have been saved for 1 year. I have first hand knowledge fresh in my mind of doubt, denial, and disbelief.

How do you know you’re saved? Is it because you say so? 41 years of sinning is a long time and don’t you think you need to put in more than a year of work to claim saved status?

Sorry, but NO: drugs, jail, and Daddy issues did not cause my belief (or unbelief). Through God’s plan of free will I chose my beliefs. Through his Grace and mercy he never stopped calling me, and answering me.

What was the problem? Was it too much fornicating?
 
You’re right SS, God does work in mysterious ways. My wife shares a verse with me most days that she receives from an online group. Above is the one she shared yesterday. God’s timing is perfect. Skeptics and mockers can see this as a coincidence. I don’t, simply because I have seen far too many coincidences for me to not believe they are from God.

I was a skeptic for 41 years. I have been saved for 1 year. I have first hand knowledge fresh in my mind of doubt, denial, and disbelief.

Sorry, but NO: drugs, jail, and Daddy issues did not cause my belief (or unbelief). Through God’s plan of free will I chose my beliefs. Through his Grace and mercy he never stopped calling me, and answering me.

Again, if anybody is interested in hearing some of my details please call me. If you will trust the recount of the events God used to reach me (this will require you have faith in my honesty), I know God can use my story to help reach some of you.

JB, SS, (or anybody else), call me if you would like to discuss this constructively. You both seem to have free time and an interest in the topic at hand.

Did you read my post above about binoculars?? There is substantial proof to support belief. Read “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis for solid evidence that we are wired to know about and yearn for God if you will. It provides insight about internal evidence for God. Read “Is Atheism Dead?” By Eric Metaxas for evidence supporting God in the scientific world.

Genuinely seek God’s input in your life and HE will answer. You simply need to hear and respond appropriately.
You've been "saved" for one year? Wow. And you're getting on a hunting forum to try to sell your kool aid? Sounds like Christianity is going to wear off pretty quick like the toys my kids got at Xmas.

Why must we contact you to hear your story? Why not blast it for all to hear? Why save people one at a time? Let the masses know that Cory has it all figured out and in less than a year!

Its kinda creepy you're trying to get us to call you. Are you going to try to sell us insurance? Join your cult? Get paid to log our number?

Come on @coryb save Mosntermuleys! Lets hear your story. Did you catch your wife with 10 dudes and she said it was bible study? You gotta watch those religious ones......
 
Cory, thank you for reaching your hand out to spread the joy that can be found in God. I also believe in God and I commend you for starting this post knowing that you were going to get plenty of resistance from it. I’m sure that you reached somebody with your message and for that I am grateful.
God is great!
 
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You’re right SS, God does work in mysterious ways. My wife shares a verse with me most days that she receives from an online group. Above is the one she shared yesterday. God’s timing is perfect. Skeptics and mockers can see this as a coincidence. I don’t, simply because I have seen far too many coincidences for me to not believe they are from God.

I was a skeptic for 41 years. I have been saved for 1 year. I have first hand knowledge fresh in my mind of doubt, denial, and disbelief.

Sorry, but NO: drugs, jail, and Daddy issues did not cause my belief (or unbelief). Through God’s plan of free will I chose my beliefs. Through his Grace and mercy he never stopped calling me, and answering me.

Again, if anybody is interested in hearing some of my details please call me. If you will trust the recount of the events God used to reach me (this will require you have faith in my honesty), I know God can use my story to help reach some of you.

JB, SS, (or anybody else), call me if you would like to discuss this constructively. You both seem to have free time and an interest in the topic at hand.

Did you read my post above about binoculars?? There is substantial proof to support belief. Read “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis for solid evidence that we are wired to know about and yearn for God if you will. It provides insight about internal evidence for God. Read “Is Atheism Dead?” By Eric Metaxas for evidence supporting God in the scientific world.

Genuinely seek God’s input in your life and HE will answer. You simply need to hear and respond appropriately.
Again, watch the documentary Religulous and get me some answers.
 
You've been "saved" for one year? Wow. And you're getting on a hunting forum to try to sell your kool aid? Sounds like Christianity is going to wear off pretty quick like the toys my kids got at Xmas.

