Question for Nemont

CAforkedhorn · Jan 31, 2019

Since today was a rainy day I wasn't able to get out and do much on the list that NVBighorn so graciously prepared for me so I did some archival research. In looking for something totally unrelated I ran across this statement that you made back in 2014.

" I voted for Bush twice, not proud of my second vote but the dems put up such a terrible candidate I didn't see where I had a choice."

That got my eyebrows raised a bit because of this statement you made a few weeks ago.

"You are a sheeple, a stooge, a useful idiot of the R's because you believe you only have 2 choices. If neither candidate put forth by the two dominate parties is worth a shyt, then Americans should not just go along. I see you aren't much of an American and don't believe your vote is something to be cherished instead of just cast for anybody the R's put forward. That is what D's do and you are just like them only worse. You believe anybody who doesn't whore out their vote is Anti American. The only Anti American on here is you."

So... I'm not trying to start shyt or be an ##### but it definitely sounds like your first statement is much like what a lot of people on here that voted for Trump did with their vote. I mean couldn't you have written someone in back then? I mean in 2016 the Dems put up a terrible candidate so what choice did Republican voters really have?

I'm just looking for a simple explanation on this. Maybe you've changed your mind since 2014, but I think if that was the case you wouldn't have worded your second statement so harshly. I think it would have been more like, "I used to believe I only had two choices but have since changed my position and now believe I should vote for who I believe is the best candidate even though it is not possible for them to win."

So if you haven't changed your mind about "whoring" out votes, which is it because I feel like there's been numerous times where you blasted people for voting for Trump because they had no other choice but you did the same thing apparently back then???

264mag · Jan 31, 2019

Thank you Forky

YBO · Jan 31, 2019

I'll second that.

NVBighorn · Jan 31, 2019

My daughter tells me that knitting is a good hobby for rainy days when you can't get out.

just sayin

CAforkedhorn · Jan 31, 2019

How old is your daughter 70?

NVBighorn · Jan 31, 2019

>How old is your daughter 70?
>

Maybe. Lol. About half that but she enjoys knitting and making stuff.

RELH · Jan 31, 2019

Oh my! it can not be true that the great advisor Nemont would flip flop like a Democrat on such an important issue he has made that out to be. Must be fake news.

RELH

eelgrass · Jan 31, 2019

It's been nice weather here, but nobody sent me a list so I took a nap.

TDS is rampant.

CAforkedhorn · Jan 31, 2019

Well now you know Eel that next time you can knit. It's on the list of cool things to do you know!!

Homer · Jan 31, 2019

no offense to anyone....but I'd much rather knit than thumb thru these archives......

GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...

NVBighorn · Jan 31, 2019

>no offense to anyone....but I'd much
>rather knit than thumb thru
>these archives......
>
>
>

>GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans
>-- when they're dead...

Ed Zachary

eelgrass · Jan 31, 2019

Thumbing thru the archives can be profitable......at times. Other times, not so much.

DW · Jan 31, 2019

I'm waitin on a pic of NV's daughter.

#livelikezac

CAforkedhorn · Jan 31, 2019

You have a thing for 70 year old women that knit?

grizzly · Jan 31, 2019

>
>You have a thing for 70
>year old women that knit?
>

Oh good, you're logged on caforkhorn. Jump on over to the thread you started and put your money where your mouth is. I'm in if you are.

Grizzly

Forthewall · Jan 31, 2019

Your answer lies in your own question Forkie, it should be evident. These are not apple to apple elections.

The 2004 Bush v Kerry election had no options as the there were no other Republican candidates, Bush jr went as an unchallenged incumbent. (Apple)

In 2016 the GOP had primaries, so there were choices to be had. (Orange) Even I detest Hillsy enough not to support or vote for her, but the GOP mistake happened in their primaries. Trump's circus should have revolted not energized true Republicans which explains "Never Trump". The logical pick across the board was Kasich and every poll showed he could win easily.

I wrote in my vote for Sanders, but living in a super red state and given Trump was a candidate I had that luxury to do the right thing. It would have been a very difficult election if I lived in a swing state and I had to choose between the 2 worst candidates to ever disgrace the national stage.

gleninaz · Jan 31, 2019

You voted for a socialist? Wherever you live just stay there so your stupidity doesn't infect working people. You actually believe that taking every cent from the top 1% would pay for the programs old Bernie is pushing?

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-19 AT 09:08AM (MST)[p]
Ca,

Here is why I voted for Bush twice. 1. He wasn't a preening douche who would do lasting and permanent harm to the conservative cause.

2. Bush was a war time president who may have made a shyt show of things in Iraq but hindsight is 20/20 but he was CINC on 9/11 just a few short months after being Sworn into office. That left a last impression on me that he was a very compassionate, decent human being who deserved respect. I can't say I can find anything to respect Trump for from his personal conduct to his political conduct, maybe your mileage varies.

Now if you believe the election of 2016 was the same choice we had in 2000 between GWB vs Al Gore or in 2004 between GWB vs. John Kerry then that is your opinion, have it.

