That's kind of what I was getting at with this post. It can't be assumed that the person is breaking the law just by having a trail cam out after July 31st.
Send it to Ukraine! They could use a few of those right now.
Why are they not trash before July 31st?
How is it a loophole to use a trail camera as a hobby on a unit I am not hunting and have no intentions of sharing information to someone that is hunting that unit?
one thing with this vote that alot of people dont realize is as of right now you can still use them for non hunting purposes,. however kevin albrecht and others in the division have been talking with legislatures to get this passed at the state level for and all out no cameras on public property without a special permit from the dwr between the givin dates. This came strait from Kevins mouth in our conversation about the ban.
False. It’s only for big game that they can’t be used. If a fellow has got them out to photograph ground squirrels then you sir are a thief.
How many times have you come across a tree that looks just like this while out hunting? I personally have not seen any.
I’ve never owned a camera, but I hate a two faced person and yes hoss you are one. Maybe someone should tow your trailer off the mountain down to the forest service parking lot in ephraim and hope it doesn’t come unhitched on the way down.
Unfortunately I've seen it many times on the general unit that I hunt. And I've heard it's much worse on the "premier" units.
I’m right there with you. the last five years have definitely gotten worse.
I've personally seen a few spots close to this. General season and limited Entry.
Got any pictures to prove your claim
Any pictures of it to prove your claim?
Any pictures of it to prove it?
I legally hunt that rancher's private and leased property. Both the husband and wife spoke about it, and I can tell you they mentioned ONLY ONE of the watering stations! Those cameras are on EVERY watering station I've hunted, even on their private property where there's "hunting by permission only" signs. Maybe it isn't statewide, but that doesn't matter to them. They have enough damage from the elk and wild horses and don't need any more from "hunters".
So it sounds like we have an issue with cameras and water so regulate that. Where I hunt its rare I see another camera.
I'm not usually in the habit of photographing other people's trail cams, but here's one example.
Is this location on a water source
Yes
My word that’s all I have. The last 5 years has by far been the worst.
Thanks Doyle
Problem is people try and loophole everything.
Ummmm wasn’t that tree stands?
I thought they might do something like this. I'm surprised more people didn't suggest it.
Hossy you’re a clown. You take a photo from an ADVERTISEMENT to use in your argument? Well I guess since you don’t actually spend any time out on the mountain you would have to do such a thing,
Yeah maybe we could get registered numbers for optics, rangefinders, radios, gps, are bullets and we could pay even more money and keep regulating and registering tell theres nothing left. Or we could just quit worrying about dumb crap and go hunt. Geez you people amaze me.
So clearly an issue on water so why didn' t we just address where the issues are occurring.
Axe? Hello 2003. If you’re going to trash talk you gotta stay relevant. It’s all about the Manscaped brand or dr Sasquatch.
I would guess that people who support this change would say that trail cameras are an issue regardless of whether they are on water or not.
Yeah I seen alot of your presentations at the meetings pictures of trail camera advertisement pictures didnt see anything that was actually represented the way I see it in the field. Who is Robyn?
I agree people will use the “loophole” if there is one once the bill is written but that does not justify destroying property that is not yours.
Lol, no I didn't think it was picture worthy at the time, and I haven't been back.
Agreed.
Put your name and phone number on them will call you, if it's not their, well turn them in to the DWR and you can pick them up their
Last time I checked we was not required to put a name and number on them per law. If they are out past July 31st and not being used for the aid of take big game completely legal.
Why would I put them on your land, pond, or water line?
Ya and then I'll take the water law and line the cam with the trash card, I'll run around with my pants down in the trash cam. So be a gooder hunter like me see?
The ranchers also blabbered on incoherently about a bunch of BS that had nothing to do with trail cams. If you want to talk about what impacts the herd we can discuss the overgrazing on the SW Desert.
It's because of hunters like you we are going to lock all our gates this year and post our land.
Good keep your cows behind your gates too, might allow the elk and deer a chance to eat something on the public.
My question would be do you plan on hunting it possibly one day? Would you use the Intel from the cameras to help you take a big game animal?
Couldn't agree with you more on this one!
We pay for each cow we put on BLM, we keep water in the ponds on BLM, we fix the fences on BLM, this is for the deer, elk and cows, what do you do, but to complain
If that is the case, then I think you're fine to use the trail cam. No harm no foul. Good luck to you this year!
How much do you pay to go on BLM and Forest land, how much do you pay to fix fences, haul water to ponds, your way off on the price per cow, we don't complain about deer and elk
Your probably the same landowner complaining about crop damage. But won't let hunters on your land to help try and get rid of your problem.
I think most would gladly give up the "good" you bring to the wildlife table if in return you pull your cows off the range. It's a disgrace what goes on on Boulder, Dutton, Paunsaugunt, SW Desert. To show up and whine about a trail camera is ridiculous. The length of the chain this state gives the cattlemen is way too lenient and needs to be addressed. Whining about a camera on a public spring, meanwhile the cattle decimate the range is a good way to put egg on your face.
I belive dogvalley had let hunters hunt his land, he posted in post #74 that he was going to start locking gates and post his property.
Now that’s a trophy tree!!
For me, the sarcastic comments about loopholes are simple enough indicators of whom will be "using cameras for recreational purposes" ?
I agree, but I also think his decision to change his vote had more to do with land owner alliances then anything.
Are you implying that if somebody else has a recreational camera on a water hole that means you can't hunt in the same area?
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You probably own 13 acres of BLM. Sweet. Lock it up!
There is no grey area at all Hoss! It says no using cameras after a certain date for BIG GAME... Are turkeys big game? No. Black and white.
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