Party application?

[ihuntelk]

Looked at the rules booklet and I'm still confused.
My buddy and I are looking at applying as a party. I have a couple more points than him. Do they round up, round down, take the lowest individual point # and assign it to the group??????

Last year there was only 1 guaranteed NR (regular permit) tag for the Muzzleloader hunt. Will we be thrown out before they even draw since there was only 1 tag, or do they make exceptions and give us 2?

If there are no 'Bonus' permits for the last 3 or 4 years, how do they determine when/if a Bonus permit will be available for that particular hunt? Based on the last few years, I should draw if there were a Bonus permit but I haven't seen any for this hunt and might change strategy to a unit I can be 'guaranteed' to draw.
Thanks for the help.

-Cade

 

[highcountryfever]

If there is only one tag for the unit and you apply as a group you are wasting your money. It is an all or nothing for groups and if there aren't enough tags for the entire group, nobody get them. (Assuming you had the points to draw.)

It has always been my understanding that they round down. So if you had 7 and your buddy had 4 it would look like this: (7+4)/2=5 points for the group. And as I understand it there has to be at least 50% of the tags allocated for the regular draw, so there would need to be at least 2 tags for 1 of them to be considered for bonus points.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[coyoteslayer]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-14 AT 01:13PM (MST)[p]I think you are right, except I think they round up not down.

 

[Trix4me]

Utah rounds down for sure!

 

[hornkiller]

Round up LMFAO!

 

[JRABQ]

AZ rounds up from 0.5, but not Utah.

 

[ihuntelk]

Thanks for the responses. I finally found the verbiage. Looks like they definitely round down and it is pointless to apply for a permit if there are no Bonus permits available for that unit.
Here's the link:
http://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting-in.../683-applying-for-a-hunting-permit-as-a-group

Thanks,
-Cade

 

[nocwalker]

Cade, by your last response I get the feeeling your still not understanding Bonus Permits.

If there are 2 NR tags in a unit, 1 tag goes into the Bonus permit draw and 1 permit goes into the General permit draw.

The "Bonus Permit" is drawn from the apps with the most preference points.

Then the other tag is drawn from all remaining applicants.

Example:

3 PP's---- 12 apps
2 PP's---- 28 apps
1 PP --- 65 apps
0 PP's --- 214 apps

2 permits available

1 permit will be a bonus permit.
That permit will be drawn by one of the 12 - 3 pp applicants.

The other permit will be drawn by the rest of applicate left including the remaining 11 3pp apps.

So, if your not a top PP holder , there must be atleast 2 non-bonus permit available.

I would suggest that you apply where there are 6 or more tags after the bonus draw. In this case that would mean that there are atleast 11 or 12 nr tags available for the draw.

Good luck, hope that helps. nocwalker

 

[ihuntelk]

Thanks for the extra info and it does help. I've got a pretty good idea of how the Bonus permits work, just not as they relate to NR party apps. Each state is a little different and I wasn't sure on Utah's regs. Makes it hard, and pointless, to apply as a party for a hunt when there's only 1 NR tag. Just making sure I wasn't throwing my time after something that isn't even a possibility.
Thanks again,
-Cade