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Zigga

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So let's be honest. Who is embarrassed of the NRA? I was embarrassed way before this latest incident but they really took the cake lately. Have you figured out they are a sham yet? They use fear to get inside your narrow little minds and you wingnuts eat it right up. I've read post after post of how we have the right to bear arms. GMAFB on not regulating man killers. If it will save one 6 year old's life, AND IT WILL, then it's worth it. Don't give me this crap about guns not killing people. They make it a WHOLE lot easier to kill people. Had this idiot used a bolt action rifle then a lot less First Graders would have died. DO YOU GET IT??? Pretty simple but I don't expect you morons to figure it out. If we could only bottle the power of the stupidity on this site just image what we could do with it. WOW!!! It's much more than just regulating a weapon I know and there will always be conflict in this world but get a clue for once. Where's that loser nugent at? What a dooshbag.

Had your child been one gunned down by an assault rifle then I guarantee you'd feel different about the situation.
 
I'm embarrassed of fellow americans like you zigga.....we are facing an anti gun mob frenzy right now while you and your kind stand there slack jawed......if you can't shoot the enemy zigga, stfu and load my rifle....
 
Ziggy, you need to quit smoking that wacky weed and clear your head. The NRA are not the bad guys here. Yes they sometimes take a position of "not giving any ground" but it may be needed at times to get the antis to give up ground and make concessions instead of outright banning of guns. You can compare it to going into a used car lot and having to barter with a used car dealer on the price you are willing to pay compared to what he wants you to pay.

Yes, semi auto weapons can be fired at a faster rate then other firearms. banning them still will not stop the carnage. I want to see further steps taken to get to the root of the problem as I prefer to not to see 4 or 6 kids killed, let along 20 kids.

You can badmouth the NRA all you want, but you are being the moron to do so. I guess you also trust your politicians to do the right thing by looking out for your best interests.

RELH
 
Zigga what is your defintion of assault rifle could it be a ruger 10-22,remington 742 and all semi auto shotguns?your starting to sound like Feinstein.
 
If we can't regulate assult weapons would the NRA go for a limit on kids?











Stay thirsty my friends
 
> Zigga
>what is your defintion of
>assault rifle could it be
>a ruger 10-22,remington 742 and
>all semi auto shotguns?your starting
>to sound like Feinstein.


Wow, what a stupid question. What did those kids get slaughtered with? There's your answer. I'm here to help.
 
>> Zigga
>>what is your defintion of
>>assault rifle could it be
>>a ruger 10-22,remington 742 and
>>all semi auto shotguns?your starting
>>to sound like Feinstein.
>
>
>Wow, what a stupid question.
>What did those kids get
>slaughtered with? There's your
>answer. I'm here to
>help.
That's my point you could do that damage with any weapon.
 
>>> Zigga
>>>what is your defintion of
>>>assault rifle could it be
>>>a ruger 10-22,remington 742 and
>>>all semi auto shotguns?your starting
>>>to sound like Feinstein.
>>
>>
>>Wow, what a stupid question.
>>What did those kids get
>>slaughtered with? There's your
>>answer. I'm here to
>>help.
> That's
>my point you could do
>that damage with any weapon.
>

Then I guess you have no point.....as expected.

If only we could harness this power.
 
Zigga, your a weird little troll. You are on a hunting website and the majority of your posts are in the political forum.

Get back on your liberal jerk off site and enjoy your fellow sheep.

The NRA has one purpose. Protect our ability to own guns.

If you own guns and want to continue to own guns you better support them, or go out and create your own organization that has political clout.

Other option is for you to sell or turn in whatever guns you MAY own and then you can count on the police to protect you.

***********************************

Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money."


"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own." - Unknown
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-12 AT 09:25PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-12 AT 09:24?PM (MST)

Really Zigga! You're a traitor to the founders of this nation. The Second Amendment was put in the constitution for a reason. Not so we could have guns to hunt. It was so the people would have means to rise up and resist an oppressive government and tyrrany if the government should get that way. Your kind says, but they had muskets back then. Yeah they did and so did the military. Now our military and government agencies carry service rifles which is the correct name for the misnomer "assult rifle."
Therefore the second amendment guarantees that the private citizens have access to equal firepower, in order to resist government oppression and tyranny. Which is exactly what an attempt at a service rifle ban would be...government oppression!

Take the guns away and what do the mentally unstable killers do?
They toss a malotov cocktail into a room full of kids. Its not near as bad to have your kids burn to death or be blown to pieces by a pipe bomb, right Zigga. Plus we get the bonus of seeing the school go up in flames. Far less of a tragedy to pick up an bunch of 6 year olds in charred bits and pieces than with 5.56 ammo, right Zigga. Or better yet, why not wait for those kids to line up to wait for their ride home and take your car and run over the crowd. A far less tragic way to die right Zigga.

Dead is dead! The problem is liberal candy azzez like you Zigga are far too concerned with being politically correct and violating the rights of the known mentally unstable individual. Therefore they are allowed to walk among us. Much more important to ensure the rights of the crazies than to keep the public safe right Zigga.

There is one common factor in most of these mass killings and it ain't guns, its the killer was known and diagnosed with mental instability and it happened in a gun free zone where people are not allowed to protect themselves. Until that is fixed, these killings will continue, guns or no guns.

We live in an evil world full of evil people, and the main point I want to make is YOU CAN NOT DISARM EVIL!!!

Zigga, you're just a f**king idiot!

p.s. put the discharged soldiers and marines to work, hire them and place them in every school in the nation, and pay them at least a teachers salary. They're trained to handle situations like this!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-12
>AT 09:25?PM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-12
>AT 09:24?PM (MST)
>
>Really Zigga! You're a traitor to
>the founders of this nation.
>The Second Amendment was put
>in the constitution for a
>reason. Not so we could
>have guns to hunt. It
>was so the people would
>have means to rise up
>and resist an oppressive government
>and tyrrany if the government
>should get that way. Your
>kind says, but they had
>muskets back then. Yeah they
>did and so did the
>military. Now our military and
>government agencies carry service rifles
>which is the correct name
>for the misnomer "assult rifle."
>
>Therefore the second amendment guarantees that
>the private citizens have access
>to equal firepower, in order
>to resist government oppression and
>tyranny. Which is exactly what
>an attempt at a service
>rifle ban would be...government oppression!
>
>
>Take the guns away and what
>do the mentally unstable killers
>do?
>They toss a malotov cocktail into
>a room full of kids.
>Its not near as bad
>to have your kids burn
>to death or be blown
>to pieces by a pipe
>bomb, right Zigga. Plus we
>get the bonus of seeing
>the school go up in
>flames. Far less of a
>tragedy to pick up an
>bunch of 6 year olds
>in charred bits and pieces
>than with 5.56 ammo, right
>Zigga. Or better yet, why
>not wait for those kids
>to line up to wait
>for their ride home and
>take your car and run
>over the crowd. A far
>less tragic way to die
>right Zigga.
>
>Dead is dead! The problem is
>liberal candy azzez like you
>Zigga are far too concerned
>with being politically correct and
>violating the rights of the
>known mentally unstable individual. Therefore
>they are allowed to walk
>among us. Much more important
>to ensure the rights of
>the crazies than to keep
>the public safe right Zigga.
>
>
>There is one common factor in
>most of these mass killings
>and it ain't guns, its
>the killer was known and
>diagnosed with mental instability and
>it happened in a gun
>free zone where people are
>not allowed to protect themselves.
>Until that is fixed, these
>killings will continue, guns or
>no guns.
>
>We live in an evil world
>full of evil people, and
>the main point I want
>to make is YOU CAN
>NOT DISARM EVIL!!!
>
>Zigga, you're just a f**king idiot!
>
>
>p.s. put the discharged soldiers and
>marines to work, hire them
>and place them in every
>school in the nation, and
>pay them at least a
>teachers salary. They're trained to
>handle situations like this!


Textbook wingnut response. Perfection actually. The founders of this nation had the bushmaster in mind when they created the 2nd amendment. But back then they whittled them out of sticks. Those were the good ones. Hard to find these days.
 
Zigga, your really good at playing stupid.

Keep trolling.




***********************************

Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money."


"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own." - Unknown
 
ZIGGA.....you are still playing the same part as always.

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Ziggy are you really that stupid or just a knee jerk bent wrist liberal after all. When our founding fathers drafted that important document, a portion of the civilian population had superior weapons then the British.

The British was mainly armed with the Brown Bess smooth bore musket with an effective range of 100 yards. Many of the American militia was armed with Penn. or Kentucky long rifles that had rifled bores and was effective out to 300 yards. So your bushmaster remark is nothing but a hill of B.S. as the some of the "minute men" had superior weapons.