Why must we contact you to hear your story? Why not blast it for all to hear? Why save people one at a time? Let the masses know that Cory has it all figured out and in less than a year!

Its kinda creepy you're trying to get us to call you. Are you going to try to sell us insurance? Join your cult? Get paid to log our number?

Come on @coryb save Mosntermuleys! Lets hear your story. Did you catch your wife with 10 dudes and she said it was bible study? You gotta watch those religious ones......
Maybe he knows your car warranty is about to expire and wants to talk to you about it.
 
I thought I made it clear that the phone call would be a discussion about God.

SS, a private phone call would allow me to share my thoughts with you and allow you to keep your reputation as an internet bad guy. That’s a win-win, right?

JB, I’ll watch the video and get back to you. If I do that, are you open to having a phone or face-to-face discussion with me?
 
I thought I made it clear that the phone call would be a discussion about God.

SS, a private phone call would allow me to share my thoughts with you and allow you to keep your reputation as an internet bad guy. That’s a win-win, right?

JB, I’ll watch the video and get back to you. If I do that, are you open to having a phone or face-to-face discussion with me?
@coryb why can’t you share your story with the whole world? Something very fishy about this. Where theres smoke there’s fire….

You just want peoples numbers, why? Scammer?

Internet tough guy? Hahahahahaha yeah right. I did arm wrestle Jesus and beat him 2 out of 3 times though!
 
I thought I made it clear that the phone call would be a discussion about God.

SS, a private phone call would allow me to share my thoughts with you and allow you to keep your reputation as an internet bad guy. That’s a win-win, right?

JB, I’ll watch the video and get back to you. If I do that, are you open to having a phone or face-to-face discussion with me?
Just curious why I need to talk to you over the phone or meet in person. Like I stated way back in this thread, I would be glad to see you on the mountain while hunting and would gladly share hunting stories with you. I have zero desire to have you preach to me or convey your faith to me or try to "save" me, unless there is a grizzly behind me and I don't see it first. We don't need to have that kind of relationship as I have no interest in faith, mine or yours.
 
So according to you dinosaurs didn't exist?
No sir not at all. If you have a specific question about a young earth and dinosaurs "fitting" together, I'll answer it here or offline. I was a dogmatic evolutionist who had "reconciled it with my faith" for the first 2 decades of my life. Then I actually went to a science course showing the fallacies of evolution and how evidence correlated with a young earth. There are some things that neither side can explain. Such as how oil in such large amounts ends up 2 miles below ground. Coal is very well demonstrated in the young earth models. Old earth models not so much. Old earthers cannot explain why there is less than 2 inches of lunar dust covering the moon surface. Old earthers assume that all the lead in a dating sample came from decay of uranium isotopes. They ignore the possibility(and likelihood) that some of the lead may have just been there from the beginning whether of God or the Big Bang- thus throwing off all their assumptions and calculations.

Speaking of active imaginations! No faith is required to claim that we all came from some universe wide explosion! No faith is required to accept that DNA formed from random proteins that science has confirmed could never have formed in any of the conditions that existed on earth at the time period in which they claim life would have had to start? (thus theories about the required proteins landing here on a meteor)

As far as the ark and evidence goes- it was wood. and it was a few thousand years ago. So proably not any evidence left, but possibly and many have claimed that it does. But they are mostly treasure seekers. Here's the real question though- if we found evidence of the ark today WOULD YOU BELIEVE? Or would you just move on to your next arguement? That's why I said earlier everything requires faith at some point - even the very chair you are likely sitting in as you look through this forum. When someone agrees to me taking them to surgery they ultimately have faith that I will do a good job and they will wake up again. (personally i have tried to have all my surgeries awake). :) appreciate your questions and not name calling. Hopefully you perceive the same from me
 
Coryb, it’s a discussion that’s why it’s fitting to do it here rather than a private call. Discuss away! What’s wrong with sharing your thoughts here? Sometimes a discussion in a place like this could be more rewarding, think about that. You already have our attention. You had that when you titled a thread “hunting is not important” and placed a religious tone to it with the plea “call me”. No one’s going to call, discuss here! I know you won’t do it, for some reason you are trained to do it over the phone or in person like a salesman or missionary.
 
