Utah 2016 Permits for Sale (Long list)

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Here are the Utah Big Game tags that are outside of the draw system.
It is only 8 pages long:

2016 Utah Division of Wildlife Resources Conservation Permits List

Foundation for North American Wild Sheep
www.utahfnaws.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
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Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Little Creek Roadless Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep Henry Mtns/La Sal/San Juan/San Rafael, Dirty Devil Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep Kaiparowits (Comb) Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep San Rafael North/South Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
D t Bi h Sh Desert Bighorn Sheep Statewide St t id S t 1 D 31 2016 Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep Zion (early) Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Book Cliffs, South Nov. 1?Dec. 31, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Box Elder, Newfoundland Mtn (early) Oct. 29?Dec. 31, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Nine Mile, Range Creek (early) Nov. 1?Dec. 31, 2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Wild Turkey Southern Region Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016

Safari Club International
www.safariclubutah.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any open units in the guidebook that include Central Mountains, Manti in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Antlerless Elk South Slope South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Bear Central Mtns, Nebo Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountians, Nebo Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Panguitch Lake/Zion Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Panquitch Lake/Zion Unit during the 2016 season
Bison Henry Mtns, Hunter's Choice (late) Nov. 19?Dec. 1, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs (North and South) Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer Fillmore, Oak Creek LE Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/1 Buck Deer Fillmore, Oak Creek LE Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 10/06/16
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer San Juan, Elk Ridge Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Cougar Central Mtns, Manti Limited Entry/Split Any open unit in the Central Mtns, Manti Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Plateau, Boulder Split Any open unit in the Plateau, Boulder Area during the 2016-2017 season
Pronghorn Fillmore, Oak Creek Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Pine Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn West Desert, Riverbed Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Mule Deer Foundation
www.muledeer.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
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Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any open units in the guidebook that include Central Mountains, Manti in the unit name
Antlerless Elk South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Antlerless Elk South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Bear Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/ South Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Wasatch Mtns, West Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Wasatch Mountians, West Unit during the 2016 season
B kDuc eer Book Cliffs Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16 B k Cliff Ch i f Rifl 10/22/16 10/30/16 A h 08/20/16 09/16/16 M 09/28/16 10/06/16
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Fillmore, Oak Creek LE Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Henry Mtns Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Henry Mtns Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer La Sal, Dolores Triangle Choice of season Rifle 11/19/16 - 11/27/16 or Arch 11/05/16 - 11/18/16 or Muzz 11/30/16 - 12/08/16
Buck Deer Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Any Weapon Oct 22?Oct 30 2016 Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer San Juan, Elk Ridge Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer South Slo Buck Deer South Slope,Diamond Mtn An Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30 Oct. 22 Oct. 30,2016
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer Statewide Archery from Aug. 20 - Aug. 31 and ALW from Sept. 1, 2016 - Jan. 15, 2017
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Bull Elk Beaver, East Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, North Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Fillmore, Pahvant Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
B ll Elk Bull Elk Fillmore, Pahvant Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016 Fill P h t A W S t 17 S t 25 2016 N 12 N 20 2016
Bull Elk Fillmore, Pahvant Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Monroe Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk North Slope, Three Corners Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
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Bull Elk Oquirrh-Stansbury Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
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Bull Elk San Juan Bull Elk Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk San Juan Bull Elk Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Cougar Central Mtns Manti Central Mtns,
Manti Limited Entry/Split Li
mited Entry/Split Any open unit in the Central Mtns Manti Area during the 2016 2017 season Any open unit in the Central Mtns,
Manti Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Statewide Any unit throughout the State during the 2016-2017 season
Mountain Goat Beaver (early) Sept. 10?Sept. 25, 2016
Mountain Goat Ogden, Willard Peak (late) Sept. 26?Nov. 15, 2016
Mountain Goat Statewide Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Pronghorn Cache/Morgan Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Any Weapon Sept. 17 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 Sept. 25, 2016
National Wild Turkey Federation
www.nwtf.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear South Slo South Slope,Yellowstone Multi-season An Yellowstone Multi season Any limited entr limited entry season in the South Slo season in the South Slope,Yellowstone Unit durin Yellowstone Unit during the 2016 season the 2016 season
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs (North and South) Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Bull Elk Beaver, East Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016 y p p p
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Cougar Chalk Creek/Kamas, East Canyon, and Morgan-South Rich Limited Entry Any open unit in the Chalk Creek/Kamas, East Canyon, and Morgan-South RichArea during the 2016- 2017 season
Cougar Wasatch Mtns, Currant Creek and Wasatch Mtns,West Limited Entry Any open unit in the Wasatch Mtns, Currant Creek and Wasatch Mtns,West Area during the 2016- 2017 season
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Statewide April 1 - May 31, 2016
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Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
www.rmef.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any open units in the guidebook that include Central Mountains, Manti in the unit name
A tl l Elk Antlerless Elk Plateau Pl t A it i th id b k th t i l d Pl t i th it Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Plateau Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Antlerless Elk South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Bear Beaver Spring, Summer, Fall Any limited entry season in the Beaver Unit during the 2016 season
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Bull Elk Book Cliffs Little Creek Roadless Book Cliffs, Little Creek Roadless Any Weapon Any Weapon Sept 17?Sept 25 2016 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Monroe An Bull Elk Monroe Any Weapon Sept. 17?Se . 17 Sept. 25,2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20 2016 or Nov. 12 Nov. 20,2016
Bull Elk Oquirrh-Stansbury Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk San Juan Bull Elk Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016 y p p p
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Pronghorn Mt Dutton/Paunsaugunt, Johns Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Pine Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn West Desert, Rush Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn West Desert, Snake Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Statewide Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife
www.sfw.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
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Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Plateau Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Plateau Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Bear Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/ South Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/ South Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Book Cliffs, Little Creek Roadless Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek Roadless Unit during the 2016 season
Bear C t l Mt M ti N th Central Mtns, Manti-North Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountains, Manti - North Unit during the 2016 seas M lti A li it d t i th C t l M t i M ti N th U it d i th 2016 on
Bear Central Mtns, Manti-North Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountains, Manti - North Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Central Mtns, Manti-South/San Rafael, North Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountians, Manti -South/San Rafael, North Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Chalk Creek/Kamas/North Slope, Summit Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Chalk Creek/Kamas/North Slope, Summit Unit during the 2016 season
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season S S
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Nine Mile Summer-Fall Any limited entry season in the Nine Mile Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan San Juan Multi season Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Statewide Any open unit during the 2016 season
Bear W t h Mt W t Wasatch Mtns, West Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Wasatch Mountians, West Unit during the 2016 season M lti A li it d t i th W t h M ti W t U it d i th 2016
Bison Book Cliffs, Wild Horse Bench (Hunter's Choice) Dec. 3, 2016?Jan. 31, 2017
Bison Henry Mtns, Hunter's Choice (early) Nov. 5?Nov. 17, 2016
Bison Statewide Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer Buck Deer Cache Crawford Mtn Cache, Crawford Mtn Muzzleloader Muzzleloader Nov 19?Dec 4 2016 Nov. 19?Dec. 4, 2016
Buck Deer Henry Mtns Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slo Buck Deer North Slope,Summit An Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20 Oct. 8 Oct. 20,2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer San Juan, Elk Ridge Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
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Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Box Elder, Grouse Creek Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
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Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Bull Elk Cache South Cache, South Archery Archery Aug 20 Sept 16 2016 Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Bull Elk La Sal La Sal Mtns La Sal, La Sal Mtns Muzzleloader Muzzleloader Sept 26 Sept. 26?Oct 7 2016 Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Nine Mile, Anthro Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk North Slope, Three Corners Any Weapon Oct. 1?Oct. 14, 2016
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Pan Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Muzzleloader Se Lake Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016 26 Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Statewide Archery from Aug. 20 - Aug. 31 and ALW from Sept. 1, 2016 - Jan. 15, 2017
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Bull Elk West Desert Deep Creek West Desert, Deep
Creek Any Weapon Any
Weapon Sept 17 Sept 25 2016 or Oct 8 Oct 20 2016 or Nov 12 Nov 20 2016 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or
Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk West Desert, Deep Creek Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Moose Statewide Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2016
Bull Moose Wasatch Mtns/Central Mtns Sept. 17?Oct. 20, 2016
Bull Moose Wasatch Mtns/Central Mtns Sept. 17?Oct. 20, 2016
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Cougar Box Elder, Desert and Box Elder, Raft River Split Any open unit in the Box Elder, Desert and Box Elder, Raft River Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Central Mtns, Nebo and Central Mtns, Nebo-West Face Split Any open unit in the Central Mtns, Nebo and Central Mtns, Nebo-West Face Area during the 2016- 2017 season
Cougar Mt Dutton Split Any open unit in the Mt Dutton Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Oquirrh-Stansbury and West Desert, Tintic-Vernon Limited Entry/Split Any open unit in the Oquirrh-Stansbury and West Desert, Tintic-Vernon Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Plateau, Fishlake Split Any open unit in the Plateau, Fishlake Area during the 2016-2017 season
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Desert Bighorn Sheep Zion (late) Oct. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Mountain Goat North Slope/South Slope, High Uintas Central Sept. 12?Oct. 31, 2016
Mountain Goat North Slope/South Slope, High Uintas West Sept. 12?Oct. 31, 2016
Mountain Goat Ogden, Willard Peak (early) Sept. 12?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Beaver Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Book Cliffs, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Box Elder, Puddle Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Mt Dutton/Paunsaugunt, Johns Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Nine Mile, Anthro-Myton Bench Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
P hrongorn Nine Mile, Anthro-Myton Bench Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 Ni Mil A th M t B h A W S t 17 S t 25 2016
Pronghorn North Slope, Three Corners/West Daggett Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau Parker Mtn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Any Weapon Sept 17 Sept 25 2016 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn San Rafael, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn San Rafael, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn South Slo South Slope,Vernal An Vernal Any Weapon Sept. 17?Se . 17 Sept. 25,2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Statewide Any Weapon Archery from Aug. 20 - Aug. 31 and ALW from Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Nine Mile, Range Creek (late) Nov. 16?Dec. 31, 2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016 y g y
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Utah Bowmen for Habitat
http://utahbowmen.org
Species Species Area Condition Condition Season Dates Season Dates
Bear Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Wasatch Mtns, Avintaquin/Currant Creek Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Wasatch Mtns, Avintaquin/Current Creek Unit during the 2016 season
Bison Henry Mtns, Cow Only (early) Dec. 3?Dec. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016 p , y g p,
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016