Also there was many letters written between the men who drafted our Constitution that cleary showed they wanted the 2nd. ammendmaent so the "citizens" could rise up and overthrow a dictator goverment or invader. It had nothing to do with hunting or sporting reasons. This came out in the Heller decision to appose the liberals argument that bearing arms was only for a regulated militia under the control of the goverment. You need to go back to school and get a refresher course on history and civics.

If you are for banning assault rifles, large cap mags, or having to register them, grow a pair of balls and admit it instead of being a two faced pansy and blowing B.S.
I could respect someone that had a brass pair and told me to my face that they feel they should be banned, or regulated and registered as full auto weapons are. I can not respect some idiot who thinks I dumb enough to fall for his line of B.S. as you have a habit of giving out.
RELH
 
Love the history lessons from 200 years ago and how it pertains to 6 year olds getting mowed down by a gun that fired 100 rounds within seconds.

Keep going. You guys can do way better than this.

But you're doing pretty darn good.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-12 AT 11:16PM (MST)[p]Damn, I guess ziggy really is that stupid! You know what they say, you cant fix it.

I'm appalled that people can't grasp the true intent of the second amendment.
 
Ziggy is also dumb about semi auto weapons and tries to make them out to be full auto weapons as the liberal press does. I am getting tired trying to argue with Ziggy. His I.Q. is about one point over the village idiot.

RELH
 
RELH,

Feel free to list the details of the shooting. Is it liberal bias? Throw some photos in there too. You've never seen anything like it. Nobody has. It will happen again and all you guys can fall back on is founding father bs...blah blah. Remember, the weapons we use in our military....the man- killers were also used by those same founding fathers. Oh wait..... this isn't 1776 anymore. How many mass killings of 6 year olds did they have in the 1700s, 1800s, 1900s. How many more in the years to come?

Anything you need to take to Afghanistan to kill ragheads with and anything that can overpower your local law enforcement with will get banned. It's coming. Enjoy it. It will be just a small part to save innocent lives and no one will come to your door to be taking all your guns away. BOOO!

You wingnuts make it sound like Connecticut was a scenario that could happen. It happened boys.

We really need to harness your power of stupidity. Founding fathers....LMMFAO!!!
 
>Zigga, your a weird little troll.
> You are on a
>hunting website and the majority
>of your posts are in
>the political forum.
>
>Get back on your liberal jerk
>off site and enjoy your
>fellow sheep.
>
>The NRA has one purpose.
>Protect our ability to own
>guns.
>
>If you own guns and want
>to continue to own guns
>you better support them, or
>go out and create your
>own organization that has political
>clout.
>
>Other option is for you to
>sell or turn in whatever
>guns you MAY own and
>then you can count on
>the police to protect you.
>
>
>***********************************
>
>Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism
>is, sooner or later you
>run out of other people's
>money."
>
>
>
>"A Liberal is a person
>who will give away everything
>he doesn't own." - Unknown
>


I've probably taken more big game than you've seen. Birds too. Carry on. Funny post btw.
 
>
> You need to get
>some rest.


And this is why you and the NRA are losers. No solutions. Better start thinking a little harder than that. It's go time. Not one sensible remark from either of you yet. If you want assault weapons unbanned you better give us some pretty good reasons why.


We're waiting......
 
>>Zigga, your a weird little troll.
>> You are on a
>>hunting website and the majority
>>of your posts are in
>>the political forum.
>>
>>Get back on your liberal jerk
>>off site and enjoy your
>>fellow sheep.
>>
>>The NRA has one purpose.
>>Protect our ability to own
>>guns.
>>
>>If you own guns and want
>>to continue to own guns
>>you better support them, or
>>go out and create your
>>own organization that has political
>>clout.
>>
>>Other option is for you to
>>sell or turn in whatever
>>guns you MAY own and
>>then you can count on
>>the police to protect you.
>>
>>
>>***********************************
>>
>>Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism
>>is, sooner or later you
>>run out of other people's
>>money."
>>
>>
>>
>>"A Liberal is a person
>>who will give away everything
>>he doesn't own." - Unknown
>>
>
>
>I've probably taken more big game
>than you've seen. Birds
>too. Carry on.
>Funny post btw.

Let's see them
 
Zigga, how in your little mind is this the NRAs fault?

Do you actually believe your stupid rhetoric?

Why are liberals so controlled by emotion. I can understand it in women.


***********************************

Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money."


"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own." - Unknown
 
>
>Zigga, how in your little mind
>is this the NRAs fault?
>
>
>Do you actually believe your stupid
>rhetoric?
>
>Why are liberals so controlled by
>emotion. I can understand
>it in women.
>
>
>***********************************
>
>Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism
>is, sooner or later you
>run out of other people's
>money."
>
>
>
>"A Liberal is a person
>who will give away everything
>he doesn't own." - Unknown
>
Maybe Zigga is on his period
 
The NRA may not be perfect but they are the best defense that American gun owners have.
They are the 500lb Gorilla in the room.
Living in California I'm fully aware of the constant onslaught of attacks pointed at hunters and gun owners by the ever increasing liberal treehugging freaks.
In the wake of the Connecticut school shooting we will see more gun control of every kind jammed down the throats of honest American gun owners than I've seen in my lifetime.
Hell, mainstream television networks are pulling hunting shows from their programming already, so it just ain't those "scary black guns" that are going to be in the crosshairs.
I found it imperitive to renew my NRA membership last week.
Only a fool with his head in the sand would think otherwise.
Hell, I think you should have to log into these hunting and gun websites using your NRA ID number, but that's just me.

HH
 
Not a big NRA fan but a huge fan of the Constitution. If you would allow the whoring of our founding documents as a response to one small fraction of time when they have endured for over 200 years and served us well I would question your intelligence. How about a law like the felon law that makes it illegal to have a gun in the home if anyone living there is mentally ill? Liberals would enter your home today and confiscate every weapon if they could pull it off. CT has the 4th most restrictive gun laws in the country and how did that work out? Dumb and dumber.
 
I've struggled for a long time with some of the decisions of the NRA but at the end of the day they stop a lot of liberal gun legislation. Do I agree with everything the do? NO! But then again I disagree with much of the things my church does but I still belong. Am I embarrassed by their actions? Yes I am at times but I still support them.
 
>I've struggled for a long time
>with some of the decisions
>of the NRA but at
>the end of the day
>they stop a lot of
>liberal gun legislation. Do
>I agree with everything the
>do? NO! But then
>again I disagree with much
>of the things my church
>does but I still belong.
> Am I embarrassed by
>their actions? Yes I
>am at times but I
>still support them.


Sounds fair to me.


***********************************

Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money."


"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own." - Unknown
 
You guys all make some valid points but the reality is we're never going to be able to ban acts of evil and terrorism. The NRA isn't at fault in this yet some are trying to make them the scapegoat.

Look at history and how many times unbalanced people have done things like this to society. The weapons are as varied as the locations and the methods used.

Emotions are running high right now and the assault weapon and the NRA are both easy targets. Neither is to blame, just like diesel fuel wasn't in OK, water is in parents drowning their kids, fire is to an arsonist who commits murder and pipe is to bombs, or a box cutter was to 9/11, or a car is to a drunk driver, or a water cooler was to Jim Jones, or a vest is to a suicide bomber.

The individuals committed the acts and there's no way on earth you can protect society against that no matter how hard you try.
People are trying to justify what happened and there's simply no way to justify the actions of people that commit these acts, nor can you find any means to protect against them. Sane or crazy these things are going to happen. No amount of security or walls can be built high enough to stop it because they'll just move to a place where vulnerability exists and change the methods to accomplish the act.

I support the NRA and always will but like Corney, I don't always approve of their methods and have told them so. It's the best game we've got and the best voice we have, but they didn't pull that trigger or load that gun, or target those beautiful innocent children.

The responsibility for that falls squarely on the shoulders of society who have made it difficult to get treatment or special ed. in schools, through healthcare and in acceptance to the rationalization that we have mental disorders in society and have to help them, yet don't have the money to pay for it. So we home school them and eventually they wind up on the streets unable to hold a job, as the homeless, America's own untouchable class.
 
So it's going to be easier to cure all the batchits in a nation of over 300 million than it is to stop selling street sweepers?


We all know a ban won't fix the problem, but it's a start, nobody needs those weapins and the 2nd amendment does not grant them to anyone. even Scalia questions it.Seatbelts do not stop all traffic deaths but all cars have them because they help. you do what you can do.

What are the chances if the '94 ban had still been in effect that kids mother would not have owned the Bushmaster and he wouldn't have had access to it? I don't know, you don't know, but I sure as hell see some room for debate. nobody can prove a ban would save lives, but it's much much harder to prove it won't.

At some point the high court will take this on, I'll bet on what they decide. that's the real debate everything else is white noise.



