Every time this is brought up it sounds just as stupid as the first time I heard it. Here I’ll translate
Maybe, if I really cared one way or the other. Which I honestly really don’t. What I do care about is the fact that the people Making these decisions refuse to acknowledge real data and they refuse to acknowledge that what they are doing won’t fix a thing. The only thing it has potential to do, is make the rifle deer hunt a little better than it is now. This isn’t about long term effects. It’s very much about short term and social feelings management. That’s it.LoL
That’s good stuff!!!
Same could be said with smokeless powder. True 1x scopes. Hunter orange. No magnified lenses on archery sights…. The list goes on and on. If you make it a law, most will abide by it because it’s the law. You’ll always have bad actors no matter what the laws are.
A lot of assumptions being made in this statement. Kinda like your assumption that everyone with a 20x scope on their muzzleloader is shooting animals at 750 yards. Does it happen? Sure. Is it being done by the majority? Absolutely not.
No, no, no,no. You don’t get to do that. Only homer gets to do that
Fair
I wear orange precisely because of utards like you
Is everyone from Idaho as ‘simple’ as you are? Or do most of its residents have common sense? I’d like it believe not everyone can call the same person “dad” and “uncle”, but with you as a fine representative, I’m not so sure.Fair
Man you guys sound like millennials
Fair? Are you really comparing a rifle to a bow and saying they should be equal or it’s un fair?
Man this is better then cable TV !!!
This from a utard that can’t understand why muzzle loaders have their own season to begin with.
I don't think you would find one.
Come on !
Well I was going to reply to your thread that told about you're involvement in the 70's in going to several meetings and helping promote the original muzzleloader season in Utah. You must of edited it because I can't find it now?
So why take scopes off muzzleloaders then if it's not going to improve the deer/buck numbers? Are we taking them off so a few more bucks might make it past the muzzy season? Great a few more bucks for the pumpkin patch to destroy couple weeks later. You guys on here that think that shooting a muzzleloader long range is easy clearly have no experience shooting muzzys long range. Go shoot them in the wind and tell me it's just like a single shot long range rifle. I could care less take my scope off that's the least evolved piece of tech on my muzzy. Tell me how it's going to improve anything and I'll gladly take my scope off. It's just like those deadly trail cameras we had to get rid of that really did alot didn't it.
WTF are you talking about?
lot a big words in that one for a utard huh?
I agree, I would gladly take my scope off if there was logic behind the idea. No one has come up with any logical explanation as to the WHY?! It ain’t to save the deer as the technology committee claims.
Not really. I am supportive of the movement to limit technology and put the "hunt" back in "hunting." There is no crying coming from my house. What are you hearing out in the Basin?
It was actually a post made by, I believe(?), 2Lumpy.
I mistakenly thought Bux n Dux made this post and kept scrolling through his name trying to find it again and couldn't .
My apologies to you sir as I thought you had made this post. I was wrong but I did find it. Only you're not the one who posted it.
You’re correct, we did not intend it to be high tech. We already had a high tech weapons hunt. It was the “any weapon hunt”. The any weapon hunting was the ultimate high tech hunt already, in the 1970s. We weren’t looking for another one.
Again with the crying about un fair. Totally missing the point. But you’ll never understand. That’s pretty obvious
2 lumpy
Except in utah for general deer, you cant “buy” a rifle tag. You can’t buy a general muzzleloader deer tag either. You can DRAW one. But not buy.
Got a mid 60’s Fred bear hanging on the wall ready to go
Says the guy that wants to do away with long range hunting
Just like any weapon type, people have been pushing the limits since their introduction as a “legal” weapon for any hunt. Late 80s there were guys shooting 100 yards with compounds, or trying to. By the mid 90s, they were doing it on purpose and very efficiently killing animals. Same goes with rifles. Muzzleloaders… there’s guys killing stuff with blowguns at ranges some would struggle to hit an animal with a traditional bow at. You either need to draw a line in the sand and take it back to the most basic forms of the weapon type, or you need to draw a line now and say no more beyond here. Anything aside from that, just creates drama. Some here are very hung up on the word “fair”. Well this clearly isn’t being brought up for the benefit of wildlife. It’s to manage social feelings. If it’s not for the wildlife, then we need to take a look at what is “fair” for the technology limitations of all hunters and their preferred weapons.
Guess I missed the part of the OP of this thread in the general hunting forum that said this topic was strictly about utards. To clear it up for you, scopes should not be on muzzle loaders for any season, anywhere.