Utah Conservation Expo:
200 additional permits
 
Is SWF the only ones that actually list on their site when they are auctioning each of these tags? Sure would be convenient to see the others so I can try for a turkey tag. Maybe I am blind and just can't find it?
 
What about landowner tags and CWMU tags that are sold . It would be interesting to see how many tags are really available outside of the public draw and waiting periods. Are more limited entry elk tags sold than drawn?
 
>What about landowner tags and CWMU
>tags that are sold .
>It would be interesting to
>see how many tags are
>really available outside of the
>public draw and waiting periods.
>Are more limited entry elk
>tags sold than drawn?


What about the NAM? Looks like Utah forgot about that a long time ago and no wonder the Don made negative statements out in the press about it and that it needed to be addressed and changed. Looks like he already addressed and changed it! 500 premium tags taken from the common man tag pools! What's next?
 
Wow that's a lot of tags. I'd like to see what they go for. Seems like quantity might bring the price down.
 
this is so out of control. Every one of these tags should go back to the public draw. No other state is even close to this. I can't wait to move out of Utah. I'll still come back and hunt deer on my lifetime license every year though ;-)
 
>>What about landowner tags and CWMU
>>tags that are sold .
>>It would be interesting to
>>see how many tags are
>>really available outside of the
>>public draw and waiting periods.
>>Are more limited entry elk
>>tags sold than drawn?
>
>
>What about the NAM? Looks
>like Utah forgot about that
>a long time ago and
>no wonder the Don made
>negative statements out in the
>press about it and that
>it needed to be addressed
>and changed. Looks like
>he already addressed and changed
>it! 500 premium tags
>taken from the common man
>tag pools! What's next?
>

What's next? Here's some possibilities.

How about 2Lumpy's proposal on the Mule Deer Committee to create a Limited Entry deer area in EVERY deer unit? Or his proposal to create 72 deer units with a 30% portion of Limited Entry units? Or SFW's willingness on page 43 of their Expo proposal to discuss ways to "adjust the number and quality of permits available in the (Expo) drawing" in order to maximize the value of the tags in the future? Or to use their standing position on the new elk unit committees to recommend some "beneficial" changes? Or expanding the use of transplants (at DWR/our expense) rather than doe or cow permits in order to control populations. Or continuing to raise buck to doe ratios/age objectives in order to reduce or keep buck/bull permit numbers low? Or adjust the acreage requirements for CWMU's in order to create more of them? And who knows what could happen if public lands were transferred to the State of Utah. We could end up with more than 50% of them taken out of the draw. Wouldn't that be fun?
 
What is the problem??

Y'all should be glad the special interest groups are doing this for us.

Ungrateful bastards.



"WE USED TO HUNT GAME TO
MANAGE, NOW WE MANAGE TO
HUNT"
Finn 2/14/16
 
Ya that's a lot of primo tags pissed away, but I heard the Don planted a pheasant for this worthless low life common man somewhere out there.

At least that's something for my 19 deer points in a unit I would have drawn 10 years ago had the tags not been skimmed off the top for Don's slush fund. That's only 20 years of paying and waiting my turn in line.

***********************************
Member RMEF, Pope & Young Club, NRA, UWC & SFW Hate Club
 
That is disgusting! Im so glad I don't live in ut anymore.
hornkiller.jpg
 
Deerlove,

You finally got one right. There should be a lot more of those tags auctioned. Even tags that aren't LE.
 
Zim, as you said.

?but I heard the Don planted a pheasant for this worthless low life common man somewhere out there.

Are you saying the pheasants planted for and those hunting pheasants are nothing but worthless low life people?
 
Tri can you help me out? Where do I go to get my pheasant? I've waited in line 20 years and I know I'm not worthy of it but I'd really like to get that bird and thank my great leader Don. Thanks much.

**********************************
Member RMEF, Pope & Young Club, NRA, UWC & DP Hate Club
 
> Are you saying
>the pheasants planted for and
>those hunting pheasants are nothing
>but worthless low life people?

No BM,
You're way off base. I know I'm a low life hillbilly common man and not worthy of a pheasant, but I have waited for 20 years so I thought I might qualify for just one bird by the grace of our imperial wizard Don if something could be arranged.

***********************************
Member RMEF, Pope & Young Club, NRA, UWC & DP Hate Club
 
Wish I could help you but I don't know anything about pheasant hunting, in or out of Utah, or this fella you call Don. Good luck.
 
>Deerlove,
>
>You finally got one right.
>There should be a lot
>more of those tags auctioned.
> Even tags that aren't
>LE.


You sure fit in well with Don Peay's/SFW philosophy of putting the common man out of hunting---sad, very very sad!
 
By "common man" do you mean dead broke or just to hard headed to spend money to hunt?

Where I am from those people are neither "common" nor "men"
 
Hey bistate where are you from any where close to utah?? Or the western half if not. As a man I don't think you have much ground to stand on this matter. Unless as a kid you just get tough guy behind a computer syndrome
 
I have long stated my position regarding expo and auction tags. I am not against them, and think some good can come from them.