Stay thirsty my friends
 
Times are changing and there will always be shootings and bloodshed. We already have weapon restrictions you don't seem to be crying about. We live by hunting restrictions that we also benefit by. By listening to the wingnut mentality you'd think it was 1778 and anybody with a pulse needs automatic weapons to "protect" themselves. The founding father bit has become as laughable as the comments about arming teachers. I have always supported sensible gun ownership and if further regulations save lives then do it. Of course there are extremes on both sides but no one is taking your guns away. The sky is not falling still.

If one of you wingnuts could let me know how you translate 2E to modern times then I'd love to hear it. This should be good.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-12 AT 05:42PM (MST)[p]Just a few observations.
Since 1966 when the Austin Shooting occurred there have been 68 of these ?Mass Shootings? incidents.

From 1966 through 1993 there were 18 records of ?Mass Shootings?. This was an average of 1.5 incidents per yr.

Then the AWB was put in place. From 1994 through 2004 there were 26 ?Mass Shootings?.
This was an average of 2.6 incidents per yr.

Then the AWB expired and from 2005 through 2011 there were 13 ?Mass Shootings?.
This averages out to .53 incidents per yr.

IN 2012 ALONE, there have been 11 ?Mass Shooting? incidents. Which brings the 2005 through 2012 average up to 3 per yr.

Since the VA tech incident, there have been 24 ?Mass Shooting? incidents- Of these:
6 -of them, the weapon of choice was an assault rifle. These 6 incidents resulted in 69 deaths or 11.5 deaths per incident. (some of these incidents also included handguns, but for this exercise, the deaths were listed under assault rifles)

18 -of them the weapon of choice was a handgun, or a collection of handguns, shotguns, 22 rifles. These incidents resulted in 155 deaths or 8.6 deaths per incident.

EVERDAY IN THE US 27 people die from drunk drivers.
 
Hey Zigga and fudgepacker, The village called,,,,They want their idiots back.


Government doesn't fix anything and has spent trillions proving it!!!
Let's face it...After Monday and Tuesday, even the calender says WTF!
 
This subject is a tough one for me. Is it time for another AR, high capacity mag ban? I don't know...I do think its time for some serious discussions on all fronts. NRA, Politicians, leftys, rightys, everyone.

Will a AR, high capacity ban stop a crazy SOB from committing an unthinkable crime? I would hope all fronts would agree that is a resounding, NO. As a Country, we have to come together and find better ways to stop an attack faster, with less casualties. This is where I would start.

A Police Officer with a rifle in EVERY School. Most of the cowards that attack our children commit suicide as Police arrive. No guns in a household that houses a mentally ill person that has shown acts of aggression.

We need to force treatment when at all possible. As the law stands right now. We can only force treatment if a person is a threat to themselves or others. This is only for 48 hours for an evaluation. If a person is mentally unstable, every gun in the house hold should be taken to friends/family for safe keeping. If a weapon is found on premises, the weapon owner or responsible adult should be held accountable.

I'm sure alot of MM members will disagree with me, but I've never been a member of the NRA. Why?, mostly because I feel they don't represent my views as a hunter. When I think of the NRA, I think of wingnut radicals.

Ask yourself a question...Why do we own guns? For me, 1st hunting, 2nd shooting (fun), 3rd protection. Now, what gun do you have readily available in case of an intruder? I have a 40 Cal near my bed.

I have no problem, not having the ability to obtain a weapon that Servicemen/women uses solely to kill people. If you refuse to admit it would save some lives in these unspeakable tragedies, you're not being honest with yourself. We as a Nation need to step up and do ALL that we can to do the right thing for ourselves and our children.

Mutley
 
We ALL need to help make our kids safer. Video game companies, movies, gun makers. EVERYBODY, needs to do a little. If we work as a team we can all make a difference. Pointing fingers will do nothing.
 
OK 440, say the 94 ban is still in effect so the nut case decides to take the plug out of a shotgun and load it with buckshot and an open choke. Don't even need to aim it, just point in the general direction of your target at close range. Probably could have taken out 3-4 six year olds with each pull of the trigger. Imagine the carnage!

Same results with a hunting shotgun. You can't disarm evil!
 
They didn't say she had a shotgun, so it may not have been an option. she did have a Bushmaster and I bet it was post 2004 bought.


It's not so much the black rifle as it is the meaning of the black rifle. a fruitcake may not feel like he's man enough with a Benelli or a model 700 in his hands, but give him a gun he's used in 1000 video games and watched Rambo kill with on tv and he feels he can do it. if you recall we're talking about batchits here not your average gun enthusiast.

If a kid wants to outrun the cops would he steal a Corvette or a Prius? same thing.

I own 60 or 70 guns, not one even resembles an assult weapon. I've hunted 11 states and provinces for everthing from quail to moose and I've never needed a black rifle once. so I guess the fact I don't own one says I don't need one, I don't think you do either. if you disagree I guess I just can't help you because my hearts not in it,that's what it really boils down to. save the slippery slope speach I don't buy it either.

Those for and against aren't ever going to agree so this is becoming a waste of effort. it's time to sit back and watch the show once the NRA comes out of hiding knowing it really doesn't matter for me.


Stay thirsty my friends
 
Dude has a very valid point in his above post. It reflects the feelings of the average American citizen at this time. The support for Americans to have assault rifles have dropped due to this last killing of numerous children by a deranged nut case.

Due to this increased support by the average citizen, Obama has appointed Joe Biden, a known anti gun supporter, to head up a committee and Obama wants results by January. Why January? Because he wants to push as strong as a anti gun bill he can get away with while the support is high and the memory of these young children being killed are fresh in the minds of American citizens.

Now we have even more anti gun liberals in CA. jumping on the bandwagon and trying to get even further by calling for buyers of ammo to be registered and paying a yearly fee of 50 bucks for being registered to buy any ammo. The best of two worlds for any anti gun liberal lawmaker. He gets his anti gun bill and diguises the tax as a fee being paid by the gun owners.

This time even the NRA may have to make concessions concerning assault rifles and high cap mags. I have to agree with Dude also on the fact as a hunter I do not need a assault rifle to do my hunting with as my bolt action and lever action rifles do that for me.

I do not need a assault rifle to defend my home from home invaders. In fact as a ex-firearms instructor and Swatt team member, I feel that the assault rifle is a poor second choice weapon for that job. I depend on my 1911's and a Remington semi auto 12 gauge with 18 inch barrel and extended mag tube and attached tatical light to do that. 7 rounds of buckshot will do a far better job of defending your home when the shooting will be under 25 yards.

I look for the Obama adminstration to put a ban on any new assault rifles being sold or made in the U.S. I do not think they will try to ban existing rifles, for fear of it being overturned by the Supreme Court. What I look for them to do is require that existing rifles be registered and they slap on a heavy fee for each rifle and making them to expensive to own by the majority of citizens. I look for a ban on any mags over 10 rounds. I look for them to limit the amount of ammo that can be purchased via the internet.

We can all give thanks to our members that voted for these anti gun liberals at the state and federal level. The next time this comes up they will be going after my "Assault Shotgun" that is semi auto, extended mag tube, and capable of mowing down people with devastating rounds of double ough buckshot.

RELH
 
The assault weapon has been demonized in the press and some on here, so the video game concept you use has some merit. But it's also at the root of the problem of why the weapons been demonized. Hollywood and the left has targeted that weapon because it's easy to present the fact that it is a more refined weapon to the uneducated public and it's shape is easily recognized and looks ominous. It's current, looks neat and makes an excellent prop in an action movie. It's the most recognized gun design in the free world.

Fact is it's cycle time isn't any better than a Glock, Sig 229, 1911 Colt, Ruger 10/22, S&W M&P, Ruger mark II, Rem 742, Auto, Beretta 92, M1 Garand, Browning Auto 5 and a host of other semi automatic weapons. They all shoot at about the same rate or fire. In many cases a revolver can actually come very close to same rate of fire. Of course all of them are only limited by their magazine capacity.

Extended magazines have been available for bolt actions for decades in 10+ rounds. Any Remington 700, Model 70, can be outfitted with them as fast as you can put the new clip in the gun. So then even those weapons become capable of increased capacity. Their hunting only usage mind set means little to the anti crowd, it's a gun.


So now we have many more weapons capable of matching rate of fire and even if slower can still do as much damage if the individual uses distance in his choice of weapons. All will kill just as well and in some cases the advantages offered from proximity to subject actually enhances the assailants chances to get away to commit repeat offenses.

So lets not get too preoccupied with the street sweeper type mentality because that argument couldn't be farther from the truth. A pistol in close quarters is a much easier to wield weapon than any assault rifle. You're just a clip away from just as many bodies and with multiple weapons can probably do more damage. Your rate of fire is equal and everything is much easier to conceal to allow you easier access to crowded areas to commit the horrid act. The Gifford's shooting proves that.