No sir not at all. If you have a specific question about a young earth and dinosaurs "fitting" together, I'll answer it here or offline. I was a dogmatic evolutionist who had "reconciled it with my faith" for the first 2 decades of my life. Then I actually went to a science course showing the fallacies of evolution and how evidence correlated with a young earth. There are some things that neither side can explain. Such as how oil in such large amounts ends up 2 miles below ground. Coal is very well demonstrated in the young earth models. Old earth models not so much. Old earthers cannot explain why there is less than 2 inches of lunar dust covering the moon surface. Old earthers assume that all the lead in a dating sample came from decay of uranium isotopes. They ignore the possibility(and likelihood) that some of the lead may have just been there from the beginning whether of God or the Big Bang- thus throwing off all their assumptions and calculations.

Speaking of active imaginations! No faith is required to claim that we all came from some universe wide explosion! No faith is required to accept that DNA formed from random proteins that science has confirmed could never have formed in any of the conditions that existed on earth at the time period in which they claim life would have had to start? (thus theories about the required proteins landing here on a meteor)

As far as the ark and evidence goes- it was wood. and it was a few thousand years ago. So proably not any evidence left, but possibly and many have claimed that it does. But they are mostly treasure seekers. Here's the real question though- if we found evidence of the ark today WOULD YOU BELIEVE? Or would you just move on to your next arguement? That's why I said earlier everything requires faith at some point - even the very chair you are likely sitting in as you look through this forum. When someone agrees to me taking them to surgery they ultimately have faith that I will do a good job and they will wake up again. (personally i have tried to have all my surgeries awake). :) appreciate your questions and not name calling. Hopefully you perceive the same from me
It was a big boat. How many trees did it take to build a ship that big to hold this many species, and honestly, there were many more at the time this allegedly took place.

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Don’t forget gods favorite president joe Biden
That is a great flaw in the faith of many. God has made it clear that ALL authority is established by Him. Many so-called christians throw the same hissy fits the left throws when their elected leaders don't fit their mold. The first father's day of Obama's presidency he gave a very moving speech encouraging fatherhood amongst all but particularly challenged the black community to re- embrace fatherhood. To step up and man up and be a father. Not a baby maker. He got so trashed by Al sharpton and all, but I prayed and hoped that Obama would come through on this. Thinking that any harm he might do from my ideological prospective would be greatly overcome if he could help to re-establish fatherhood in this country. Unfortunately he backed down.
We are not to hate our leaders but rather to honor and pray for them.

I do pray for President Biden as fervently as I did for Trump. But if and when I do behave disrespectfully towards either(not disagree) I will thank you for reminding me that that is not God's will.
 
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The majority of those are plants, no one ever claimed they were on the ark. Fail to see the relevance of how many trees. But they have an estimation at the ark experience. You do understand that God's definition of kind and our definition of species are not necessarily the same as well right? We even have to move animals in to diffferent columns when we discover we were wrong. God never has had to though :)
 
My goal is not to share my story!! My goal is to reach people with enough interest in God that they are willing to call me and have a conversation about it.

Often, who people portray themselves as online is not who they really are. Therefore, actual conversations tend to be a better way to have productive discussions, at work, at home, and even on hunting forums. This is not always the case, of course. However, my personality type allows me to communicate better with my voice than with my computer or phone.

I could share details of my story on here (and maybe I will, I haven’t been “trained” not to!!) but it would fall on deaf ears. Many are convicted to refuse God no matter what and I certainly don’t have the ability to change them. Some, however, are genuinely searching for truth and I may just be able to share something they need to hear.

If something smells fishy, maybe it’s because I’ve been able to spend my morning on a nice warm Riverbank casting to some smallmouth. Life is good.
 
The majority of those are plants, no one ever claimed they were on the ark. Fail to see the relevance of how many trees. But they have an estimation at the ark experience. You do understand that God's definition of kind and our definition of species are not necessarily the same as well right? We even have to move animals in to diffferent columns when we discover we were wrong. God never has had to though :)
Right……
 
The majority of those are plants, no one ever claimed they were on the ark. Fail to see the relevance of how many trees. But they have an estimation at the ark experience. You do understand that God's definition of kind and our definition of species are not necessarily the same as well right? We even have to move animals in to diffferent columns when we discover we were wrong. God never has had to though :)
'Estimation?' Like the one folks at much higher pay grades than mine have estimated to be the probable time for God's creativity as related in the Bible?