Looking at this giant list I can't help but think about the impact putting all of these tags back into the draw would have on point creep across all species in Utah. The state gives away a crap load of tags. It kind of makes me re-think my position. At least a little bit.

Thinking out loud here...why can't the DWR run these raffle and auction tags by itself? So many of my conservative minded brethren correctly attack federal entitlement programs. Isn't the expo/auction tag program just becoming one giant entitlement program for organizations like SFW?
 
This is out of hand!! Why do the rich get to cut in Line!sm that's bs. That a lot of tags that aren't going to the people that deserve them!
 
i don't get why tri state is so pro Utah sfw. He isn't even A resident of Utah so tell what a guy from half way across the country need to argue with the guys that are gettin screwed over? My guess is he is saving up to buy a tag or two and doesn't wanna miss his chance to cut to the front of the line. Or maybe he just has the don as a client. What a shame it would be if he lost that guy for a client.
 
Here is my honest and sincere question about all of these tags:

Where and what does all the money generated from these tags go to? Does the organization retain 20%,30%,40% of the tag cost for their own purposes and then give the remaining amount back to the DNR?
 
Hey! Why all the hate? Other states outside of Utah provide tags for auction, as well:

CO = 16
NV = 9
NM = 9
WY = 9
MT = 5
TX = 2
ID = 2

Utah just gives out a FEW more...

UTAH = ~480

(200 expo + 280) estimated...there are so many it's hard to get an accurate count.

$$$
 
>

Here is my honest and sincere
>question about all of these
>tags:
>
>Where and what does all the
>money generated from these tags
>go to? Does the organization
>retain 20%,30%,40% of the tag
>cost for their own purposes
>and then give the remaining
>amount back to the DNR?
>


That's what the fight with sfw is alllll about. They won't show anyone. No transparency on their part for the 200 raffle tags
 
>Hey! Why all the hate? Other
>states outside of Utah provide
>tags for auction, as well:
>
>
>CO = 16
>NV = 9
>NM = 9
>WY = 9
>MT = 5
>TX = 2
>ID = 2
>
>Utah just gives out a FEW
>more...
>
>UTAH = ~480
>
>(200 expo + 280) estimated...there are
>so many it's hard to
>get an accurate count.
>
>$$$

I don't know where you got those numbers, but to be fair I know Wyoming gives out more than what you're showing since the Governor has some tags and I believe each of the F&G Commissioners receive 8. Some of those are auctioned and some are raffled depending on how an organization wants to use them.
 
>>
>
>Here is my honest and sincere
>
>>question about all of these
>>tags:
>>
>>Where and what does all the
>>money generated from these tags
>>go to? Does the organization
>>retain 20%,30%,40% of the tag
>>cost for their own purposes
>>and then give the remaining
>>amount back to the DNR?
>>
>
>
>That's what the fight with sfw
>is alllll about. They won't
>show anyone. No transparency on
>their part for the 200
>raffle tags

Ah ha - the light bulb just went on! Thanks! Do the other organizations which receive tags show where the money goes? If so, what percentage is returned to the DNR?
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-16 AT 01:06PM (MST)[p]How does Governor Herbert feel about big money tags? Listen to his speech at the most recent Expo one more time. Governor Herbert refers to the selling of these big money conservation tags as part of a "user based model" which "is clearly working here in Utah and will work in other parts of the country too if they will adopt it."


For those of you in surrounding states, buckle up . . . this "user based model" will be coming to your state soon!

-Hawkeye-
 
>i don't get why tri state
>is so pro Utah sfw.
>He isn't even A
>resident of Utah so tell
>what a guy from half
>way across the country need
>to argue with the guys
>that are gettin screwed over?
>My guess is he is
>saving up to buy a
>tag or two and doesn't
>wanna miss his chance to
>cut to the front of
>the line. Or maybe he
>just has the don
>as a client. What
>a shame it would be
>if he lost that guy
>for a client.


Don't pay no attention to bistate he is one of those people who are just addicted to arguing on the internet. Lives his life of misery and slams others. He probably wouldn't have a clue how to hunt If the animal wasn't guided, high fenced pen raised, or crop fed.
So yeah he has no clue what is going on in utah so let him be a troll
 
Still waiting for someone to reply what the other groups do with the money, the break down? Those that attack SFW so much should be able to tell us what these other groups do with the money. Hawkeye you seem to pick SFW apart, will you pick the other groups apart for us and give us the info?
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-16 AT 01:40PM (MST)[p]>Still waiting for someone to reply
>what the other groups do
>with the money, the break
>down? Those that attack SFW
>so much should be able
>to tell us what these
>other groups do with the
>money. Hawkeye you seem to
>pick SFW apart, will you
>pick the other groups apart
>for us and give us
>the info?


Why keep picking on Hawkeye when 99% of those posting on these SFW threads are not in favor of the way they do things? However, since you picked out Hawkeye and a few of you keep harping about RMEF and the fact that he worked on the contract bid for them, please go onto the RMEF website and at the top right search area type in "Utah Projects". When you get done reading about all of them come visit this thread again next month because it will take you that long just to read what they've done in that one state alone!!! Before you do that though, click on and read their financial audit link and then tell me we haven't got a beef with SFW and their lack of transparency.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-16 AT 01:51PM (MST)[p]cantkillathing-

You summoned? Sorry it took me 20 minutes to get back to you. I was actually working.

Most of us understand that the 330+ tags outlined above are Conservation Permits - not to be confused with the 200 Expo Tags. Yes, that is 330+ Conservation Permits plus 200 Expo Tags. Unlike the Expo Tags, the Conservation Permits are auctioned off that the groups' various banquets and fundraisers and 90% of the proceeds are earmarked for actual conservation. Plus, the DWR performs an annual audit of those monies. The groups keep 10% of the proceed to cover their administrative expenses. See R657-41 -- http://wildlife.utah.gov/rules-regulations/970-r657-41--conservation-and-sportsman-permits.html.

So Travis, how did I do? I think most of the folks following these threads understand the difference between Expo Tags and Conservation Permits but hopefully this information was helpful and informative to you. Feel free to fill in any blanks or correct any misstatements.

-Hawkeye-
 
Being an election year and all, Might be interesting to find out Johnson's position. Sportman's votes could go along ways. I think you have only about 600k Utahns voting in a governors race. At least 100k Deer hunters in Utah could go a long way.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-16 AT 02:09PM (MST)[p]>Still waiting for someone to reply
>what the other groups do
>with the money, the break
>down? Those that attack SFW
>so much should be able
>to tell us what these
>other groups do with the
>money. Hawkeye you seem to
>pick SFW apart, will you
>pick the other groups apart
>for us and give us
>the info?

Cantkill the tags in this thread are the conservation tags which are auctioned off to the highest bidder (400+ tags this year). As I understand it all groups that receive them keep 10% for doing the auction. The other 90% must be used for wildlife improvement through projects approved by the DWR and they have two years to do so. I have stated before these pi$$ me off more than the convention tag because these just go to the rich guys that can jump in the front of the line and hunt LE areas every year while many wait 20+ years. I think they set the numbers for these in May for 2017 and it would be nice if a couple of thousand regular sportsman showed up and took their three minutes to voice their displeasure with this many tags being taken out of the regular draw. Not sure that would even change the WB's mind because that 10% is a lot of money for their beloved SFW as they get the most tags every year. As a declaimer there are also a lot of other groups getting their share of the tags also. Bottom line I don't care what group gets them it is out of control and way to many tags that should be put back in the regular draw for the common folk.