Then we have to look at the fact that millions of people have been trained on their use and function by all branches of our military and law enforcement sector for the last 40 years. Think about that, that's a lot of current sportsmen and people that have been better trained than 95% of the end users in the field today. In many cases these are the only types of guns these guys have shot or own in a long gun. They're the design of choice of our current military so why would we want them not using what they've shot for years? It's a design that allows them to change calibers and modify to suit there needs. It's also the most popular selling long gun design on the market today.

So the argument shouldn't be about banning the AR, it should be about what can we do to be able to make them work, if it comes to that. We have millions of end users with a proven well made design that's adaptable and offers versatility to a complete family instead of "just" trying to make it work. It's a shootable platform and has huge parts availability and ease of modification that don't require having to always use a gunsmith, for LOP modifications etc.


I'm not willing to sell the guys up the river that have gone to war and protected us for decades by forcing them to adapt to something else when many prefer this. This platform is quite easy to adapt so that it can continue to protect our nation with the "restricted military version" and be utilized by those who have served us if they choose in the field with the "civilian model" with much slower semi auto rate of fire. This doesn't have to be the sacrificial lamb that many want when it's design advantages make it so right for so many and workable in todays world.
 
Let's here about and see some Chicago massacre,I'm sure theirs some young kids that are victims and all the weapons are not ak's.I haven't heard to much about it.400 and counting
 
>They didn't say she had a
>shotgun, so it may not
>have been an option. she
>did have a Bushmaster and
>I bet it was post
>2004 bought.
>
>
>It's not so much the black
>rifle as it is the
>meaning of the black rifle.
>a fruitcake may not feel
>like he's man enough with
>a Benelli or a model
>700 in his hands, but
>give him a gun he's
>used in 1000 video games
>and watched Rambo kill with
>on tv and he feels
>he can do it. if
>you recall we're talking about
>batchits here not your average
>gun enthusiast.
>
>If a kid wants to outrun
>the cops would he steal
>a Corvette or a Prius?
>same thing.
>
>I own 60 or 70 guns,
>not one even resembles an
>assult weapon. I've hunted 11
>states and provinces for everthing
>from quail to moose and
>I've never needed a black
>rifle once. so I guess
>the fact I don't own
>one says I don't need
>one, I don't think you
>do either. if you disagree
>I guess I just can't
>help you because my hearts
>not in it,that's what it
>really boils down to. save
>the slippery slope speach I
>don't buy it either.
>
>Those for and against aren't ever
>going to agree so this
>is becoming a waste of
>effort. it's time to sit
>back and watch the show
>once the NRA comes out
>of hiding knowing it really
>doesn't matter for me.
>
>
>Stay thirsty my friends
Probably of those 60-70 guns 10-22 ruger,semiauto shotguns,what is the difference?This ban is only going to be a short feely good for the clueless and those weapons will be next.
 
Did I ever say the ban would help? I just don't think it would hurt. like I said, the slippery slope BS doesn't work on me the 2nd amendment will protect most guns for many lifetimes if we last as a nation that long.

Why doesn't someone take a run at why we need assult weapons, I think it's safe to say the constitution does not gaurantee your right to one so drop that argument. so why do we need them? what makes them worth a non Rambo want to be american fighting for them? Boskee made a pretty good case that they're worthless. I agree.













Stay thirsty my friends
 
Well with that argument then all semiautos should be banned,if the Mayor can ban more than a 16 ounce soda they can ban all semiautos down the road.
 
Well Hell, when comes right down to it, why do we need any of them? Seriously, why do you or any American "need" any gun? Why do you need a M700 or an 1100 or a Benelli? Or a 1911, or a Super BlackHawk or a fine Pre-64 M94? For that matter, Whiskey, like the hell out of it...damn sure don't "Need" it. Don't try to say they don't kill people or as many people, that is BS. I don't believe the constitution says anything about being armed with a Customized 98'.

Americans don't live by necessity, or atleast most of us don't. But some of us have put lives on the line, serving, so Americans don't have to live by necessity.

I bet you own your guns just because you want to, not because you "need" to. I am sorry you don't appreciate AR's as much as others, but that is your choice. I frickin depise Mopar products, doesn't mean I ought to sit here and tell you if you need one or not. It is your choice.

Our congress and POTUS have an enormous opportunity in front of them and they can unite this country, right now, with smart decisions and not drive a wedge and polarize this country worse than it is. This country is in dire need of some leadership that can make difficult decisions and bring this country together and move forward, instead of making a stupid knee-jerk decision that will do nothing except make them feel good, make it look like they "did something". When they did nothing more than tell the masses that they do not "need" something, simply because they don't want to make the tough decisions.

I really hope President Obama is truly presidental in this situation.
 
See with money comes Power, power to make our choices, power to tell us how wrong we are, power to take away things we want, power to tell us what we don't need, power to tell us that our opinion doesn't matter, power to tell us that your service to your country restricts your choices to that which they deem acceptable, power to tell us how uneducated we are.

Then when you add the liberal tag to it, one takes on the absolute quality's of DICKTATER. Through proof of deeds & thought one ascends to REAL DICKTATER ( the highest level of "being" in the rich liberal athiest hierarchy with expansive powers to tell the world why religion or the bible is wrong and prayers forbidden) and what guns you can tote.

Immediately mortals are deemed unworthy of any thought differing from the TATER. One distinguishing feature of being the TATER is they love to spend endless hours spinning in their litter boxes. Then they get up and shake and proceed to scamper looking for something to spin.

The advantage we poor dumb pheasants & mere mortals have is being able to detect a TATER. One quickly learns to make the correlation between what they're spinning, slinging and what we're sniffing as being just scat.
 
Like you said 440, take away the assault rifles and I'm sure "fruitcakes" as you describe them will be perfectly comfortable in using what is available...like a Benelli or a model 700.

And you still have a mentally unstable person waliking around, hellbent on death and destruction with a shotgun loaded with buckshot. The results are the same and we haven't fixed the real problem of addressing the existence of aggressive mentally unstable people walking around among us.

So if this happens and the anti gun lobby now wants to ban your hunting shotgun. What now?
 
The second amendment was intended to give the people means to rise up against a government should it become oppressive and tyranical. The very government that is seeking to disarm the public by banning your firearms. In the US government eyes, this has nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with governmental control of "THE PEOPLE."
 
Most voters like myself seem to be able to accept deaths with guns in the normal day to day one here one there, we know there is no way to stop it. when it comes to mass killings it's harder to accept when most of the time because it's with guns designed for killing people. guns we have no need for.

Lets take your car example. if a killer can use a gun he can use a car correct? I suppose that's true, so lets build him car with a cow catcher on it so when he hits pedestrians it doesn't slow him down causing misses, maybe higher ground clearance so he doesn't high center on bodies, AWD of course to get back on the pavement, and bullet proof glass and armour so those killjoy cops don't ruin the fun. a car designed with the purpose of killing people, just like a gun designed to kill people.

Just because the car can kill people doesn't mean you have to kill people right? it's your right to drive a safe vehicle, besides it gives you back your man card just like a Bushmaster. so what's the difference?









Stay thirsty my friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-12 AT 07:53PM (MST)[p]But I also have a car/truck with a cow catcher... I have had many trucks set up to hit the life out of deer and elk and keep running... So should I have been denied the ability to protect my truck because some actually pulled that scenario?

The other point about the video game... Most games have all sorts of weapons in the game and from playing several different games those weapons always include a couple different hand guns, a couple shotguns, etc. They are situational guns in the game and as a result the shot gun serves nearly as important a role as any other weapon....

Ultimately we have all agreed that banning guns will not prevent it from happening, and that the same levels if not greater levels of destruction can easily be gained through a variety of different weapons choices.

So lets ban guns because maybe someday it might just save a life... But we have evidence to show that the last time the ban was in effect it had an opposite effect....

I see, it all makes perfect sense... Lets do the ban because it will make us feel like we accomplished something, but in reality when we look back on the next 5-6 years we will once again realize it was a foolish act and really only limited law abiding citizens access to certain weapons...

I would rather keep my guns and focus on the fact that there are children everyday in the this country at the age of 7 who are so out of control that they tell their parents they will kill them. Lets not consider the fact that everyday there are students and juvenile offenders who are walking free, etc. Instead of a ban on guns, fix the system that lets these individuals roam freely in society unchecked, and unregulated despite the fact that the parents, family and friends can not/do not trust the kid...
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-12 AT 08:30PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-12 AT 08:27?PM (MST)

A car designed to kill. The most absurd agruement yet 440!
Keep spinning.

The second amendment allows the people the right to weapons to protect themselves from "THE GOVERNMENT."

Do you really think the government is grieving over those dead kids or are salivating at the thought of using this incident to futher their agenda of disarming the public. Anyone with any common sense knows the answer to this question!
 