Both candidates were a complete and total waste of space, time and support in 2016. Also I don't devote my life to GWB like most on here have to Trump, they believe his every claim, tweet and utterance as fact, ergo the sheeple comment. I called GWB out on the debt, his losing focus on Afghanistan and eventually the Iraq war which now shows it to have emboldened Iran, unleashed ISIS and created chaos in the ME.

I give you Aspenadventure, he on your side and he posts outright fabrications that come directly from Trump and even you Trump supporters are so tired of defending him that he has post and then answer himself. And his is typical of the Trump supporters who believe Trump is the greatest president in history. I never uttered such words about GWB, he was a decent human who wanted what is best for the country.

Bush didn't declare himself the greatest, brightest, super best at everything, claim he was smarter then all the generals, smarter than intelligence agency professionals, he didn't "wing it". GWB has great advisors and heeded their advice, who does Trump listen to and what experience do they have?

If you couldn't see the handwriting on the wall that a Trump administration would be a continual shyt show because his need to have his ego massaged then I can't help you.

Tell me specific what redeeming quality drew to vote for Trump and what keeps you loyal to his cause? Is it that he claims he alone will deal with illegals? If that is the only reason then you can have him and support him. I can't imagine a scenario where I would vote for him unless my choice was to become throw out our Constitution or vote for Trump.

Nemont

Homer · Feb 1, 2019

so how did you call out GWB on the debt???

I'd like to know how it's done so I can call out Trump on it...Did it work??

GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-19 AT 09:15AM (MST)[p]Fairly easy call: a spade a spade and don't give Trump the political cover of "Yeah but he wants a wall so everything else doesn't matter". Maybe you are just a victim of the system too?

Can you find where supporting Republicans blindly leads to lower debt? If so then maybe you are on to something, if the Republican party only has to run somebody "better" then a democrat because they know you will vote for them regardless, what incentive does that give them to change?

Call it TDS if you want or call me a liberal if that makes you feel like a man or tell me that Trump didn't start the debt or that you simply will stand by Trump no matter what. The facts are this, we had a Republican president and Republican majorities in the Congress and in a growing economy are still adding a Trillion a year to the debt. We got to that place based almost solely on Trump's ideas of how to run this government and his priorities and agenda.

Why do you think the House now has Pelosi as speaker again?

Nemont

Homer · Feb 1, 2019

Can you find where writing in a protest vote leads to lower debt?

GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

Can you find where rubber stamping a candidate lowers the debt?

Nemont

Bob D. · Feb 1, 2019

Kasich!? You can't be serious? That guy's a complete joke. He would've done NOTHING about the illegal immigration problem. He's no better than most Democrats.

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

>Kasich!? You can't be serious?
>That guy's a complete joke.
>He would've done NOTHING about
>the illegal immigration problem. He's
>no better than most Democrats.
>

You understand how the electoral college actually works, right? Or are you so far in with Trump that you checked in your brain?

Nemont

Bob D. · Feb 1, 2019

>>Kasich!? You can't be serious?
>>That guy's a complete joke.
>>He would've done NOTHING about
>>the illegal immigration problem. He's
>>no better than most Democrats.
>>
>
>You understand how the electoral college
>actually works, right?
>Or are you so far
>in with Trump that you
>checked in your brain?
>
>
>
>Nemont

I didn't even mention the electoral college in my comment. I guess you quoted the wrong person?

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

Okay you are relatively new here so I will give you a pass. Here is a hint for you, somebody gets attacked on here for writing in John Kasich, That somebody also thinks Trump is as going lasting and permanent harm to the conservative cause in this nation.

Trump's way of doing business is paving the way for a liberal whack job president because the crazy is becoming the norm in the White House.

Nemont

opbuckslayer · Feb 1, 2019

So as long as we elect progressive republicans the conservative cause is in great shape? Please elaborate on that??‍

264mag · Feb 1, 2019

>Okay you are relatively new here
>so I will give you
>a pass. Here is
>a hint for you, somebody
>gets attacked on here for
>writing in John Kasich,
>That somebody also thinks Trump
>is as going lasting and
>permanent harm to the conservative
>cause in this nation.
>
>Trump's way of doing business is
>paving the way for a
>liberal whack job president because
>the crazy is becoming the
>norm in the White House.
>
>
>Nemont

?

CAforkedhorn · Feb 1, 2019

Nemont, your explanation for why you did it is fine but that's not the point. The point is that you said you didn't have a choice which is really not true is it? You could have written in anyone's name in 2004 if you didn't like either candidate but you didn't. Now 12 years later you blast someone for voting for Trump because they didn't have much of a choice either.

Is it not possible that whoever voted for Trump thought that maybe what the country needed was someone that wasn't a politician? I mean it's not like politicians have been stellar presidents right? So the only real choices were either politicians or someone who isn't a politician and you hypocritically destroy people for voting for the non politician.