In Genesis, God supposedly created everything, including earth, in seven days. Using the bible itself & tracing genealogies mentioned in the tales puts that time to be somewhere around either 5500 or 4000 BC, depending on the version of bible used. Using the older 5500 date, that's about 7,500 years ago. I don't think there is a single scientist alive who study such things who would agree that dinosaurs existed between then & now. Many of those same scientists have determined the dinos went extinct up to 65 MILLION years ago. How can that be if earth is only 7,500 yrs old?
 
The majority of those are plants, no one ever claimed they were on the ark. Fail to see the relevance of how many trees. But they have an estimation at the ark experience. You do understand that God's definition of kind and our definition of species are not necessarily the same as well right? We even have to move animals in to diffferent columns when we discover we were wrong. God never has had to though :)
This is the problem when someone's faith disconnects them from reality. Have you considered the size the ark would have to have been to allow two of every species plus people on it? What did all these animals eat while they were on the Ark? Are we also to believe that all of these animals got along while crammed on here and none of them killed each other or perished from other means? It's a cool story but in no way practical.
 
I'd love to spam this thread with Flat Earth, Tartaria/mudflood, ufo's are really demons, etc...but I won't.
 
But you think it’s practical that out of nowhere, caused by nothing, and for no reason, our world literally exploded into existence. And then, and also for no reason, life just happened to end up looking like it does today? Sounds like you have tremendous faith like I do.
 
It's as practical as claiming one ghostly spirit created everything that exists from nothing and did it all in one week. In today's world, the trade unions would have been irate. ;)
Or that an explosion created everything over millions of years later violating most of the known laws of thermodynamics that govern the universe.
 
I'd love to spam this thread with Flat Earth, Tartaria/mudflood, ufo's are really demons, etc...but I won't.
Kooks of all persuasions have permeated the history of the world.

Christianity was sort of an off shoot of Judaism. The latter mostly ignores Jesus as any sort of savior. Nor is the reincarnation part of Judaism.

Many Moslems, with Islam among one of the most populous religions in the world, believe in Sharia law. Most of it is counter to Jewish & Christian beliefs.

The point: beliefs, traditions & fairy tales are all over the map when it comes to the 'right' religion. And they all want to convince nonbelievers & others that theirs IS the right one. That's why kids wearing white shirts, black ties & riding bikes occasionally pester me by knocking on my door.
 
This is the problem when someone's faith disconnects them from reality. Have you considered the size the ark would have to have been to allow two of every species plus people on it? What did all these animals eat while they were on the Ark? Are we also to believe that all of these animals got along while crammed on here and none of them killed each other or perished from other means? It's a cool story but in no way practical.
The Bible declares the size of the ark. it is an estimation as to how many trees because I cannot tell you how large a tree was harvested for each part of the project. I can't even tell you how many trees were used in the construction of my house. Can you? Yes I have considered the size and a literal 1:1 scale representation has been made. It is huge. And the layout set up to show how all the needed animals even dinosaurs if they were preserved. (likely they were based on the numerous reports of dinosaur animals described in post flood books across numerous cultures). So if one accepts that God created the universe, you think that He couldn't keep two animals from eating other? Seriously why is that the hangup point? It's not about practical. Lol. Hunting isn't practical for that matter. Neither is evolution. You've seen enough dead trees standing in the forest to know there is no way they could be petrified over 10,000 years as the evolutionists claim. Those dead treees don't survive for 10 years.
 