"guns we have no need for" Tell me one gun you need. Got to have for existence. You said you had 60-70 of them right. Why not limit yourself to 1 muzzleloader. Thats what kind the founders were talking about right?

"just like a gun designed to kill people" You mean like a 98' Mauser, 96'Mauser, 17' Enfield, 03A3 Springfield? I believe you could probably say about half of all guns ever made were made for one thing, killing people.
 
So a car designed to kill people is absurd but a gun designed to kill people is not? not to you maybe but to a growing majority guns designed to kill people are absurd as well. that's why in time they will be banned, again. end of story.

Could I get by with just a musket? I suppose but I don't want to. lucky for me the supreme court has ruled I can keep my guns, a luxury your Rambo guns don't enjoy. that's the thing some of you can't seem to grasp, there is a difference in guns they're not all the same. gun ownership rights do have support by the majority in every poll, the guns people call sporting arms. assult weapons do not, the majoritry favors more restrictions.

Do I have to remind you of how it works when the majority opposes you or can you remember as far back as last month? nuff said.











Stay thirsty my friends
 
Go ahead and ban assault rifles. Then when the fruitcakes resort to using shotguns, the next time this issue raises its ugly head, they'll be calling for a ban on your sporting arms 440. regardless of what the supreme court says. Rulings and amendments can be changed.

On another note the house just passed the 2013 NDAA with a vote of 315 to 107. Indefinite detention...HMMMM!
More tools to control the people to go along with their never ending effort to disarm us!
 
If there is not public support for wider gun control the supreme court will have no reason to rule against their past decisions. there is not.

Will there be someday? maybe, maybe the sun will burn out too I don't know.








Stay thirsty my friends
 
I think we need to clarify a bit here, and it's not being critical just informative.

99.9% of all actions were designed to kill people in Military applications or Law Enforcement and were later modified for the consumer market as different applications arose. Many of the most coveted designs were used for military application long before being reborn as donors in the custom market for hunting.

There are literally millions of former military weapons sitting in gun cases today that were refurbished, restored, rebuilt, or modified and are giving the owners good service and have been highly collectable for decades. This weapon isn't any different from those in that consumer models are being sold while the platform is still in service with our military. The military model can be adapted for the consumer market or permanently retired as they are replaced in the future by newer designs.

We all own guns today that were previously designed for the military.
 
So 264, are you really that dumb? You can't grasp what an assault rifle is??? Are you that new to guns? Please answer this question, it's an easy one.

WHAT DID THOSE FIRST GRADERS GET KILLED WITH???

Last week wasn't a "what if" scenario. Somebody actually did go into an elementary school and kill a whole bunch of small children with a bushmaster. IT HAPPENED. I keep forgetting some of you are stuck in the land of make believe but let's try to focus on reality for a few seconds. Was that bushmaster banned until a few short years ago?

I knew we would have trouble with comprehension here but I didn't know it would be this bad. Sometimes we need to reinvent the wheel as some of you process way slower than others. That's expected on this site and maybe that's why I keep coming back.
 
The Supreme Court is not supposed to base its findings on whats popular with the public . It is supposed to base it's findings on the constitutionality of the issue in question.

Zigga,
Oh naive one, You don't get it. During the clinton ban the evil black guns were still out there. Having a law in place stating something is illegal stops nothing as was demonstrated by the fact that the clinton ban had no positive effect on lowering gun violence. The areas with the highest amount of firearm violence are the same areas with the strictest anti-gun laws.

Still praying for you guys.

Norkal


"INVEST IN LEAD FOR THE TIMES AHEAD!"
 
Ziggy, you are the dumb one when it comes to what is a assault rifle. I will tell you what it is!

It will be any firearm that matches the decription given in the bill that Obama decides to sign. If it includes a description like the one passed, then resended, here in CA. It will include semi auto hunting rifles like the Remington 740, 7400, Browning BAR . Why not include the Win. model 97, model 12, shotguns that were used as assault weapons in both world wars and Viet Nam, Korea. You know the original "trench sweeper".

It going to depend how far your lovable liberal democrats are willing to go in their description. If you can not understand that, you are one dumb rock or just a $hit stirrer without a brass pair.

RELH
 
Thank's RELH for explaining that to Zigga,but not sure if he get's or not,but sounds like he is a sh#t stirrer.
 
My fellow hunters, gun owners, patriots, Americans. Let us not fall for the tactics of the left: Distraction, Diversion, Fear Mongering, Propoganda. They were waiting for another mass shooting or any crisis to create yet another diversion or distraction to get as much traction out of it to(Tax,Spend,Contol,Devide) us. This Gun Control debate is just like the phony "War on Woman" started by George Stephanopois at the first debate. Liberalism has destroyed our great country. It is repsonsible for every ill in our country and they don't wan't anyone pointing a finger at them for: Economy, Employment, Education, Health Care, Foreclosures, Crime Rate, Drugs, Etc. Like a majician who uses slight of hand to distract or a military opperation to divert attention, they are using Gun Control for the folowing: 1.) Distract from thier failiures past and present. 2.) Take the moral/compasionate high ground proving once again that Rep./Conservitives are mean,cruel,insensitive. 3.) Possibly impose the Assault Weapons ban. 4.) Convince more uninformed that Big Brother can fix it, make it safe, better, if you only give up a few more rights. Rigts which are antiquated, outdated, silly, uncool, etc.
It is time we stop being played and respond with the same old aruments, responses, that everyone has heard before but go on the attack assigning the blame where blame it due. Liberals and Liberalism is responsible for the destruction of America. They're Socialist, Communist, Progressive, PC, Anti-God, Anti-American Tradition, Pro-Abortion, Pro-Drug, Anti-Family, Wellfare Pushing Agenda has caused every problem America is experiencing. Millions of us must ban together and put the blame and responsibility on Liberalism, Failed Policies and at the same time stand up for our God Given Right to Buy, Own, Shoot, tachtical, hunting, sport, collectable firearms of our choosing. If I leave my wife in the camper while going hunting for the day, and there are 4 men who think they are going to have thier way with her, she can defend herself with her AR15 and a 30 round clip. My uncle can defend himself and my aunt on their ranch in Ariz from Drug Running Mexicans who cross his property with his AK47. These people who live in High Rises or Townhouses in gated communities think we all do and they fall for the Obama, MSNBC argument of..."Who realy needs to have an Assault Weapon or a rifle designed for only one reason...I Need It, I want it, and my fore fathers died for me to have it. So...let us start blaming them for the ills of society, stand up for our rights and use the same techniques the lib tards do...social media, yelling, screaming, and let's plan a "March on Washingtong". A 3 Million Man/Woman March. Let's do something and not just talk bout it. Matt
 
A 3 million man/woman march......

LMMFAO!!!

The land of make believe sounds like one big party.

Our fore-fathers died so we could have assault weapons......Hilarious!

Thanks! We hit the jackpot with this thread.
 
Zigga, I think you mean Semi Automatic Rifles, Shotguns, Pistols don't you? Since there's 24 to 25 Million People out of work because of Obama's failures, I think we can get 2 to 3 million gun owners out of work or retirees to march. Maybe some of the 40 Million on food stamps can supply the lunches? While we're there, we can hold out for answer to where Obama was when our 4 Americans were murdered in Benghazi or may get the truth about the thousands of "Assault Weapons" that Obama sold to Mexican Drug Lords and Criminals which got Brian Terry Killed. You see, your tactics to distract from Obama's failures, lies, murders and cover-ups only work on some people. Good try. LMFAO
PS - Maybe we could get Obama to tell Sean Smith's mom the truth about why he refuse to save his son life and the 3 others. Watch what she has to say about it and share - distract us from this!
 
Dear Fellow Americans, What does Obama, Dems, Liberal Media get out of the Latest War on Guns/Crisis? During the election, George Stephonopolus at the 1st debate started the phony ?War on Woman? to distract/divert attention off of the Failing Economy, Spiraling Debt, Joblessness, Gas prices and blamed the evil rich and many of you fell for it. So they wait for another crisis and Poof?.we now have the latest ?War on Guns, using the terrible sounding ?Assault Weapons? as the latest Villain. This technique to manipulate is called (Wag the Dog) technique. What do Obama and his ilk get out of it?
1.) Distraction/Diversion from/or of terrible economy, gas price, food costs, 25 million out of work, food stamp, free housing for his supporters, thousands of ?Assault Weapons Sold to Mexican Criminals, Drug Lords aka ?fast and furious?, phony billion dollar loans to solar co., failed policies, jobless rate, foreclosures, no shovel ready jobs, Benghazi Murders/cover-up. Letting GM give 75% of their business to China, Chrysler giving the Jeep manufacturing to China.
2.) Possibly get's Gun Control/Gun Grab but not really caring if he does since it's a rue. If he get's it on fine but it's more about the distraction from these other things. Gun Grab would be a bonus.
3.) Continue painting NRA, conservatives, republicans as right wing nuts. He and the socialist media see Gun Owners as the Guns and Bible Crowed, Red Necks, White Trash.
They get a lot of mileage out of this latest rue only if you fall for it. So?don't let this scum get away with it. Hold them accountable for destroying the economy,our families, education, attacking God, Christ, the Church, Gas Prices, food costs, 24 Million Unemployed, 40 Million on Food Stamps, Killing our 4 brave Americans and covering it up, killing Brian Terry and covering it up, billions of dollars to Solar Companies who then go bust, letting GM build 75% of their cars/trucks in China, Letting Chrysler build Jeeps in China. While Obama flys off to Hawaii for 2 weeks he keeps us all fighting over guns so his failures and disctruction of our country are not discussed. Sorry, can't distract this gun owner. Pass it on...Matt
 
Yea I'm hoping we are keeping in check Countries like North Korea with their Missles,with all the distractions I hope not for another 9/11 this time on the west coast.
 