You claim that whoring out your vote is unAmerican but in reality that is exactly what you did in 2004 if you didn't like Bush. He was just the lesser of two evils in your opinion yet everyone that thought the same thing of Trump in 2016 is unAmerican? It's quite possible that those same people won't vote for Trump in 2020 based on his performance to date but even if they did, it really would be no different than what you did in 2004.

I'm sorry but the only thing I can chalk up the hypocrisy to is TDS. I have no problem with you blasting someone for voting for a particular candidate and that candidate sucks but to blast someone for the idea that they voted for the lesser of two evils is hypocritical. Everyone has a reason for choosing who they vote for and you claiming that your reason is more valid than the next guy's is kind of bullshyt.

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

>So as long as we elect
>progressive republicans the conservative cause
>is in great shape? Please
>elaborate on that??‍

Do you understand how the Electoral College works?

So you are claiming that Trump is a conservative dream president or is he even a Republican? Elaborate on that.

Explain how electing Trump is going to play out? I guarantee you the Conservatives who support Trump have forever given up any future whining about fiscal discipline. They have forever given up any high ground on deficit, debt and sound monetary policy.

Nemont

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-19 AT 01:48PM (MST)[p]Ca,

I "destroy" people, have you taken 5 minutes to see what is said on here about people on here? If anyone on here feels "destroyed" by me on this forum then they need to leave and take up a different past time that doesn't involve their feelings.

I think Trump is an ongoing disaster for conservatives and will continue to bash those who continue the undying support of him no matter what he does.

My choice of voting for Bush was considered and I decided that I would live with him because he was at the very least honorable. I can not find nothing honorable about Trump, or redeeming or even anything admirable. I will continue to bash people for blind loyalty to Trump and if you want to call that bullshyt then great, you can do that. You can claim it is all TDS with me and such and it will continue to roll off of me because I can see what a shyt show it is and will continue to be.

Hypocrite? Perhaps I am, or I have learned over that time that voting for the lesser of two evils is bad for the country and is ultimately bad for our system.

So you have an opinion regarding me and that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at any Starbucks. I will continue to bash the Trump loyalist for their vote and continued support of all things Trump.

I know that in the future I will be proven right that Trump should have never even seen the inside of the Oval Office.

Also, I don't care what label you want to stick on me: TDS, Liberal, bent wrist liberal, I am fine with it and never feel destroyed by anything said about me on here. I know most of us will never cross paths and that if we did there are only two people on here I would leave by the side of the road if I saw them broke down in the boonies.

Nemont

opbuckslayer · Feb 1, 2019

>>So as long as we elect
>>progressive republicans the conservative cause
>>is in great shape? Please
>>elaborate on that??‍

>
>
>Do you understand how the Electoral
>College works?
>
>So you are claiming that Trump
>is a conservative dream president
>or is he even a
>Republican? Elaborate on
>that.
>
>Explain how electing Trump is going
>to play out? I
>guarantee you the Conservatives who
>support Trump have forever given
>up any future whining about
>fiscal discipline. They have
>forever given up any high
>ground on deficit, debt and
>sound monetary policy.
>
>Nemont

I think you have well established trump is a ##### up & I accept your take on him. I've never even hinted that trump is a conservative so go phuk yourself as you so often say. Now tell me how electing a progressive republican saves the conservative cause?

CAforkedhorn · Feb 1, 2019

Cool so like we've established already you have your reasons as do others. You simply could have said that over the years you changed your mind on voting and that would have been fine, you're allowed to do that.

This isn't even about Trump necessarily. We could be having this discussion about any POTUS and it actually works both ways. Remember when Obama was running against Hillary and Obama won the election because he was a shiny new toy? Well now after his presidency there are people that claim he was the best POTUS ever. Every POTUS has successes and failures and while Trump happens to have a very big horn, every POTUS likes to toot theirs.

I just think it's fascinating that the election of one president has you so filled with hate. It makes it hard to take you seriously on anything anymore.

NeMont · Feb 1, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-19 AT 02:45PM (MST)[p]I don't hate Trump, I think he is a disaster. Period, he is going to usher in a period where we are going to be subject to the whims of liberals for a generation. Just as Obama brought on a Trump well the when the pendulum swings back, I am curious as to what people sold on Trump will have as a reason for liberals not to run up bills we can't pay and make us further slaves to the health care system? That is my issue, period.

The rest of it is because it is funny to poke the guys who would support Trump on everything. Can you find where any of them said, "I voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils". Go look, the dyed in the wool Trump supporters actually believe he is the greatest ever to hold the office. If making fun of them makes me have TDS or hate for Trump, I give a shyt, to me it is funny how the election of one president will make the same guys who whined the entire Obama presidency willing to compromise the very things they were wound up about before. I don't take any of them seriously so there is that.

Just because I make fun of Trump supporters for their support of Trump doesn't make me hate him or have TDS, it is funny IMO.

Whether you take me seriously has zero affect on anything on here. If I took myself seriously 90% of the time on here I would have had to leave years ago.

Nemont