LAST EDITED ON Sep-01-16 AT 04:27PM (MST)[p]>The Freedoms we are talking about
>is Hunting, Camping, gathering wood,
>and enjoying the outdoors.
>Yes we will still be
>able to camp, hunt, and
>gather wood. But NM
>status has shown over the
>years that you will have
>to pay to do these
>things. You will have
>to camp in designated camping
>areas, pay a fee.
>You will be able to
>gather wood, but will have
>to get it in designated
>areas, limiting access. You will
>be able to hunt, again
>they will eventually reduce the
>hunting numbers and hunting structure.
> I guess we have
>been spoiled down here where
>we havent had to camp
>in designated area, or pay
>fees to enjoy the outdoors.
>
>Now I am not for the
>PLI either, I am for
>keeping it the way it
>is and has been.
Camp in a FS Campground, you pay $10. Camp at State Park campground, you pay $30 (Heck, to use Bear Lake State Park, Antelope Island State Park, Hyrum State Park, Deadhorse State Park, etc... it costs money just to walk around). Camp on unimproved FS land, free. Camping on unimproved State land is often banned altogether. Gather firewood on FS land, buy a permit. Gather firewood on State land, banned or leased out to the highest bidder. Hunt on FS land, governed by DWR. Hunt on National Monument land, governed by DWR. Hunt on SITLA land, governed by DWR (unless they've leased it to somebody else and then its closed to public access/hunting).
There's my response to your "camp, hunt, and gather wood" comments. I see no discernible benefits to state-ownership and plenty of negative repercussions.
We can go back to wolves, and rehash that too. Or we can go back to coal mining and oil/gas drilling and we can point out that the Feds still control that regardless of NM status. The Feds just issue administrative orders or environmentalists get judges to issue rulings under clean water and clean air acts or using the ESA. So those arguments are indefensible as well.
If the land grab fraudsters really want to stop "gubment overreach" they can change the laws that allow it (clean water and clean air acts and ESA). Instead they ignore the actual cause of the "problem" and tell you they'll sell/lease the land to somebody else and hope you don't notice that won't have any influence on the actual laws and therefore can't actually change anything... except make their buddies rich (you know, the same buddies that gave the lawmakers $100,000 just to defraud the citizens in the first place).
I see what is going on and I have nothing but contempt for those trying to pull this scheme off for their own personal gains.
Grizzly