>Dear Fellow Americans, What does Obama,
>Dems, Liberal Media get out
>of the Latest War on
>Guns/Crisis? During the election, George
>Stephonopolus at the 1st debate
>started the phony ?War on
>Woman? to distract/divert attention off
>of the Failing Economy, Spiraling
>Debt, Joblessness, Gas prices and
>blamed the evil rich and
>many of you fell for
>it. So they wait for
>another crisis and Poof?.we now
>have the latest ?War on
>Guns, using the terrible sounding
>?Assault Weapons? as the latest
>Villain. This technique to manipulate
>is called (Wag the Dog)
>technique. What do Obama and
>his ilk get out of
>it?
> 1.) Distraction/Diversion
>from/or of terrible economy, gas
>price, food costs, 25 million
>out of work, food stamp,
>free housing for his supporters,
>thousands of ?Assault Weapons Sold
>to Mexican Criminals, Drug Lords
>aka ?fast and furious?,
>phony billion dollar loans to
>solar co., failed policies, jobless
>rate, foreclosures, no shovel ready
>jobs, Benghazi Murders/cover-up. Letting GM
>give 75% of their business
>to China, Chrysler giving the
>Jeep manufacturing to China.
> 2.) Possibly
>get's Gun Control/Gun Grab but
>not really caring if he
>does since it's a rue.
>If he get's it on
>fine but it's more about
>the distraction from these other
>things. Gun Grab would be
>a bonus.
> 3.) Continue
>painting NRA, conservatives, republicans as
>right wing nuts. He
>and the socialist media see
>Gun Owners as the Guns
>and Bible Crowed, Red Necks,
>White Trash.
> They get a
>lot of mileage out of
>this latest rue only if
>you fall for it. So?don't
>let this scum get away
>with it. Hold them accountable
>for destroying the economy,our families,
>education, attacking God, Christ, the
>Church, Gas Prices, food costs,
>24 Million Unemployed, 40 Million
>on Food Stamps, Killing our
>4 brave Americans and covering
>it up, killing Brian Terry
>and covering it up, billions
>of dollars to Solar Companies
>who then go bust, letting
>GM build 75% of their
>cars/trucks in China, Letting Chrysler
>build Jeeps in China. While
>Obama flys off to Hawaii
>for 2 weeks he keeps
>us all fighting over guns
>so his failures and disctruction
>of our country are not
>discussed. Sorry, can't distract this
>gun owner. Pass it on...Matt
>


So basically Barry had a hit put on a bunch of first graders to bring up the second amendment to distract all of us from the economy. That's frickin brilliant. You cracked the case. This post is an award winner.

WOW!!!
 
Nimrod you're right the supreme court does not decide based on public opinion, but we have hints as to what the opinion of the most conservative judge on the bench thinks. it's not looking good for Rambo.


I just watched Lapierre get his azz handed to him in an interview. he said the NRA was open to ANYTHING that could reduce gun deaths, but he could not see any chance banning clips holding over 10 rounds could reduce the death toll. that's is illogical to anyone with an IQ over 10, any credibility he had was discredited.

He made some good points, but it's the same old NRA making the same old unfounded claims. then the libs had their chance to make unfounded claims to the contrary. the only difference I see is the gun control crowd cannot be absolutists because of the constitution but the NRA can be absolutists and are. this means the NRA will be the loser it's just a matter of when the votes are in place in congress.

The majority always prevail in a free country.











Stay thirsty my friends
 
Our system of government was to be a "Representitive Republic" not a democracy. We should have representivives at the local, state and federal level who do the right thing based on our constitution, and common sense to keep the "majority" from destroying our society but it is falling apart due to Liberalism, Greed, Corruption. Slick, the Dems, and Lap Dog Media have used Pop Culture to manipulate and/or bribe the lazy, uniformed, corrupt, good intentioned, and our youth. They have used entitelments, wellfare, like Crack Dealers use drugs to "Hook" the user. These Liberal, Progressive, Socialists have destroyed every city they have controled. Compare the cities and states where the "Majority" of the masses are conservitive. Once again, don't let Obama's Media distract us with what was first the phony "War on Woman". They laid in wait for this latest "Crisis"...they love a good crisis...to either; TAX, SPEND and GROW GOV, IMPOSE NEW REGULATIONS, which strips more power and rights from the citizen and gives more power/control to a Gov. that is corrupt and has us working for them instead of them working for us. This latest Crisis like the war on woman is designed to (1.Distract from Liberal Failures, 2.Blame Guns/Clips for Mental Illness,Hatred,& Evil, 3."Paint" gun owners who want/need semi-autos as Nuts,Waccos,Rambo's, and
4. Strip more of our God Given Rigths away. They love using "EMOTION", "NAME CALLING", "FEAR", "Race Baiting", "Class Warfare", to manipulate the uniformed. Here's a web site showing what Obama has allowed with General Motors proving they are giving China 75% of their manufacturing business. Watch, save, share -
 
I support a "Womans Right to Choose". Democrat, Liberal, Progresive Socialists want to take her rights away and this is so wrong. You see, she and her husband own a Jewelry Store in Downtown Los Angeles. When Obama Supporters & Gangs start to Riot/Loot/Rape/Rob, this pretty little lady and her husband can defend their store. They can stop Obama Voters from Robing, Raping, and killing them. The Obama Voters will have to go down to the store owned by the Democrats who are not armed to Rob,Rape and Kill him and his wife. The Communist Liberals will call her what...RAMBA? I Support a Womans Right to Choose. Democrats can give their wives a 6 shot 38 or a 5 shot 2 3/4 bird gun. After all...that's all she realy needs right?
Oh, here's the new pledge of Allegiance written by Slick - "I Pledge Allegiance to the Koran, of the United Arab Emirates, and to the Caliphate for which it stands, One World Order, Under Allah, Indivisible, with Sharia, and Burkas for all.? ~ Barack Hussein Obama
P.s.s - Sean Hannity TV Interview with Charles Woods Family talking about Obama letting their son be killed in Bengahzi. Watch, Save, Share - http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hanni...ibya-demands-truth-from-wh/?playlist_id=86924
 
Don?t be Fooled or Distracted by these Obama Operatives! What does Obama, Dems, Liberal Media get out of the Latest War on Guns/Crisis? Remember back during the election, George Stephanopoulos at the 1st debate started the phony ?War on Woman? to distract/divert attention off of Obama?s/Democrats Failing Economy, Spiraling Debt, 25 Million Jobless, Gas prices, 40 Million on Food Stamps, Free Housing, Free Cell Phones, and blamed the evil rich, banks and wall street for all their failed schemes/policies and many fell for it who voted for this bum. Remember is was a Rue, a Distraction, a Diversion?.If you would like links to proof of the lies, broken promises, facts, please PM me.
So these socialists wait for another crisis to use and Poof?.we now have the latest ?War/Crisis? now it's on Guns, using the terrible sounding ?Assault Weapons? to blame and use to get other things. This technique to manipulate is called (Wag the Dog). What do Obama, his lap dog media, these socialist, progressive, God Hating Scum get out of it?
1.Distraction/Diversion from/or of terrible economy, gas price, food costs, 25 million out of work, food stamp, free housing for his supporters, thousands of ?Assault Weapons Sold to Mexican Criminals, Drug Lords aka ?fast and furious?, phony billion dollar loans to solar co., failed policies, jobless rate, foreclosures, no shovel ready jobs, Benghazi Murders/cover-up. Letting GM give 75% of their business to China, Chrysler giving the Jeep manufacturing to China.
2.Possibly get's Gun Control, Gun Grab but not really caring if he does?it a rue. If he get's it on fine but it's more about the distraction off these other things. Gun Grab would be a bonus.
3.Continue painting NRA, conservatives, republicans as right wing nuts. He and the socialist media see Gun Owners as the Guns and Bible Crowed, Red Necks, White Trash.
4.They will try to get a lot of mileage out of this latest War/Crisis only if you allow them to rope you in and not fight back with the issues they don't want us discuss.
Liberals, Liberalism, Progressives, Socialists, Politically Correct, Christian Hating, Gun Grabbing, Oil Blocking, Democrats are responsible for every Social, Economic, Educational, Societal, Depravity we are witnessing today and they want us arguing about everything but these things.
Don?t let them do it. Share this, teach it to your children and grandchildren so we can look squarely at what has destroyed America and then work to fix it. PM me for lots of links to argue with and prove Dems and Obama have failed and/or destroyed our beautiful country. STAND AND FIGHT BACK.
 
