This is Outragious. . .

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Sure, ESA needs some reform, but this is out of control stupid. Not only will it put the private sector scientists out of work, but it ignores the checks and balances of our "democratic" system. Science is not science without objective study and analysis. . . never mind the issues and the animals, the fact that Bush is throwing the scientific principal out the door is more evidence that this administration believes in believing over facts. . . God bless us all. . .



Bush revises protections for endangered species

By DINA CAPPIELLO ? 18 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) ? Just six weeks before President-elect Barack Obama takes office, the Bush administration issued revised endangered species regulations Thursday to reduce the input of federal scientists and to block the law from being used to fight global warming.

The changes, which will go into effect in about 30 days, were completed in just four months. But they could take Obama much longer to reverse.

They will eliminate some of the mandatory, independent reviews that government scientists have performed for 35 years on dams, power plants, timber sales and other projects, a step that developers and other federal agencies have blamed for delays and cost increases.

The rules also prohibit federal agencies from evaluating the effect on endangered species and the places they live from a project's contribution to increased global warming.

Interior Department officials described the changes as "narrow," but admitted that the regulations were controversial inside the agency. Environmentalists viewed them as eroding the protections for endangered species.

Interior officials said federal agencies could still seek the expertise of federal wildlife biologists on a voluntary basis, and that other parts of the law will ensure that species are protected.

"Nothing in this regulation relieves a federal agency of its responsibilities to ensure that species are not harmed," said Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne in a conference call with reporters.

Current rules require biologists in the Fish and Wildlife Service and National Marine Fisheries Service to sign off on projects even when it is determined that they are not likely to harm species. The rule finalized Thursday would do away with that requirement, reducing the number of consultations so that the government's experts can focus on cases that pose the greatest harm to wildlife, officials said.

But environmentalists said that the rule changes would put decisions about endangered species into the hands of agencies with a vested interest in advancing a project and with little expertise about wildlife. Several environmental groups filed a lawsuit in federal court in San Francisco hours after the rule's announcement.

Jamie Rappaport Clark, a former director of the Fish and Wildlife Service and a vice president of Defenders of Wildlife, said Thursday that the changes target the "absolute heart of the Endangered Species Act." Clark told a House hearing on the Bush administration's last-minute environmental regulations that these changes remove "a system of checks and balances that provides an essential safety net for imperiled animals and plants."

Between 1998 and 2002, the Fish and Wildlife Service conducted 300,000 consultations. The National Marine Fisheries Service, which evaluates projects affecting marine species, conducts about 1,300 reviews each year.

The reviews have helped safeguard protected species such as bald eagles, Florida panthers and whooping cranes. A federal government handbook from 1998 described the consultations as "some of the most valuable and powerful tools to conserve listed species."

The Bush administration worked diligently to get the change in place before Obama took over, corralling 15 experts in Washington in October to sort through 250,000 written comments from the public on the revisions in 32 hours.

Obama has said he would work to reverse the changes. But because the rule takes effect before he is sworn in, he would have to restart the lengthy rulemaking process. House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rep. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va., said he would seek to overturn the regulations using the Congressional Review Act after consulting with other Democratic leaders. The rarely used law allows Congress to review new federal regulations.

Congress has opposed similar changes to the endangered species protections in the past.

In 2003, the Bush administration imposed similar rules that would have allowed agencies to approve new pesticides and wildfire reduction projects without seeking the opinion of government scientists. The pesticide rule was later overturned in court. The Interior Department, along with the Forest Service, is currently being sued over the rule governing wildfire prevention.

In 2005, the House passed a bill that would have made similar changes to the Endangered Species Act, but the bill died in the Senate.

Oklahoma Sen. James Inhofe, the leading Republican on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, said in a statement the new regulations were "common-sense changes to a law much overdue for reform."

There are a handful of other environmental regulations still pending before Bush leaves office, including a rule to exempt large agricultural operations from reporting releases of ammonia and other hazardous air pollutants. They must be finalized by Dec. 19 in order for them go into effect before Jan. 20.

In a related development, the Interior Department also finalized Thursday a special rule for the polar bear, a species that was listed as threatened in May because of global warming. The rule would allow oil and gas exploration in areas where the bears live, as long as the companies comply with the Marine Mammal Protection Act.
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* Interior Department: http://www.doi.gov


"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Bush only has another month to change his legacy, better to be remembered for raping the environment than where he stands today.
 
I wonder if this really is about the 34 Nuclear plants that have been approved to be built.