These should not be confused with the convention tags (200),that are in addition to the above tags which SFW/MDF keeps 70% and gives 30% back to the DWR. It is the 70% folks are asking where is it going. And this has only happen for the last couple of years before that SFW keep 100% of the money. (unaccounted for). No other group gets a cut of this money. At least the common guy has a chance at these even if the odds are high.

Together that is over 600 tags a year taken out of the regular draw. Ridiculous amount, other states are not even close. But it will stay the same if nothing is said and I know it is hard for a lot of folks to go to WB meeting because they are held during the week and work gets in the way. That is something else that should change they should have WB meetings on Saturday's and a lot more folks would show up. Not sure if they do that on purpose or not.

Hope I have the facts right if not someone can/will correct me I am sure. :) Which is fine that's just how I remember it.

Sorry I done this while hawkeye was doing his so you got answered twice
 
>Still waiting for someone to reply
>what the other groups do
>with the money, the break
>down? Those that attack SFW
>so much should be able
>to tell us what these
>other groups do with the
>money. Hawkeye you seem to
>pick SFW apart, will you
>pick the other groups apart
>for us and give us
>the info?


Well, when SFW is taking 200 premium tag away from the general public and doing so in the name of conservation, but yet wont show what s going on with it, duh, pretty simple. Then when the RFP comes out and the dwr chooses a lesser bid, well. hmm, pretty simple.
 
Thanks for posting that Bowhunt. I've been meaning to do the same thing. If you take the ratio of tags which Utah has to offer as "conservation tags" and compare to other western states, shouldn't hunting in Utah be 20-30 times better than any of other states... Well, maybe it is if you have deep enough pockets and can buy these tags every year. But for those of us waiting to draw, the hunting isn't any better than it was 20 years ago.

Utah's wildlife is "For Sale to the Highest Bidder" and is leading the way in making Hunting a rich mans sport.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-16
>AT 02:09?PM (MST)
>
>>Still waiting for someone to reply
>>what the other groups do
>>with the money, the break
>>down? Those that attack SFW
>>so much should be able
>>to tell us what these
>>other groups do with the
>>money. Hawkeye you seem to
>>pick SFW apart, will you
>>pick the other groups apart
>>for us and give us
>>the info?
>
>Cantkill the tags in this thread
>are the conservation tags which
>are auctioned off to the
>highest bidder (400+ tags this
>year). As I understand it
>all groups that receive them
>keep 10% for doing the
>auction. The other 90%
>must be used for wildlife
>improvement through projects approved by
>the DWR and they have
>two years to do so.
> I have stated before
>these pi$$ me off more
>than the convention tag because
>these just go to the
>rich guys that can jump
>in the front of the
>line and hunt LE areas
>every year while many wait
>20+ years. I think
>they set the numbers for
>these in May for 2017
>and it would be nice
>if a couple of thousand
>regular sportsman showed up and
>took their three minutes to
>voice their displeasure with this
>many tags being taken out
>of the regular draw.
>Not sure that would even
>change the WB's mind because
>that 10% is a lot
>of money for their beloved
>SFW as they get the
>most tags every year.
>As a declaimer there are
>also a lot of other
>groups getting their share of
>the tags also. Bottom
>line I don't care what
>group gets them it is
>out of control and way
>to many tags that should
>be put back in the
>regular draw for the common
>folk.
>
>These should not be confused with
>the convention tags (200),that are
>in addition to the above
>tags which SFW/MDF keeps 70%
>and gives 30% back to
>the DWR. It is
>the 70% folks are asking
>where is it going.
>And this has only happen
>for the last couple of
>years before that SFW keep
>100% of the money. (unaccounted
>for). No other group
>gets a cut of this
>money. At least the common
>guy has a chance at
>these even if the odds
>are high.
>
>Together that is over 600 tags
>a year taken out of
>the regular draw. Ridiculous
>amount, other states are not
>even close. But it
>will stay the same if
>nothing is said and I
>know it is hard for
>a lot of folks to
>go to WB meeting because
>they are held during the
>week and work gets in
>the way. That is something
>else that should change they
>should have WB meetings on
>Saturday's and a lot more
>folks would show up. Not
>sure if they do that
>on purpose or not.
>
>Hope I have the facts right
>if not someone can/will correct
>me I am sure. :)
> Which is fine that's
>just how I remember it.
>
>
>Sorry I done this while hawkeye
>was doing his so you
>got answered twice


Thanks for the info!
 
>Hey! Why all the hate? Other
>states outside of Utah provide
>tags for auction, as well:
>
>
>CO = 16
>NV = 9
>NM = 9
>WY = 9
>MT = 5
>TX = 2
>ID = 2
>
>Utah just gives out a FEW
>more...
>
>UTAH = ~480
>


For the record, Colorado only has 9 auction licenses (and 9 raffle licenses).
 
"But Utah is the envy of the sportsmen and F&G departments in every western state." Well, at least that's what I have been told by the powers that be.

-Hawkeye-
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-16 AT 07:27PM (MST)[p]>i don't get why tri state
>is so pro Utah sfw.
>He isn't even A
>resident of Utah so tell
>what a guy from half
>way across the country need
>to argue with the guys
>that are gettin screwed over?
>My guess is he is
>saving up to buy a
>tag or two and doesn't
>wanna miss his chance to
>cut to the front of
>the line. Or maybe he
>just has the don
>as a client. What
>a shame it would be
>if he lost that guy
>for a client.

He, like SFW, MDF, DWR (and others), thinks that the marketing of public tags by private entities is the ONLY way to save hunting for him and supposedly, everybody else. But what they don't understand (or are not willing to tell you) is that that wonderful way of doing it carries with it a dangerous and possibly devastating flaw. It's true that it works for them, especially in Utah, but only so long as the Governor, Legislature and, frankly, the LDS Church are highly sportsmen friendly. But if any of those things change, that source of income that they are putting so much stake into, could also change with just a stroke or two of a pen by the governor or a vote from the Wildlife Board who the governor choses, or an anti-hunting announcement, even a casual one, by the LDS Church. Is that a stretch? Maybe, but who woulda thought 10 years ago that Salt Lake City, the home of the Mormon Church, would elect a lesbian mayor, or that the Utah legislature would be arguing which of two bills legalizing marijuana would they prefer to pass. Times are a'changing and hunting is far less popular than it was when I was growing up.

And with Don Peay campaigning for Donald Trump who is currently running in 3rd place here, according to polls, the connections to SFW will be made and SFW will continue having to scramble to explain themselves to the Utah voters. Good luck to them doing that, when most Utahns, even hunters, are already appalled at $410,000 deer tags.

Add to that, the push to take over federal land in order to maximize it's worth (sound familiar?), beginning with a $14 million dollar contract with a law firm who are the ones recommending a day (or several months) in court. And if SFW thinks they can stave off the selling of that land to the highest bidder by buying it themselves or by lobbying the legislators, they highly underestimate their worth and influence.

Finally, regardless of whether or not any of this happens, if the conservation organizations marketing those tags continue advancing down this road, the vast majority of Utah sportsmen will still end up on the losing end. If they lose to tree-huggers, wilderness advocates, animal rightists, oil companies, ranchers, educators, or whoever, and sportsmen lose more opportunities to hunt and fish, they'll take us with them. And if they win, it'll only be because they had to throw us less active/non-trophy hunters, and fishermen under the bus to get there. Enough already!
 
>"But Utah is the envy of
>the sportsmen and F&G departments
>in every western state."
>Well, at least that's what
>I have been told by
>the powers that be.
>
>-Hawkeye-


Dang near ruined my computer with Pepsi when I read that one!
 