Zigga, Recourses? LOL....Most important is History, it repeats itself you know.... NY Times, Canadian News, BBC, Fox News, MSNBC to stay up on the enemy, Inprimis/Hilsdale College, Rush Limbaugh News Letter, lots of books, periodicals, magazines, business/financial/real estate journals, talking to friends, family, customers from all over the world as to current events, politics, economy, etc..over the last 30+ years and I'm now 51. Where do you get yours, George Sorros, the Huffington Post?
 
Does Obama Cry When He Kills Pakistani Children in his Drone Strike? 170 killed over the last 7 years! Maybe he could have used these drones to save our 4 Americans in Benghazi? What was he doing while they were being murdered, sodomized, drug through the street like a dog? Aloha Slick! We'll argue guns while you golf?ok?
A report of the New America Foundation revealed that President Obama has ?authorized 193 drone strikes in Pakistan, more than four times the number of attacks that President Bush authorized during his two terms.? The report explained, as many as 170 children have been killed in drone strikes in Pakistan during the past seven years. When the U.S. drones attack Pakistan?s tribal areas, it is not just the 10, or 50, innocent civilians they kill, these killings provide reason to youth for joining terrorist groups waging war against the U.S. and of course Pakistan?while killing 10 militants, the U.S. has murdered more than 1,400 Pakistanis not involved in any terrorist activities. Could it not be inferred that it gave birth to another 1,400 militants?? Don't worry Mr. President, we won't talk about such matters while your away. We're busy arguing about "Gun Control" and the definition of "Assault Weapons". Resource for Zigga - http://www.globalresearch.ca/killing-civilians-obamas-drone-war-in-pakistan/5315661
 
>Does Obama Cry When He Kills
>Pakistani Children in his Drone
>Strike? 170 killed over the
>last 7 years! Maybe he
>could have used these drones
>to save our 4 Americans
>in Benghazi? What was he
>doing while they were being
>murdered, sodomized, drug through the
>street like a dog? Aloha
>Slick! We'll argue guns while
>you golf?ok?
>A report of the New America
>Foundation revealed that President Obama
>has ?authorized 193 drone strikes
>in Pakistan, more than four
>times the number of attacks
>that President Bush authorized during
>his two terms.? The report
>explained, as many as 170
>children have been killed in
>drone strikes in Pakistan during
>the past seven years. When
>the U.S. drones attack Pakistan?s
>tribal areas, it is not
>just the 10, or 50,
>innocent civilians they kill, these
>killings provide reason to youth
>for joining terrorist groups waging
>war against the U.S. and
>of course Pakistan?while killing 10
>militants, the U.S. has murdered
>more than 1,400 Pakistanis not
>involved in any terrorist activities.
>Could it not be inferred
>that it gave birth to
>another 1,400 militants?? Don't worry
>Mr. President, we won't talk
>about such matters while your
>away. We're busy arguing about
>"Gun Control" and the definition
>of "Assault Weapons". Resource for
>Zigga - http://www.globalresearch.ca/killing-civilians-obamas-drone-war-in-pakistan/5315661


So instead of drone strikes to kill known terrorist leaders we should put boots on the ground?? How many soldiers of ours would die in the process? And you're still throwing a fit about the 4 people killed in Bengazai??

Huh??
 

Meaningful contributions?? There are so many holes in Wayne's statements I don't know where to begin. Why didn't he just require that we train cops to teach kids? Problem solved.

Our military is equipped with guns made to kill a lot of people quickly. Don't try to tell me that these same assault weapons are less deadly than a sawed off shotgun .22 semi-auto, .45 etc. If that's the case then why is our military using bushmaster style weapons? In wingnut land our military is at a disadvantage. hmmmm??

10:10 and on is funny. Thanks 440. Simple math baby but Wayne will argue otherwise. If Wayne and the NRA are here to protect gun rights then we're screwed with the arguments they are putting out.

So now psychiatrists are responsible for our safety and we're supposed to throw even more bad guys in jail??

This could be the beginning of the end for the NRA unless they get some common sense. I love how Wayne avoided answering simple questions. Funny and sad.
 
Zigga, your hero...Bill Clinton...the greatest president in the History of the US, seems to agree with the Wayne/NRA...sorry. He's much smarter then you and Obama so MSNBC, CBS, ABC, & Ariana Huffinton. Who's laughing now? I love the internet. Today, the same elite media who no doubt send their own kids to private schools that employ armed security, just can't stop howling ridicule at the NRA's idea to give every student in America those same protections. Because the NRA's idea is so appealing, as I write this, the media's going overboard, mocking it as bizarre, crazy, and out of touch. Well, the Greatest Liberal President of all times wanted to do the same thing a the NRA. Merry Christmas my fellow Americans. Read and Share! How's that MSMBC? Lets address mental illness, Obama voters being let out of prison early, Video Games of killing, attacks on Christianity, Pop Culture, State run schools, have caused the destruction of our country. When a mob of Obama supporter Riot, Rub, and kill..I want my wife, kids and myself to be armed with an AR15 or AK47 with multiple 30 to 40 round clips so the Obama supporters go to the Democrats house or store and Rob, Rape, and kill them. Merry Christmas. Facts suck, huh?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/21/Flashback-Clinton-Cops-in-Schools
 
>Zigga, your hero...Bill Clinton...the greatest president
>in the History of the
>US, seems to agree with
>the Wayne/NRA...sorry. He's much smarter
>then you and Obama so
>MSNBC, CBS, ABC, & Ariana
>Huffinton. Who's laughing now? I
>love the internet. Today, the
>same elite media who no
>doubt send their own kids
>to private schools that employ
>armed security, just can't stop
>howling ridicule at the NRA's
>idea to give every student
>in America those same protections.
>Because the NRA's idea is
>so appealing, as I write
>this, the media's going overboard,
>mocking it as bizarre, crazy,
>and out of touch. Well,
>the Greatest Liberal President of
>all times wanted to do
>the same thing a the
>NRA. Merry Christmas my fellow
>Americans. Read and Share! How's
>that MSMBC? Lets address mental
>illness, Obama voters being let
>out of prison early, Video
>Games of killing, attacks on
>Christianity, Pop Culture, State run
>schools, have caused the destruction
>of our country. When a
>mob of Obama supporter Riot,
>Rub, and kill..I want my
>wife, kids and myself to
>be armed with an AR15
>or AK47 with multiple 30
>to 40 round clips so
>the Obama supporters go to
>the Democrats house or store
>and Rob, Rape, and kill
>them. Merry Christmas. Facts suck,
>huh?
>http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/21/Flashback-Clinton-Cops-in-Schools



So Clinton doesn't want high capacity clips and military style weapons banned? How do they agree again?
Putting cops in schools is still not a new idea. The NRA wants to think so and who is against the idea? It would be a great start among numerous other things like banning certain weapons, mental evaluations, cracking down on criminals, banning violent video games/movies, better parenting, incorporating family values etc.....the list goes on. To think one thing will solve this problem shows how narrow minded you wingdings are.

Your point was what again?
 
Lets be honest, There are millions of high capacity mags out there. There are millions of "assault rifles" out there. So if we ban them today all will be good?!
So we cant be honest about this can we? The old ban you could have 10 round clips so you just had to change clips faster and that takes a couple seconds. A ban didn't work before and it wont work in the future all it does is make certain people feel good.
Lets not talk about mental illness, over medication of kids, violent movies and video games.
Zigga you are intellectually dishonest or you just like to stir the pot, either way I like the discussion, just wish it was honest.
 
>Lets be honest, There are millions
>of high capacity mags out
>there. There are millions of
>"assault rifles" out there. So
>if we ban them today
>all will be good?!
>So we cant be honest about
>this can we? The old
>ban you could have 10
>round clips so you just
>had to change clips faster
>and that takes a couple
>seconds. A ban didn't work
>before and it wont work
>in the future all it
>does is make certain people
>feel good.
>Lets not talk about mental illness,
>over medication of kids, violent
>movies and video games.
>Zigga you are intellectually dishonest or
>you just like to stir
>the pot, either way I
>like the discussion, just wish
>it was honest.


