LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-14 AT 06:06PM (MST)[p]>I don't know what field your
>doctorate degree is in, but
>I'm pretty sure it isn't
>math, logistics, biology or English
>
>
>Elkfromabove,
>You'd be very surprised which of
>those it is. My entire
>point is what others are
>saying here. Whether or not
>1,000 or all 10,000 DH
>hit all 3 seasons it's
>entirely too liberal a hunt
>if we want to sustain
>decent buck numbers. I'll point
>out that the Wasatch Front
>held considerably higher numbers of
>160-180 class bucks prior to
>the extended hunt which keeps
>hunting pressure on for almost
>5 months. Say what you
>want but lessening pressure and
>days afield is one way
>to allow better carryover year
>to year. It doesn't solve
>all but definitely helps.
>And as far as the math,
>my point is that 81000
>tag holders hunt one season,
>10,000 can hunt 3. 10000
>x 3= 30000. If DH
>went all 3 seasons the
>ratio is 87000/30000 or 34.4%.
>Way to look past your
>slack jawed simple view of
>the earth. Piper is on
>the right track - DH
>is outdated my friend.
You have one thing right, I'd be very surprised which one of those doctorates I mentioned is yours.
1) Your original post refers to getting "Utah's mule deer back on track", when what you really meant, per your subsequent posts, was getting Utah's TROPHY BUCK mule deer back on track, whatever your definition of "on track" may mean.
2) Your original post also refers to 10,000 Dedicated Hunter TAGS as being "a 1/3 of the total TAGS given in the state. Then you attempt to justify that error by referring to SEASONS in your latest post (see above). Even then you're in error! 87000/30000 is actually 290%. 30000/87000 is the 34.4% you quote. (34.5% if you round it off correctly)
3) Throughout your posts you use misnomers and loose definitions, ie; "back on track", "most pressure", "better deer carryover", "hell of a lot more people", "overcrowding" (my favorite), "too liberal a hunt", "decent buck numbers", "slack jaw simple view of the earth"(my least favorite). You also like to switch from "deer" to "bucks", "tags" to "seasons", "pressure" to "harvest" and "pressure" to "hunting. Please make up your mind.
4) Throughout your posts you also use loose figures and maximum case scenerios to justify your agenda. While there is a 10,000 cap on the number of allowed Dedicated Hunters, there are currently only about 6,000 of them. And while those 6,000 all have the opportunity to hunt all 3 seasons, not all of them do. In fact, I would be surprised if even 1/2 of them do. In any case, it's certainly not the 30,000 seasons you use to make your point.
5) You also assume that all hunters are out in the field only during the hunts, but I know lots of hunters that scout for 3 or 4 months before the season and hunt sheds 2 months after the season. Many of them are "hunting" deer much more than a Dedicated Hunter would. And you ignore the pressure on deer from hundreds of hikers, bikers, woodcutters, 4-wheelers, photographers and other species hunters that are out in the deer woods. Those deer don't know who's hunting them and who's not.
Utah's mule deer herds are struggling just like they are in all the western states, but it has nothing to do with the Dedicated Hunter Program.
You apparently approach your solutions and remarks from a trophy hunter's mentality with little to no regard for the hunting mentality of others. As strange as it may sound to you, some of us don't care whether or not we get a "trophy" according to your definition of a "trophy". We just love the hunting experience, but that doesn't make us less worthy of a permit! You are very welcome to choose your type of hunt and there are sufficient opportunities for you to do so, including the Dedicated Hunter program. Instead of fighting it, it sounds to me like you should join it!