5567tagpimp.jpg


Ya 500 wealth tags, but everyone is overlooking the fact that The Don planted like 1,000 pheasants for us little people. He's thinkin about us too.

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Wyoming has 20 Governor tags. 5 moose, & 5 sheep
Wyoming has around 12 super raffle tags
Wyoming has 54 commissioner tags. The lamest thing about commissioner tags is there is zero money mandated back to wildlife. Some money makes it back through the conservation groups but lots goes to 4H, library foundations, Wild horse sanctuaries and other non wildlife causes.

This is a far cry from Utah but at least when I drive through Utah there is a habitat project going on about everywhere you look. If habitat is the problem Utah is on the right track. Give it 15-20 years we'll see.
 
>Wyoming has 20 Governor tags.
>5 moose, & 5 sheep
>
>Wyoming has around 12 super raffle
>tags
>Wyoming has 54 commissioner tags.
>The lamest thing about commissioner
>tags is there is zero
>money mandated back to wildlife.
> Some money makes it
>back through the conservation groups
>but lots goes to 4H,
>library foundations, Wild horse sanctuaries
>and other non wildlife causes.
>
>
>This is a far cry from
>Utah but at least when
>I drive through Utah there
>is a habitat project going
>on about everywhere you look.
> If habitat is the
>problem Utah is on the
>right track. Give it 15-20
>years we'll see.

I can't disagree one bit that the Commissioner tag situation in Wyoming is poorly done and should be redesigned similar to the auction tags at the Utah Expo. All the money from the Super Raffle goes directly to the F&G, so I have no problem with that. As far as I know the Governor tags money is closely monitored and goes back to help each species for which the tag was sold.
 
Topgun,

Those numbers were based on an article from a particular unnamed hunting magazine that was advertising to it's members what tags were available to the public for purchase (auction).

I realize it's not going to be perfectly accurate, but I think it still has value in highlighting the great disparity between Utah and other states. There is at least an order of magnitude, or two, difference.
 
I don't agree with ANY public draw tags being funneled to the rich in the name of conservation. I think proper management can be accomplished from increasing general public's participation and using that $$$ for conservation.

Removing opportunity from the general (non-rich) public, in order to chase rich man's $$$ is short-sighted. In the long-run will require continued removal of tags for the rich in order to keep up with the loss of future hunters.
 
>Does anybody know the ratio of
>wealth tags to regular LE
>draw tags?

That percentage is really irrelevant because UDWR only skims off the most valuable primo big game tags, not $40 general deer tags. The entitlement minded outfitter supporters of The Don's model love to harp on the fact they only want 1% of the tags. The AZSFW board members all spouted this during the AZ HB2072 fiasco. But you do the math. One $400,000 Antelope Island deer tag = TEN THOUSAND $40 general deer tags. You think SFW is interested in stealing $40 tags for auction or raffle? I don't see any on the OP's list, do you?

SFW is all about exploitation of a valuable resource. Wildlife enhancement projects are only a necessary expense in that endeavor.

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As I look at the total number of LE tags for Deer and Elk, it looks as though there are about 4400 total. This means that the roughly 440 conservation tags make up about 10% of the total LE tags.

A few have argued in the past that conservation tags wouldn't help the point creep all that much... But I think 10% would in fact reduce the point creep (though not eliminate it).

Having said that, I'm certain there is some common ground with some of these groups. Many of us might even agree with their goals. But knowing that a private organization (most likely non-profit) is making some individuals rich by using public tags... That is what doesn't sit well with so many of us.

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Also, something to think about. How many land owner tags are there that get sold? How many CWMU's do we have that have tags and are sold? Just saying, there are alot of tags out there not in the draws. I know there are a FEW tags in the draw for the CWMU's but not much.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-16 AT 08:46AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-16 AT 08:46?AM (MST)

>Also, something to think about.
>How many land owner tags
>are there that get sold?
> How many CWMU's do
>we have that have tags
>and are sold? Just
>saying, there are alot of
>tags out there not in
>the draws. I know
>there are a FEW tags
>in the draw for the
>CWMU's but not much.


Generally speaking, the private to public tag split is 90/10 or 80/20, in some cases - like for antelope - the split can be 60/40. That could be the main reason that there are so few tags available in the drawing.
 
I think for every Conservation permit, there should be a Sportsman permit.(Not Sports expo tag)Sportsman permit $10.00 application fee.
This is Crazy how many Conservation permits are issued.
Where does the money go ?????
 
How are these tags stolen from the public? Are they or are they NOT available for anyone to buy? Cut down on your beer, smokes, 60k+ trucks, boats, side x sides, quads, and save a bit of money and damn near anyone can buy a tag every year. You all sound like the hippie liberals demanding free sh!t from the evil guy that has money.
If you don't like it then do what you tell all the libs when they cry about it not being fair....pull up your boot straps and work harder.
Pretty Facked up huh?!


Traditional >>>------->
 
Horsecreek,
Pretty bitter pill you're serving up there. I believe its caller reality. Nasty nasty stuff for a lot of people. Oh and on that same note the 200 tags are also available to anyone that wants to drive over an apply for them. They actually give a better chance to draw than the normal draw. But that is just crazy kool aid talk I know.
 
I attended a fundraising banquet with a friend just last weekend. We had a good time. The Paunsaugunt archery deer tag sold for $17K and the San Juan choice of weapon deer tag sold for $42K. So all of you whiny, jeaous, welfare-loving average joe's out there should simply stop smoking, stop drinking, quiting chewing, stop playing the Idaho lottery, cancel your playboy suscriptions, stop calling 1-900 numbers, and quit visiting the local massage parlors, and then you too could buy a high-dollar tag and hunt every year. I believe that is what they call reality.

In all seriousness, the good news is that if you can look past the commercialization of hunting and wildlife and all of the problems associated therewith, at least 90% of Conservation Permit money is earmarked for actual conservation projects and annually audited.

-Hawkeye-
 
If you draw a tag I want meat and horn audits on you. I want %100 transparency and accountability for every deer. That is the public trust and you owe the citizenry an explanation each time you dip into it.

While we are at it I think every recipient of a draw tag should have to take a drug test like some areas are proposing for all welfare recipients. THATS OUR TAGS YOU ARE GETTING you should have to answer for what you are doing with them. I want an independent auditor to tell us how much of your money went to conservation each year. I am disgusted you haven't voluntarily shared the information for the past 7 years so that obviously means you have something to hide.

:D
 
>I attended a fundraising banquet with
>a friend just last weekend.
> We had a good
>time. The Paunsaugunt archery
>deer tag sold for $17K
>and the San Juan choice
>of weapon deer tag sold
>for $42K. So all
>of you whiny, jeaous, welfare-loving
>average joe's out there should
>simply stop smoking, stop drinking,
>quiting chewing, stop playing the
>Idaho lottery, cancel your playboy
>suscriptions, stop calling 1-900 numbers,
>and quit visiting the local
>massage parlors, and then you
>too could buy a high-dollar
>tag and hunt every year.
> I believe that is
>what they call reality.
>
>In all seriousness, the good news
>is that if you can
>look past the commercialization of
>hunting and wildlife and all
>of the problems associated therewith,
>at least 90% of Conservation
>Permit money is earmarked for
>actual conservation projects and annually
>audited.
>
>-Hawkeye-

So are they or they not available for EVERY person to buy???? I bet there are a lot of guys on here that b!tch about these hunts that spend more than $15k on the stuff I mentioned in my previous post per year. When I drew an Monroe (resident) archery tag in 07 I figured all the numbers of gas, food, gear time away from work, etc.... It ended up being over $11K just for that hunt. I wasn't making SH!T at that time in my life. If you want something bad enough you'll sacrifice to make it happen. Sacrificing doesn't mean being a key board commando demanding that life is fair either.