+ 1
 
Just another Distraction by Obama Zombies, like the phony ?War on Woman?. Keep us arguing about this while Slick Golfs in Hawaii. He has no qualms about killing 170 children in Afganistan over the last 7 years! He's Scum. Let's not discuss the following...
?Stand Down? Order, Killings, Benghazi.
?Fast & Furious, Killing of Brian Terry.
1 out of 6 Americans in Poverty & Growing.
50 Million Americans on Food Stamps & Growing.
16% of Country Under-Employed
27% of Black Living In Poverty, More ?Inequality?
Med. Income 2009-$54,983, Now - $50,964
GDP 2009 ? 5.3%, Now - 1.3% last 4 months
Gas ? 2009- $1.84, Now - $5.00 to $6.00
Debt ? 2009 - 10.6 Billion, Now -16 Billion +
Food Stamps ? 2009 -31.9 million, Now - 46.7 million
Drop in Global Competitiveness from #1 in 2008 to now #7
Manufacturing has dropped for last 3 Years.
Regan GDP ? 7.4% , Obama 1.3% = Negative GROWTH
Regan took Carters 10.4% Unemployment to 5.5%.
 
>Just another Distraction by Obama Zombies,
>like the phony ?War on
>Woman?. Keep us arguing about
>this while Slick Golfs in
>Hawaii. He has no qualms
>about killing 170 children in
>Afganistan over the last 7
>years! He's Scum. Let's not
>discuss the following...
>?Stand Down? Order, Killings, Benghazi.
>?Fast & Furious, Killing of Brian
>Terry.
>1 out of 6 Americans in
>Poverty & Growing.
>50 Million Americans on Food Stamps
>& Growing.
>16% of Country Under-Employed
>27% of Black Living In Poverty,
>More ?Inequality?
>Med. Income 2009-$54,983, Now -
>$50,964
>GDP 2009 ? 5.3%, Now
>- 1.3% last 4 months
>
>Gas ? 2009- $1.84, Now
>- $5.00 to $6.00
>Debt ? 2009 - 10.6 Billion,
> Now -16 Billion +
>
>Food Stamps ? 2009 -31.9 million,
> Now - 46.7 million
>
>Drop in Global Competitiveness from #1
>in 2008 to now #7
>
>Manufacturing has dropped for last 3
>Years.
>Regan GDP ? 7.4% ,
>Obama 1.3% = Negative GROWTH
>
>Regan took Carters 10.4% Unemployment to
>5.5%.
+1 Zigga you should watch more than one channel on your tv
 
3 Armed Scum Bag Obama Voters tried doing a Home Invasion in Sacramento on Friday. There were children in the home having a sleep over. The father was shot but was able to shoot all three, killing one. The father and the two wounded Obama Voters are in the hospital. Lets see - 3 armed men with 10 rounds each = 30 rounds against one man with a 30 round clip in his AK47 or AR15...sounds like the childrens father had a fighting chance to save his family and the other children sleeping over. Thank you NRA. You won't be seeing this story on MSNBC. That's why I'm at my post today. Merry Christmas, M

http://www.news10.net/news/article/...s-one-dead-in-Sacramentos-Pocket-neighborhood
 
You guys try to make it sound like you make perfect sense. Maybe in your world but you can kiss your AKs goodbye if you don't have any valid points to keep them. Not my rule, just reality. You got spanked in the elections because reality eluded you and you and the NRA are about to get an asswhooping you won't soon forget because you don't want to be part of the solution. It's not about stopping gun violence, it's about lessening the problems that come with it. Guns are here to stay so focus on keeping things from getting worse. With the wingnut mentality from you guys and the nra it's only going to expedite new gun control laws. You are slow learners so I won't be expecting much so good luck. It's going to be a painful ride.
 
Gee! I be darn, it seems Ziggy is now honest enough to admit that Obama and liberal Democrats are going to try harsh gun control by confiscating firearms. Took you long enough to admit it as you have been defending them in the past.

RELH
 
>Gee! I be darn, it seems
>Ziggy is now honest enough
>to admit that Obama and
>liberal Democrats are going to
>try harsh gun control by
>confiscating firearms. Took you long
>enough to admit it as
>you have been defending them
>in the past.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH


Huh?
 
Dear Fellow Patriots, we just chewed up Zigga and spit him out. He's been found out as an Obama Operative to further the distraction off Obama's Distructive Admin, Failed Policies, the Murders in Benghazi, Killing Brian Terry, just here to as some have said to "Stir the #####" to trying to get us to argue our Big Bad Guns. He is a plant like the thousands of plants out there that spread the "Part Line"...thier talking points. Keep these points in mind when you come across this dribble.
1. These people are doing this to distract away from Obama's and Dem. failures, gas price, Cover-ups, allowing Iran to build nukes, killing 170 children with drone strikes, 25 milliom unempoloyment, 40 million on food stamps, their attack on God, the Church and Christianiy. They want to control the debate so don't let them. Attack with facts on Economy, the distruction of the family with wellfare, taxation, spending, waste, fraud, cover-ups, etc. Stop defending and playing defense. ATTACK, take the offense. NO MORE DISTRACTIONS, DIVERSIONS. Aint that rigt ZIGGA? Try a new tack that works. You've been found out.
 
Zigga most of us here on this site HAVE GOD FAMILY AND FRIENDS, YOU HAVE OBAMA! GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. MERRY XMAS TRULY WALT
 
John Kennedy & Ronald Reagan insisted on lowering taxes for all Americans and in this picture JFK is holding a "Semi Automatic Rifle" an M16 or AR15. Please read his words, save, share. So....Obama wants to tax the EVIL RICH...Kennedy/Reagan insisted we lower taxes on all Americans. Obama, Socialists, Progressives wants to Ban the gun that Kennedy and Reagan loved for Americans. Obama vs Kennedy and Reagan...who's wrong? Well?Who's the Socialist? Who?s the Gun Grabbing Scum Bag? Right...the same man that killed our four Americans in Benghazi and Brian Terry.

1464kennedy_and_guns.jpg
 
Now was that picture of JFK taken before or after his assassination? Oh the irony.....

Looks like a big chunk of sky fell down and hit you in the head nutcase. Speeding up the gun control process I see. When will you learn?
 
Matt you're the perfect example of a person who should not own an assult rifle. maybe not even a Ruger No 1.

And for that we thank you.
















Stay thirsty my friends
 
>Now was that picture of JFK
>taken before or after his
>assassination? Oh the irony.....
>
>Looks like a big chunk of
>sky fell down and hit
>you in the head nutcase.
> Speeding up the gun
>control process I see.
>When will you learn?


Zigga that picture of JFK was before he was shot otherwise he would have half his brains tied behind his back,you were born after he was shot?
 
Ziggie, did you really just ask if the picture was taken before or after JFK was shot? That's what a Liberal Education does to a brain...what a perfect example of why we're in the mess we're in...you idiot and you too Butt-Packer, there you go again like Liberal, Progressive, Democratic Socialists deciding who and who shouldn't own a Semi-Auto, who shouldn't drink a 32 oz coke, who gets from the Gov. and who will will it be taken from. How Arrogant! You must have gone to college to be so stupid and elitist...like our Murdering Muslim Loving President and Nancy Palosi.
You're oppinions and beliefs have failed every where they've been tried and got close to 25 Million Jews, Christians, Poles, Russians, the Elderly and Physically/mentally challanged murdered by a Man who used hate and fear like Obama Bin Laden. If only the citizens of Europe owned "Assault Weapons" they would have destroyed Obama's hero and mentor. How does it feel to have a belief system that has failed everywhere it's been tried...including the US.
 
Dear Fellow Americans, Sorry Piggie and Butt Pack - another great story for the good guys - A story you won't hear about in most of the liberal media.
A gunman entered a San Antonio, Texas Movie Theater on December 17, 2012, but found out the hard way it was NOT a gun-free zone. Rather than it becoming a story about dozens of people shot or killed, it became an example of what an armed ?good guy? can do when a bad guy comes walking in.
In this case, the ?good guy? was an off-duty Sheriff?s deputy at the theater. Sgt. Lisa Cuello Castellano shot the gunman multiple times before he could shoot anyone in the theater. She has been awarded the ?Medal of Valor? for her heroism. Another off-duty officer at the theater, Armondo Olguin, was also recognized for helping to apprehend the gunman.

http://ramparts360.com/off-duty-female-deputy-shoots-gunman-at-san-antonio-movie-theater/
 
An off duty officer shoots a gunman, well hell that's it a sawed off shotgun for everyone.

Dancermango , you make Manny look like a rocket scientist. you are excatly the type of goober that caused the NRA to shut down it's social media after the shootings. you're the anti gunners best weapon, a freak job they can use as an example of a gun owner.





Stay thirsty my friends
 

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