fishon
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SFW just doesn't get it. A group that has maybe 5,000 members in the state of Utah shouldn't be trying to set policy for the rest of the people.
The SFW deer proposal is full of holes, not very well thought out and very misleading.
Lets starts from the top.
1. The DWR survey that went out holds very little credibility. That vast majority of people I have talked to never saw the survey. Now these are license holding people me included. I never saw or heard of the survey until the comment period was closed. How can any survey be legitimate if most hunters never got to participate in it?
2. The survey was very misleading at best. I would like to see it sent to every deer hunter in the state.
3. SFW proposes to form a 5 year deer management plan off of 1 year of applications. They want to simply take who puts in for hunt A or B the first year and make that concrete as to how people want to hunt. Then they want you to be locked in to the same hunt you choose for 5 years. I am not a biologist but I know that forming a 5 year plan off of 1 year of info is a really bad idea.
4. Then SFW wants to renew the plan for 5 more after that.
5. SFW wants to take away hunting opportunity for people that live in Beaver, Fillmore, Richfield, Wayne county, Logan and many other places by making all of those places Limited Entry. Then they want to compensate it by turning the worst LE deer unit in the state (thousand lakes) into a General area. And maybe throw the Average guy a bone with the Vernon unit.
6. SFW then wants to take away your bonus points a award all preference points, thus becoming like Colorado. Many people would not even have a chance at drawing a tag because tags would go to those with the most preference points.
Then SFW want to increase your LE deer tag by 5 times..
7. Then SFW wants to give preference to those that put in the first 5 years to have a better chance of drawing because they believe everyone will want to ?jump on the bandwagon.
8. Then SFW wants to let 2 people hunt on 1 tag with letting a youth under 16 shoot an animal if the parent didn't want to.
9. Then SFW wants to let the LE guys hunt during different seasons like the rut and stuff because it is so limited because harvest will be controlled.
10. SFW then says that general season tags you will draw 4 out of 5 years and LE you will draw 1 out of 5 years. They also say it will not be crowded on the LE because there is not to many hunters.
11. Look at the Utah elk situation, I would guess most people think it is crowded because every hunter takes 5-10 people with them and every guide has 20 spotters. The deer hunt would end up just the same way.
12. Also LE would not draw every 5 years. The numbers would be like the elk drawing odds. A premium elk tag is a once in a lifetime tag and the lesser elk units are once in 15-20 years.
13. SFW saying you would draw a tag every 5 years is the biggest misleading thing about their proposal.
The most troubling thing about the SFW proposal is this, and I quote right from Don Peay?s on email
?The youth can hunt all three weapons in type A hunts. They can go hunting with dad on a trophy unit and see what real hunting is like and they just might get to blast a pretty big buck on Dad?s tag, and if they are like my son, they will go from just killing deer, to wanting a BIG one in short order?.
Is this not the worst thing to tell kids. SFW is telling them that REAL hunting is only for trophy animals, and that hunting isn't about the hunt it is about killing a BIG one.
Then Don closes his email by saying, and I quote ?In the meantime DWR and SFW will do all we can to fix habitat, keep predators under control, fence highways, solve depredation?.
Last time I checked there is a lot more people and groups working on the above issues then just SFW and DWR.
Don, once again you miss the point. Your proposal is about trophy hunting for a few and is more about killing deer then managing deer.
If this proposal goes through then our deer hunt will be just like our elk hunt A TRAVESTY.
Elk hunting in Utah is not a success it is a failure. The Henry Mountains is not a success it is a failure. Few people get to enjoy what is there unless they are lucky enough to draw or RICH enough to BUY.
I sure hope the DWR doesn't support this proposal. I think tey are smarter then that.
ALso be prepared to go to the RACS on this one, unless you don't care.
Tony Abbott
[email protected]
801-885-1274
The SFW deer proposal is full of holes, not very well thought out and very misleading.
Lets starts from the top.
1. The DWR survey that went out holds very little credibility. That vast majority of people I have talked to never saw the survey. Now these are license holding people me included. I never saw or heard of the survey until the comment period was closed. How can any survey be legitimate if most hunters never got to participate in it?
2. The survey was very misleading at best. I would like to see it sent to every deer hunter in the state.
3. SFW proposes to form a 5 year deer management plan off of 1 year of applications. They want to simply take who puts in for hunt A or B the first year and make that concrete as to how people want to hunt. Then they want you to be locked in to the same hunt you choose for 5 years. I am not a biologist but I know that forming a 5 year plan off of 1 year of info is a really bad idea.
4. Then SFW wants to renew the plan for 5 more after that.
5. SFW wants to take away hunting opportunity for people that live in Beaver, Fillmore, Richfield, Wayne county, Logan and many other places by making all of those places Limited Entry. Then they want to compensate it by turning the worst LE deer unit in the state (thousand lakes) into a General area. And maybe throw the Average guy a bone with the Vernon unit.
6. SFW then wants to take away your bonus points a award all preference points, thus becoming like Colorado. Many people would not even have a chance at drawing a tag because tags would go to those with the most preference points.
Then SFW want to increase your LE deer tag by 5 times..
7. Then SFW wants to give preference to those that put in the first 5 years to have a better chance of drawing because they believe everyone will want to ?jump on the bandwagon.
8. Then SFW wants to let 2 people hunt on 1 tag with letting a youth under 16 shoot an animal if the parent didn't want to.
9. Then SFW wants to let the LE guys hunt during different seasons like the rut and stuff because it is so limited because harvest will be controlled.
10. SFW then says that general season tags you will draw 4 out of 5 years and LE you will draw 1 out of 5 years. They also say it will not be crowded on the LE because there is not to many hunters.
11. Look at the Utah elk situation, I would guess most people think it is crowded because every hunter takes 5-10 people with them and every guide has 20 spotters. The deer hunt would end up just the same way.
12. Also LE would not draw every 5 years. The numbers would be like the elk drawing odds. A premium elk tag is a once in a lifetime tag and the lesser elk units are once in 15-20 years.
13. SFW saying you would draw a tag every 5 years is the biggest misleading thing about their proposal.
The most troubling thing about the SFW proposal is this, and I quote right from Don Peay?s on email
?The youth can hunt all three weapons in type A hunts. They can go hunting with dad on a trophy unit and see what real hunting is like and they just might get to blast a pretty big buck on Dad?s tag, and if they are like my son, they will go from just killing deer, to wanting a BIG one in short order?.
Is this not the worst thing to tell kids. SFW is telling them that REAL hunting is only for trophy animals, and that hunting isn't about the hunt it is about killing a BIG one.
Then Don closes his email by saying, and I quote ?In the meantime DWR and SFW will do all we can to fix habitat, keep predators under control, fence highways, solve depredation?.
Last time I checked there is a lot more people and groups working on the above issues then just SFW and DWR.
Don, once again you miss the point. Your proposal is about trophy hunting for a few and is more about killing deer then managing deer.
If this proposal goes through then our deer hunt will be just like our elk hunt A TRAVESTY.
Elk hunting in Utah is not a success it is a failure. The Henry Mountains is not a success it is a failure. Few people get to enjoy what is there unless they are lucky enough to draw or RICH enough to BUY.
I sure hope the DWR doesn't support this proposal. I think tey are smarter then that.
ALso be prepared to go to the RACS on this one, unless you don't care.
Tony Abbott
[email protected]
801-885-1274