Traditional >>>------->
 
Horsecreek-

Tristate is a fan. Congrats.

Yes, conservation permits are available to everyone that is willing and able to stroke a big check. For instance, the antelope Island tag was available for EVERY person to buy . . . if they were willing and able to write a check for $410K.

As I said in a prior post, the concern is the commercialization of hunting and the erosion of the North American Conservation Model. See Allocation of Wildlife by Law ("Wildlife is allocated to the public by law, as opposed to market principles, land ownership, or other status.") and Democracy of Hunting ("This tenet is inspired by Theodore Roosevelt's idea that open access to hunting would result in many benefits to society. The right to hunt in the United States and Canada by citizens of good standing is in contrast to nations where hunting is restricted to people with wealth, land ownership, or other special privileges.").

-Hawkeye-
 
>Horsecreek-
>
>Tristate is a fan. Congrats.
>
>
>Yes, conservation permits are available to
>everyone that is willing and
>able to stroke a big
>check. For instance, the
>antelope Island tag was available
>for EVERY person to buy
>. . . if they
>were willing and able to
>write a check for $410K.
>
>
>As I said in a prior
>post, the concern is the
>commercialization of hunting and the
>erosion of the North American
>Conservation Model. See Allocation
>of Wildlife by Law ("Wildlife
>is allocated to the public
>by law, as opposed to
>market principles, land ownership, or
>other status.") and Democracy of
>Hunting ("This tenet is inspired
>by Theodore Roosevelt's idea that
>open access to hunting would
>result in many benefits to
>society. The right to hunt
>in the United States and
>Canada by citizens of good
>standing is in contrast to
>nations where hunting is restricted
>to people with wealth, land
>ownership, or other special privileges.").
>
>
>-Hawkeye-

Why isn't there more b!tching about the cost to hunt in Alaska, Canada, NWT, BC, Yukon, Africa? Shouldn't every poor (average Joe true sportsman, real hunter) be able to hunt all these areas for cheap, cheap, cheap? I mean It's only fair right?

You have the RIGHT to hunt damn near anywhere in the world and for damn near any species......buuuuuuuut, Wait for it! YOU have to PAY to play. OMG what a concept!

I feel like I'm talking to my 3 year old explaining that life isn't fair.

Are you voting for Bernie? You sound like you love handouts






Traditional >>>------->
 
Looks like Tristate isn't the only one that just doesn't get it and is so far off that he has to bring three year olds into the mix, LOL! Maybe the two should get a room together.
 
I remember why I took a long break from this sh!t hole....It's easier talking to a wall than it is most of you.
Tristate has more informed opinions and talking points than most I've ever seen on this forum. He's got the balls to say the unpopular truth all too often. Problem is there are too many sheep that just like to follow....then complain when sh!t doesn't go their way.


Traditional >>>------->
 
Says the man who every single thing he owns was handed down to him by the government.

Why are yall surprised there are still people in this world who believe in earning things.


STANDING IN LINE WAITING YEARS FOR A TAG IS NOT EARNING ANYTHING. That's being a good trained monkey.
 
HorseCreek-

You are comparing apples and oranges. How expensive are resident permits in Canada and Alaska? Cheap. For instance, a resident grizzly bear tag in Alaska is $25. What is expensive for guys like me and you is the travel, the outfitter, the guide, etc. We are not talking about the cost of travel, the cost for the guide, the cost for food and lodging on this thread. That is irrelevant.

What we are discussing is moving more tags out of the general draw in order to create more wealth tags. I don't consider myself rich but I could certainly buy a conservation permit every year if I wanted to without feeling too much of a pinch. But there are many sportsman who cannot. I believe it would be greedy and short sighted to push for a system that benefits me at the expense of other sportsman and our children.

I don't think it is right to keep creating more and more wealth tags in the supposed name of conservation. Utah is leading the way down this slippery slope and I believe that it will result in a loss of opportunity for our children and grandchildren despite Don's claims that he is creating the "Serengeti of the West."

And finally, congratulations! You are the first person to tell Tristate that he has "informed opinions and talking points" and the "balls to say the unpopular truth." You two should partner up and buy yourself a nice little plot of private land in south texas where you can short corn fed deer from your blind and charge trespass fees to friends and neighbors. Leave the rest of us socialists up here in Utah to enjoy our public lands, public stream access (if we get it back), and what is left of the North American Conservation Model.

-Hawkeye-
 
>I remember why I took a
>long break from this sh!t
>hole....It's easier talking to a
>wall than it is most
>of you.
>Tristate has more informed opinions and
>talking points than most I've
>ever seen on this forum.
>He's got the balls to
>say the unpopular truth all
>too often. Problem is there
>are too many sheep that
>just like to follow....then complain
>when sh!t doesn't go their
>way.

This is too funny on so many levels....
 
>Says the man who every single
>thing he owns was handed
>down to him by the
>government.
>
>Why are yall surprised there are
>still people in this world
>who believe in earning things.
>
>STANDING IN LINE WAITING YEARS FOR
>A TAG IS NOT EARNING
>ANYTHING. That's being a
>good trained monkey.

So I guess you're implying The Don isn't going to give me one of the precious pheasants he planted for us little people, despite all the money I invested for my 19 deer points? BTW Do you know the name of the Mossback fat cat who's got my deer tag hangin out his back pocket?



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LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-16 AT 08:12PM (MST)[p]Zim,
I know who it was. It was someone that valued the tag more than you did Zim. Several more available if you're interested. I'll even go to the banquet and bid for you...free of charge. I'll even ask Don to throw a couple cocks in for you. Or come on out to Utah and you can shoot a couple over my pup if that's how you prefer taking them.
 
>I remember why I took a
>long break from this sh!t
>hole....It's easier talking to a
>wall than it is most
>of you.
>Tristate has more informed opinions and
>talking points than most I've
>ever seen on this forum.
>He's got the balls to
>say the unpopular truth all
>too often. Problem is there
>are too many sheep that
>just like to follow....then complain
>when sh!t doesn't go their
>way.

I'm amazed at how far off the mark this person is. Rather than address the philosophical change from the North American model he is advocating in his posts, he just keeps saying the same thing over and over in a more insulting manner. I hope he sticks around. You cannot write this stuff.
>
>
>Traditional >>>------->
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-16 AT 09:35PM (MST)[p]>"Give me". Some words speak
>volumes.

Thanks, I learned them from The Don back when he took over the Utah wildlife board. They came right in front of "200 premium public trophy tags" or something.

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I just wanted to add some input to the discussion about the economics of the expo. So many people are focused on the monetary cost of the auction and raffle tags. However economists recognize that costs can be measured in things other than monetary currency. One of the greatest costs people can pay is TIME. The fundamental flaw associated with diverting so many tags to secondary markets is the enormous TIME cost Average Joe draw hunters pay to make these tags available in secondary markets. TIME costs are hard to measure and the con-orgs don't make a point of educating the politicians or the public about their real value. Forbes put out a great article on the cost of TIME. It covers it better than I could.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/02/28/economics-time-price-oped-time08-cx_pm_0229maidment.html

When you consider an elderly draw hunter could apply for decades and then have someone else pay slightly more than face value for that diverted tag at a banquet and steal what could be the final year of his hunting life. The TIME cost (or opportunity cost) that poor draw hunter paid was priceless. To the auction bidder it was probably a couple grand. Either way, the brokering organization made money and some administrator made a few bucks. And the poor draw hunter sits on the sideline wondering what happened to his youth. Con orgs prey on the financially unsophisticated like Tristate, they know people are inherently lazy and dollars are easier to wrap their heads around than the more abstract costs like TIME.