The Bible declares the size of the ark. it is an estimation as to how many trees because I cannot tell you how large a tree was harvested for each part of the project. I can't even tell you how many trees were used in the construction of my house. Can you? Yes I have considered the size and a literal 1:1 scale representation has been made. It is huge. And the layout set up to show how all the needed animals even dinosaurs if they were preserved. (likely they were based on the numerous reports of dinosaur animals described in post flood books across numerous cultures). So if one accepts that God created the universe, you think that He couldn't keep two animals from eating other? Seriously why is that the hangup point? It's not about practical. Lol. Hunting isn't practical for that matter. Neither is evolution. You've seen enough dead trees standing in the forest to know there is no way they could be petrified over 10,000 years as the evolutionists claim. Those dead treees don't survive for 10 years.
And that 1:1 scale model will fit at least 1mil animals? Nothing you stated is practical.
 
The Bible declares the size of the ark. it is an estimation as to how many trees because I cannot tell you how large a tree was harvested for each part of the project. I can't even tell you how many trees were used in the construction of my house. Can you? Yes I have considered the size and a literal 1:1 scale representation has been made. It is huge. And the layout set up to show how all the needed animals even dinosaurs if they were preserved. (likely they were based on the numerous reports of dinosaur animals described in post flood books across numerous cultures). So if one accepts that God created the universe, you think that He couldn't keep two animals from eating other? Seriously why is that the hangup point? It's not about practical. Lol. Hunting isn't practical for that matter. Neither is evolution. You've seen enough dead trees standing in the forest to know there is no way they could be petrified over 10,000 years as the evolutionists claim. Those dead treees don't survive for 10 years.
If God has that kind of control can you tell him to stop the predation on Mule Deer until their numbers recover. Dead trees also survive longer then 10 years, we had a huge fire here in 2001 and there is still dead trees laying all over the place.
 
not at all, there aren't one million kinds of land/air animals.
or rather even 500,000 kinds
Remember, multiply by 2 since Noah got male and female.
Maybe even a stray non-pronoun using flamingo got mixed in.
He was a helluva trapper.

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The Bible declares the size of the ark. it is an estimation as to how many trees because I cannot tell you how large a tree was harvested for each part of the project. I can't even tell you how many trees were used in the construction of my house. Can you? Yes I have considered the size and a literal 1:1 scale representation has been made. It is huge. And the layout set up to show how all the needed animals even dinosaurs if they were preserved. (likely they were based on the numerous reports of dinosaur animals described in post flood books across numerous cultures). So if one accepts that God created the universe, you think that He couldn't keep two animals from eating other? Seriously why is that the hangup point? It's not about practical. Lol. Hunting isn't practical for that matter. Neither is evolution. You've seen enough dead trees standing in the forest to know there is no way they could be petrified over 10,000 years as the evolutionists claim. Those dead treees don't survive for 10 years.
You also skipped my question on how they all ate and where the food came from. If I remember correctly it rained for 40 days and 40 nights so they would have needed a minumum of two months food supply.
 
not at all, there aren't one million kinds of land/air animals.
or rather even 500,000 kinds
So let's narrow it down a bit. Africa alone harbors about 1 million different ANIMAL species. Two of each wouldn't fit on even the largest ship that currently exists. Even if they fit, the logistics for their upkeep would be tremendously complicated. Just think how long the morning feeding would take. Where would all the 'feeders' & all that food come from? The fish producing miracles would have to now include meat & plant-based fodder.
 
The Bible declares the size of the ark. it is an estimation as to how many trees because I cannot tell you how large a tree was harvested for each part of the project. I can't even tell you how many trees were used in the construction of my house. Can you? Yes I have considered the size and a literal 1:1 scale representation has been made. It is huge. And the layout set up to show how all the needed animals even dinosaurs if they were preserved. (likely they were based on the numerous reports of dinosaur animals described in post flood books across numerous cultures). So if one accepts that God created the universe, you think that He couldn't keep two animals from eating other? Seriously why is that the hangup point? It's not about practical. Lol. Hunting isn't practical for that matter. Neither is evolution. You've seen enough dead trees standing in the forest to know there is no way they could be petrified over 10,000 years as the evolutionists claim. Those dead treees don't survive for 10 years.

All anyone has to do is look into the events that unfolded when Mt. St. Helens erupted, the way the landscape changed, and the now floating log mat in Spirit Lake. This is how massive coal seams were made. This is also how petrified forests were made. Guys with PhD's, way, way smarter than certain posters on this thread, are now theorizing and debunking the old world mentality of evolution and long time frames for events to transpire. And no JB, I ain't one of those "smart" posters on this thread, so get over yourself already.