Nuclear Energy: everybody wants it...as long as the plant isn't near them.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-12-08 AT 06:14PM (MST)[p]Is it any more outragious then those enviromental groups that went overboard on their agenda decisions, law suits, that completly took out the benifits to humans over zealous protection of any animal, insect, fish.
If they would have been more balanced in their zealous pursuits, this would never have happened. As it nows stands those groups do not have the support of the public that they first enjoyed when they started their "protection" programs.
For every action, there is a re-action, and now it has come to this decision that Tfinal and others feel is outragious.
This might be a wake up call to the enviromentals to stop using faulty science and out right fraudulent evidence to push their agenda at the cost of humans. there is a dire need for some common sense and honest science when it comes to protecting the enviroment and humans both.

RELH
 
true enough, and what Bush is up to will make that impossible, he just threw out the science. . .

www.tonybynum.com

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
>true enough, and what Bush is
>up to will make that
>impossible, he just threw out
>the science. . .

Maybe he just threw out all of the faulty science?

Scott
Member: RMEF, SCI, and NRA
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-12-08 AT 07:05PM (MST)[p] global warming is the lie, why write into the esa false science
we can go back to the stone age and it will not change the sun.
 
The last time Bush and the right wingers threw out the so called junk science we had the massive fish kill on the Klamath river, I wonder if anyone else remembers that?
 
LOL piper. And just think I always thought they diverted the water to evil farmers growing ridiculous crops such as potatoes.


Ransom
 
By the piper more people eat taters on any given day than they do salmon. And with all the doom and gloom the Klamath River is open to salmon fishing this year unlike the Pacific Ocean in my area.
So you think Bush made a bad decision as reguards to the water flows. Well the farmers think he made the right one and it is their lively hood that matters to them. Are you against farmers now? Maybe if they were union members you would support them?
Well all will be great on 1/20/2009 right?
 
have you priced salmon lately? its a lot more than potatoes or onions,and a heck of a lot more fun to harvest. actually some in the bush administration claimed the previous administration used junk science when making decisions about how much water to divert from the river, the Bush boys were wrong and it was an expensive mistake, where have I heard that before?
 
LOL it was a drought piper. Bad things happen to good people during a drought. MORE PEOPLE EAT MORE TATERS EACH DAY THAN THEY DO SALMON.
Piper the salmon in that river made a come back unlike other rivers that didn't have that drastic of a water diversion.
So are farmers evil? Or is it just piss on them?
 
Overton when its was all done the moneys worth of fish lost was far greater than the crops that would have been lost, many people relied on the fish for their livelyhood also and when you kill salmon it ruins fishing for more than one year its not like planting crops the next year, but more importantly, the Bush boys claimed the fish would be fine and they were wrong. They didn't make a conscious decision to put onions above fish, they were wrong
 
Piper

Maybe you haven't read the quote by Dude about arguing on the internet? LOL
And besides I give up you win I'm headed out the door to do some crabing. I just hope that bastard Bush hasn't killed them all off because I'm looking forward to crab for dinner.


Ransom
 
"Thursday to reduce the input of federal scientists and to block the law from being used to fight global warming."

All I can say is Thank God for George Bush!
 
piper, the Yurok and Hoopa Indians had a very generous commercial gill net allotment this year. When that quota was reached they had an unlimited subsistance take (read black market). They were only cut off when the Coho salmon showed up in numbers. I know several Indians who gill net. They "accidentally" caught record numbers of large steelhead while salmon fishing this year also.

For what it's worth.

Eel

President Obama and Congress should leave gun rights alone. It's above their pay grade.
 
>piper, the Yurok and Hoopa Indians
>had a very generous commercial
>gill net allotment this year.
>When that quota was reached
>they had an unlimited subsistance
>take (read black market). They
>were only cut off when
>the Coho salmon showed up
>in numbers. I know several
>Indians who gill net. They
>"accidentally" caught record numbers of
>large steelhead while salmon fishing
>this year also.
>
>For what it's worth.
>
>Eel
>


STOP IT WITH THE COLD HARD FACTS EEL.......THAT JUST CONFUSES THINGS....


JB
 
Eel

Enough with your tall tales. Every body knows salmon are extinct now that Bush gave the water to the farmers.
As for droughts the bay looked awful low yesterday afternoon but since it rained last night the bay was full again this morning.


Ransom
 
Piper

I just checked and you were right. The bay is low again. It's harder than you think to tell the difference between a drought and a low tide. I'll refer to my tide tables from now on.


Ransom
 
It's no different than when Clinton made a huge chunk of coal rich desolate ground in southern Utah into the grand staircase national monument just before he left office despite the overwhelming local outrage against it.
 
DITTO CABINFEVER !!!! Nice memory. Thats close to the area im in. Locals were livid!!
 
Besides.. Man made global warming is a bunch of bullcrap. Lets see in the 70's it was global cooling... bunch of idiots....
 
It's all BS from the Special Interests (so-called "Environmentalists", etc., etc.) and the Government (Republicans and Democrats, Outgoing President, New President, Congress and the Judicial). It's no wonder that the Russians think the U.S. will self-destruct by mid- 2010.
-- Bob
 

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