I was fortunate to have gotten to know Lee Robertson when I moved to the Basin in the 80’s. He had retired from the DWR, and lived in a cabin he had built in Fruitland. He was a mountain man through and through. Most probably don’t know that he was instrumental in development of the hunter safety program for the state of Utah. (Utah had the highest hunter accident incidents in the western U.S at the time) It was the template for programs across the nation. He was a man of many interests and talents. He was an accomplished gunsmith, and shot a muzzleloader that he had built from scratch . Anybody else remember when he did the hunting predictions with Paul James before the Utah deer hunt. I didn’t mean to high jack this discussion, but mention of him brought back some wonderful memories. He was instrumental in the development of a muzzleloader hunt in Utah, and I’m sure would be sadden by what it has become.
According to who? You?
Yep……. all those things about Lee are true…. and much more. He was always the elephant in the room. I got to know him quite well but not nearly as well as I would have liked to. He was a leader in many things.
Yea…….. and you and I aren’t?
Nice. When you cant argue on the facts, you throw in a little religious dig to show us your real intellectual abilities.
You did what you thought right at the time, I didn't agree then and i still don't today. We can both have an opinion.
I know I’m repeating myself but I’ll keep saying it.
He liked that Elk Ridge country as much as you and your family. I was going to go down with him, but sadly he died suddenly before we made the trip. That’s a sad story for another time
There’s another opinion I’m sure we can disagree on.
I know hunters from idaho and you’re pretty much set back to pre 1985 tech but without 209 primers/sabots. Just this year -they allowed copper jacket bullets as long as they are .010 within the lands.
It has been going down hill, for 40 years. But…….. not the elk, not the sheep, not the mt goats, not the ducks, not geese, not the whitetails, not the bison, not cougars, not the bears, not the coyotes…. Not the pigs, beef or chickens. Just the mule deer and the pronghorn……… due to mismanagement, and that’s an unmitigated fact.
He is just angry at the world because he knows soon he is going to have to start keeping track of bonus and preference points from Idaho G$F.
Again, what about this thread is Utah based? Go read the OP, it’s about muzzle loaders.
Then keep your “trash” at your northern border.
Explain yourself please……
That is funny.
What is this ‘Pheasant’ animal you speak of?
Deal, but why are you concerned about the Canadian border?
What’s stopping you from hunting with the far superior rifles or bows? Again, seems like you got as “fair” an opportunity there as anyone else.
PickettEvery other post now is about fair
You snowflakes are hilarious.
Give up hoss, their minds can’t grasp it
So where are you on this ?
Hey Lumpy,
Thank you for you kind words. I just try to keep it real, when I can. As I’ve said before, how it goes from here is the next generations responsible.
Pay Attention Hossy!
You Don't Even Muzzle Loader Hunt Anymore!
But Oh Boy!
BY GAWD!
You're Getting Yourself a New 6.5!
Hopefully It's A PRC Cuzz If It Ain't I'm Gonna Call You a pouse'!
Remember Hossy!
Since You're A Professional Opportunist!
There's Two 6.5's Sittin There Starring at You!
Man-Up & Make The Right Choice!
You Said You'd Never Retire That Ought-Six?
What's Up With That?
And Don't Tell Me It's Starting To Kick!
To be totally honest I don’t remember all of the back ground of that decision. I’ll share a little more insight that might add some insight into it.
Mmmmm. I’ve owned bows all my life but never been an accomplished archer, so I’m only speculating. Remember, in Utah, before the advent of the compound bow, you could buy an archery tag and a rifle tag, at some times and places, more than one of each. I’ve known some very successful archers over the years, my son’s are pretty darn good at it now……. But nearly 50% have been at it since they could stand and hold a bow. I think it’s like Rifle and muzzleloaders hunters. The good ones, back when I was young could kill a deer or an elk with a long bow let alone a 2023 Matthews or Hoyt. I believe I could say, there are old timers that love the memories of long bow/recurve hunting and wouldn’t mind much if the “tech committee” turned the clock back, because those guys do it for the love of the hunt, more so than the weapon they are holding. Primative hunting is a very satisfying experience, by its nature. There is a rush when you’re 15/20 from a big game animal. There’s a psychological bonding euphoria that comes when you feel “at one” with primative hunters. (We all came from that genie pool.). Having said that, humans are both opportunistic and calculating. Throw in competitive. Which hunting has become, and most human will use the best tool they can get their hands on, if given a choice..
Oh Hossy
I still have a couple that might be legal next year. They were good out to fifty yards in 83.
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I’m sorry, I don’t remember that store MrShane, but that doesn’t mean I was never in it………?. Maybe it will come to me in a few hours. ??
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Oh Hossy
Oh Hossy
Explain this data BS please.
And leave lumpy out this. I admire his honesty and he doesn’t proclaim to know what you think you know.
The good-ole days are gone my friend. The tech was there and you “know” that it wasn’t - in your little world that you lived in.
I do admire your passion to go back to the good -ole-days.
Btw -I’m probably older than you are. I resisted the internet because I knew better. Crazy thing is I switched over to conicals back in that era and 100 yards was a chip shot. But as you said - it wasn’t available.
So Hoss