One of my college economics professors illustrated the value of TIME by comparing the time cost a ticket scalper would pay to a homeless person to stand in line for him at a box office. The value to the homeless person might be the five bucks he earns to stand in the line for an hour, but the value of the tickets could be in the hundreds or thousands to the scalper. That homeless guy got chump change while the scalper made a bundle. The regular consumers that stood in line behind the homeless guy may never get to the front of the line and would be forced to consider the secondary market for tickets or not go at all. Those consumers pay the price premium for loose ticket controls at the box office or lax anti-scalping laws in their state. Most states have actually banned ticket scalping because it generally works against the best interests of consumers. Some colleges will actually cancel season ticketholders if they scalp their seats.

I believe that the Utah Wildlife model is a runaway ticket scalping circus. The only difference is that the tickets are owned by the public and the scalpers have a reserved allotment of the best tickets and don't even have to wait in line to get them. I have included a link that analyzes the economics of ticket scalping. I think there are some parallels between scalping and the Utah wildlife model. Particularly in regards to negative consumer outcomes.

http://jimmyatkinson.com/papers/the-economics-of-ticket-scalping/

Ryan
 
Nobody forced that dumb old sucker how to spend his time. His choice not ours. Just because he spent years buying into a broke system waiting like a handout junky doesn't mean the rest of the nation has to pay for it nor does it mean that the same broken system must continue on as it has.

I have to go blow my nose now.
 
>I have to go blow my
>nose now.

Well at least you finally acknowledge the taxidermy fumes are a problem and you are taking progressive action. Now were getting somewhere.

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>Zim,
>I know who it was. It
>was someone that valued the
>tag more than you did
>Zim. Several more available
>if you're interested. I'll
>even go to the banquet
>and bid for you...free of
>charge. I'll even ask
>Don to throw a couple
>cocks in for you.
>Or come on out to
>Utah and you can shoot
>a couple over my pup
>if that's how you prefer
>taking them.

Thanks but I don't use entitlement minded outfitters. I'm a DIYer.

*****************************************************
Greenhorns educate yourselves. Wherever SFW goes, scandals and corruption follow. Write your legislators:

http://kutv.com/news/local/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-hungtin-and-conservation-expo

https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-king-baron/

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...ares-north-american-hunting-model-“socialism”

http://www.standard.net/Recreation/...16-Western-Hunting-and-Conservation-Expo.html

http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013...on-essentially-buy-utah-division-of-wildlife/

http://westernvaluesproject.org/tax...hunting-energy-industry-over-hunters-anglers/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/u...-but-hunters-cry-foul.html?smid=pl-share&_r=2

http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891
 
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Zim,
I'm a total DIY. The tags are not connected with any outfitter. The guys I hunt with that buy them are DIY. In fact many many many of the tags are DIY. They just love to hunt and value that above other things. We usually make it a family outing. Can't beat enjoying the outdoors with those you love!
 
>Zim,
>I'm a total DIY. The
>tags are not connected with
>any outfitter. The guys
>I hunt with that buy
>them are DIY. In
>fact many many many of
>the tags are DIY.

73,
That's fine, sorry but I personally just don't happen to believe anything I hear come out of the mouth of a SFW supporter. Goes back to 2012 in Arizona with HB2072. I got a lot of flack back then for stopping it, during which time I received many threats. Upon researching later, I came to learn the true identities of no less than ten MM posters who support SFW. All ten of them had ties to SFW and money to be gained by the legislation, namely outfitters, relatives with Mossback, SFW board members, or SFW employees. BillyTheKid comes to mind as one. As a result I became quite disillusioned by anyone defending SFW, and simply don't believe anything they say. So if you indeed have nothing to financially gain, you can attribute my disrespect to these other SFW brothers of yours. It's nothing personal. I just don't believe you.


*****************************************************
Greenhorns educate yourselves. Wherever SFW goes, scandals and corruption follow. Write your legislators:

http://kutv.com/news/local/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-hungtin-and-conservation-expo

https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-king-baron/

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...ares-north-american-hunting-model-“socialism”

http://www.standard.net/Recreation/...16-Western-Hunting-and-Conservation-Expo.html

http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013...on-essentially-buy-utah-division-of-wildlife/

http://westernvaluesproject.org/tax...hunting-energy-industry-over-hunters-anglers/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/u...-but-hunters-cry-foul.html?smid=pl-share&_r=2

http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-12-16
>AT 11:11?AM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-12-16
>AT 11:10?AM (MST)
>
>Zim,
>I'm a total DIY. The
>tags are not connected with
>any outfitter. The guys
>I hunt with that buy
>them are DIY. In
>fact many many many of
>the tags are DIY. They
>just love to hunt and
>value that above other things.
> We usually make it
>a family outing. Can't
>beat enjoying the outdoors with
>those you love!


Muley_73 half of these sfw guys wouldn't have a clue what to do on a diy hunt. If its not farm raised sitting by a food plot or a fully guided hunt they wouldn't know what to do.
 
No problem Zim, I'll be enjoy another turkey hunt with my son this year and another elk season chasing big bulls with my family and friends. It sure beats the hell out of sitting at home whining about the system.

As for Mossback fat cats I appreciate the dollars they put into the system that allows me to afford general tags and see improvements across the state. Just like I appreciate the others that hunt with other outfitters and the others that DYI. I support and appreciate all sportdman for putting their money where there mouth is. Doers and whiners.....it keeps coming back to that.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-12-16 AT 02:21PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-12-16 AT 02:15?PM (MST)

Really??? Please tell me who it is that you're refering to. I'm interested in exactly the half that you are talking about. That would be approx 140 names. Please tell me the 140 you're talking about. PM them to me or feel free to list it here. I'm basing my comments off of facts. Where is your info coming from???

Brian,
If that's what you really beleive it honestly does go to show how uninformed you really are. Not surprising in the least bit to me.
 
> It sure beats the
>hell out of sitting at
>home whining about the system.

73, Perhaps some MMers meet your impression. However, I would not be one of them. I quit posting on here a lot since 2012. Back then I learned it was much more productive writing legislators and contacting media to cover corruption like the first link below. Slam dunked Arizona HB2072 in Mossback's face. And contributed to get this KUTV coverage in Utah as well. Just like AJ Hammons & my alma mater Purdue slam dunking on Michigan today! Should get a good NCAA seed. :)

*****************************************************
Greenhorns educate yourselves. Wherever SFW goes, scandals and corruption follow. Write your legislators:

http://kutv.com/news/local/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-hungtin-and-conservation-expo

https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-king-baron/

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...ares-north-american-hunting-model-“socialism”

http://www.standard.net/Recreation/...16-Western-Hunting-and-Conservation-Expo.html

http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013...on-essentially-buy-utah-division-of-wildlife/

http://westernvaluesproject.org/tax...hunting-energy-industry-over-hunters-anglers/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/u...-but-hunters-cry-foul.html?smid=pl-share&_r=2

http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891
 
>Really??? Please tell me who it
>is that you're refering to.
> I'm interested in exactly
>the half that you are
>talking about. That would
>be approx 140 names.
>Please tell me the 140
>you're talking about. PM
>them to me or feel
>free to list it here.
> I'm basing my comments
>off of facts. Where
>is your info coming from???

Don't mean to interrupt, but I can definitely help you here. Just go on YouTube and search "Utah Mule Deer". You will find over 140 Mossback videos for the Paunsaugunt alone! At the end of each one you'll see a fat guy in the center of the picture surrounded by 6-15 spotters (bounty hunters). They almost always identify the fat guy by name. It will take a while to get 140 but you can enjoy a lot of good deer footage while doing so. I think all their bounty hunters carry video cameras.