If anyone thinks it takes millions of years to form a rock, think again. If anyone thinks it takes hundreds of thousands of years to form a sedimentary rock, they obviously don't know anything about the use of adobe brick...
 
All anyone has to do is look into the events that unfolded when Mt. St. Helens erupted, the way the landscape changed, and the now floating log mat in Spirit Lake. This is how massive coal seams were made. This is also how petrified forests were made. Guys with PhD's, way, way smarter than certain posters on this thread, are now theorizing and debunking the old world mentality of evolution and long time frames for events to transpire. And no JB, I ain't one of those "smart" posters on this thread, so get over yourself already.

If anyone thinks it takes millions of years to form a rock, think again. If anyone thinks it takes hundreds of thousands of years to form a sedimentary rock, they obviously don't know anything about the use of adobe brick...
You sure are sensitive. I have not questioned your intelligence once and definitely have not tooted my own horn. I have asked multiple times on here for anyone to show me proof since I am being asked to call in to the hotline for therapy with Cory.
 
A 1st grader level of an example is that all the dog and horse breeds we have today didn't exist at the time of the flood, but all of those breeds we have today stem from two of it's kind...
We didn't mention breeds we mentioned species which there are far more than 500,00
 
? Grown men arguing over something they don’t believe in, something they think is or is not a fantasy. I would pay money to watch all of you take a field trip to Disneyland together. ?
 
Evolution is the real fairy tale. The Ark actually makes scientific sense. Evolution is retarded (and it's a THEORY). Evolution states that ALL dogs evolved from wolves. Show me the evolutionary process that makes a wolf turn into a chihuahua. LMAO! So where's all the fossils of the in between breeds of chihuahua/wolves??
 
Wasn’t Noah a couple hundred years old too?
900...all the old testament dudes lived into their 800/900's. New Testament dudes not quite as long but all well over a hundred. It's a myth that prehistoric man only lived 30 years or so. We used to live MUCH MUCH longer lives. If we weren't constantly being poisoned we'd all be living well into our hundreds.
 
Evolution is the real fairy tale. The Ark actually makes scientific sense. Evolution is retarded (and it's a THEORY). Evolution states that ALL dogs evolved from wolves. Show me the evolutionary process that makes a wolf turn into a chihuahua. LMAO! So where's all the fossils of the in between breeds of chihuahua/wolves??
You win sir. Absolutely the funniest comment of this entire trainwreck. I am surprised you have made it this far in life.
 
900...all the old testament dudes lived into their 800/900's. New Testament dudes not quite as long but all well over a hundred. It's a myth that prehistoric man only lived 30 years or so. We used to live MUCH MUCH longer lives. If we weren't constantly being poisoned we'd all be living well into our hundreds.
Wait. You topped yourself! ??‍♂️?
 
Petrified wood is somewhere between 20 million to 200 million years old. That doesn't jive with the estimated age of the Genesis verion of the world's creation at 7,500 years.

Likewise for the species that existed during the time frame when Noah did his ark project. He was supposedly only 600 years old when the grand flood occurred. :rolleyes:

And just think, he put all those critters on a boat with dimensions of 450' x 75' & 45' high. The Titanic was nearly twice as big at 850' x 92' x 64'.
 
Evolution is the real fairy tale. The Ark actually makes scientific sense. Evolution is retarded (and it's a THEORY). Evolution states that ALL dogs evolved from wolves. Show me the evolutionary process that makes a wolf turn into a chihuahua. LMAO! So where's all the fossils of the in between breeds of chihuahua/wolves??

You can search up videos of how dogs evolved. One cool one is where they breed the runts of every red fox in captivity and in a matter of a few generations, they are smaller and their color is now black. In the beginning, that’s what we did, was take the runts or less aggressive wolves that were somewhat comfortable around humans and wouldn’t kill us. We would breed them over and over and their behavior is less like a wolf and more domesticated after breeding the less aggressive. Put that together along with dependence on humans for survival and it’s not too difficult to understand that they would not be the 120 pound killers they were in the wild after many generations of selected breeding.
 

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