*****************************************************
Greenhorns educate yourselves. Wherever SFW goes, scandals and corruption follow. Write your legislators:

http://kutv.com/news/local/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-hungtin-and-conservation-expo

https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-king-baron/

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...ares-north-american-hunting-model-“socialism”

http://www.standard.net/Recreation/...16-Western-Hunting-and-Conservation-Expo.html

http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013...on-essentially-buy-utah-division-of-wildlife/

http://westernvaluesproject.org/tax...hunting-energy-industry-over-hunters-anglers/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/u...-but-hunters-cry-foul.html?smid=pl-share&_r=2

http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891
 
Don't get butt hurt at me muley that is SFW's reputation lazy pay for my trophy hunters. Ignorant dishonest group of guys who have no morals and are just money greedy scabs on the hunting world.

Sorry but sfw has earned every part of their reputation classless
 
Brian,
You obviously haven't been around on MM long enough to know that I don't ever get "butt hurt". I'm too happy living life, enjoying the outdoors and doing what I love to do to get butt hurt over interweb opions and banter. But I do find your comment very telling.

SFW "scabs", businessmen and women, yes some very successful, factory workers, doctors, construction workers, small business owners, big business owners, teachers, lawyers, engineers, cabinet makers, bankers, oil workers, politicians, pro athletes, real estate moguls, real estate salesman, some religious, some not so much, I could go on but you get the point. These are the people that make the world go round. Some have been very successful, some are average joes. But they all make ups the SFW and some do purchase conservation tags. Generating millions of dollars that have gone toward wildlife conservation in the state of Utah.

Brian, You have a very interesting view of the American Dream and those that choose to live it.

Hawkeye,
That's a fine group you're championing there. To be proud of for sure!
 
Back at you Cody. There are lots of good people on this site from all walks of life - businessmen and women, yes some very successful, factory workers, doctors, construction workers, small business owners, big business owners, teachers, lawyers, engineers, cabinet makers, bankers, oil workers, politicians, pro athletes, real estate moguls, real estate salesman, etc.

I don't champion any group of people. Rather, I am championing to fix a problem that should have been fixed long ago.

The opinions that people have of SFW are a direct result of the actions of SFW. You guys could have taken steps long ago to address the growing frustrations of sportsmen. But instead, you have chosen ignore the questions and concerns, repudiate calls for accountability, and label anyone who asks questions as whiners, socialists, cry babies and haters. SFW has done more to damage its own image than I or handful of "interweb whiners" could ever do.

-Hawkeye-
 
Jason,
From the turn out at banquets, the expo and recent decisions made by our legislators I'd say their reputation in the real world is just fine.

I find it interesting that you take no ownership in carrying the flag for your supporters. What are you afraid of? Do you not want to be associated with these people?
 
Haha that's a lot of occupations. I am a Purdue graduate and an engineer and still a low life hillbilly by SFW standards. But I kinda doubt there are enough members to include all your list there, considering there are only 13,000 members in the entire country, by SFW estimate. I doubt that is accurate though since they cook all the other books. Why leave out that one?

Anyway congrats fellow little people of Idaho for your victory Friday. Keep it up.

**************************************
Greenhorns educate yourselves. Wherever SFW goes, scandals and corruption follow. Write your legislators:

http://kutv.com/news/local/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-hungtin-and-conservation-expo

https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-king-baron/

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...ares-north-american-hunting-model-“socialism”

http://www.standard.net/Recreation/...16-Western-Hunting-and-Conservation-Expo.html

http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013...on-essentially-buy-utah-division-of-wildlife/

http://westernvaluesproject.org/tax...hunting-energy-industry-over-hunters-anglers/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/u...-but-hunters-cry-foul.html?smid=pl-share&_r=2

http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891
 
>Brian,
>You obviously haven't been around on
>MM long enough to know
>that I don't ever get
>"butt hurt". I'm too
>happy living life, enjoying the
>outdoors and doing what I
>love to do to get
>butt hurt over interweb opions
>and banter. But I do
>find your comment very telling.
>
>
>SFW "scabs", businessmen and women,
> yes some very successful,
>factory workers, doctors, construction workers,
>small business owners, big business
>owners, teachers, lawyers, engineers, cabinet
>makers, bankers, oil workers, politicians,
>pro athletes, real estate moguls,
>real estate salesman, some religious,
>some not so much, I
>could go on but you
>get the point. These
>are the people that make
>the world go round.
>Some have been very successful,
>some are average joes. But
>they all make ups the
>SFW and some do purchase
>conservation tags. Generating millions
>of dollars that have gone
>toward wildlife conservation in the
>state of Utah.
>
>Brian, You have a very
>interesting view of the American
>Dream and those that choose
>to live it.
>
>Hawkeye,
>That's a fine group you're championing
>there. To be proud
>of for sure!


Oh yes muley I am sure there are good people on that boat. But you also have some very fine trolls on here that do the same thing that I just did. Categorize anybody who has had enough of this secretive crap sfw produces.and calls them whiners that have no say and do not matter. So now the shoe is on the other foot it's an issue.

I have never met Hawkeye or probably 99% of the people on this site that are fed up with sfw and have had enough.

The reality is sfw brought this reputation on all by themselves from being non transparent, secretive and money hungry.

They had a chance early on to do great things for this state but got to money hungry and greedy losing the public's trust and painting an ugly picture of themselves.THERE FAULT NOT OURS. and I sure the heck don't feel bad for anybody you mentioned above for getting painted with a bad brush.

Because at this point the only people who are supporting them are people who benefit from their cash cow in some way or another hunts,sponsors,etc.

Or people who for some stupid reason are flattered by their higher ups hoping to get on the cash wagon.
 
I also think it's funny you guys single Hawkeye out. their are literally hundreds of forum members calling you guys out.

Maybe it's because Hawkeye thread after thread has punched you guys right in the mouth with FACTS. and you guys can't stand it

Maybe you guys should send that expensive champagne you had on tap for your big Idaho victory and send it to some of these whiner haters on here instead.
 
Brian,
I'm guessing that 90% of your knowledge of the issues has come from the interweb. So I somewhat get your lack of understanding. As far as Idaho. I'm not to concerned, that's not really something I've had interest in. The people of Idaho can decide how to handle things they love there and effects them more than its effects me. I'll just continue to hunt there the way I always have.
 
>Brian,
>I'm guessing that 90% of your
>knowledge of the issues has
>come from the interweb.
>So I somewhat get your
>lack of understanding. As
>far as Idaho. I'm
>not to concerned, that's
>not really something I've had
>interest in. The people
>of Idaho can decide how
>to handle things they love
>there and effects them more
>than its effects me.
>I'll just continue to hunt
>there the way I always
>have.

Muley my knowledge comes from all the research I have done reading addendums press releases etc and yes alot of that comes from public records on the internet. All of the info I could possibly gather has made me come to the conclusion sfw has missed spent millions of dollars . Most of wich sfw hides.

My conclusion comes from commen sense. A scam is a scam there is a reason sfw hides all of their money.

So we don't need to hear the hidden agenda or the you guys don't have a clue excuse anymore. you guys have played those excuses out.
 
Cody, so tell us where the $10 million was spent? You boys have the records and receipts, right?

-Hawkeye-
 
Hawkeye,
That's way out of my knowledge. I base my support off of results not analyzing paperwork. Like I've said from the beginning show me a group doing more and I'll support that group too. My focus is wildlife conservation and the future of that wildlife. I'm not hung up on a personal vendetta and defeating a sportsman group. To me that seems totally counter productive to my end goals.
 

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