Vaccine experience?

Have you been vaccinated?

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Shadow said:
Question, Gator. Once you kicked the virus, how much effect did it have on your overall health and energy level? How long until you felt like yourself again?
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I don't know about Gator but I was SICK in bed for 3 weeks, lost 20 lbs.....then it was gone...no after effects
 
I am 58, received the Moderna vaccine in April, and have had very little in terms of side-effects. I had to stop sawing wood the day after my second shot because I grew tired after just an hour or two, but that has been it. I didn't worry much about the concerns I have heard expressed about it because so many of them have no real basis in fact. For example, the suggestion that it would enter and alter one's DNA-it just doesn't work that way. That is not to say that there may be some side effects that are not anticipated, but I have not seen them yet, nor do I believe we will based upon the data available at this time. The way this vaccine works is just not that much different from the sorts we have employed for decades.
 
Start another poll, under 50 healthy, and over 50. I don't begrudge anyone that wants to be vaccinated (walked the shot line in boot), I have an issue with those demanding I be vaccinated. Does your shot work or doesn't it? If it works, what does it matter what I do? If it doesn't, why the hell would I get it? 54, no pre existing conditions, veteran, republican, actuaully WORK for a living, want to be left the F alone more than anything! I'm confident in the length of my coock, leave me out of your contest.....
 
Got both back in June, zero issues. Wife and two kids followed a week later. Both kids felt flu like for half the day after the second dose and that was it. Wife was same as me, zero issues.
 
I'd hate to be unvaccinated and end up in the hospital here. This from our news blog yesterday. We've had a surge of cases the last 2 weeks.
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One frustrated employee explained, “All the beds are taken. They’re talking about converting the PACU – post anesthesia care unit – into a secondary ICU because people are unvaccinated monsters!”

A nurse told us. “We are doing our best and our team is tired. They are just done.” The hospital is stretched thin to the point of having borrowed beds recently from Santa Rosa, and it recently had to make temporary modifications to rooms for COVID patients just to keep up.

Edit: Here's the link

kymkemp.com

St. Joe’s ICU Full, New COVID Rooms Crafted as Equipment and Staff Shortages Make Situation Desperate, Other Hospitals Facing Similar Situations

Staff at Eureka’s St. Joseph Hospital tell us the ICU is “incapcitated” with no additional beds available, and a lack of high acuity equipment to meet urgent needs, especially in the Emergency Department. In the Intensive Care Unit where COVID-19 cases are far outnumbering staff, they are...
kymkemp.com
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I'd hate to see what would happen if we had a real crisis like a big earthquake or something.
 
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DW said:
Start another poll, under 50 healthy, and over 50. I don't begrudge anyone that wants to be vaccinated (walked the shot line in boot), I have an issue with those demanding I be vaccinated. Does your shot work or doesn't it? If it works, what does it matter what I do? If it doesn't, why the hell would I get it? 54, no pre existing conditions, veteran, republican, actuaully WORK for a living, want to be left the F alone more than anything! I'm confident in the length of my coock, leave me out of your contest.....
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47, got the shot.

And agree with every word?
 
Shadow said:
Question, Gator. Once you kicked the virus, how much effect did it have on your overall health and energy level? How long until you felt like yourself again?
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about a month to get the strength back in the legs. Was tried about for 2 weeks would wake up after 6 hr of sleep (That sucked)
lost 18 lbs, was happy as hell get down to that weight class LOL
 
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roadrunner said:
"Unvaccinated monsters"?

What a pig...
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Our Government Said as Soon as the Hot Weather Showed Up it Would end the COVID!

Was It Not Hot This Year?

Somebody F'N Lied!
 
nfh said:
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That website was created by Mike Adams. He is a known quack. Also founded Natural News. He makes the Infowars guy sound legit.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/quackery/mike-adams-building-alternate-reality-online
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elkassassin said:
Our Government Said as Soon as the Hot Weather Showed Up it Would end the COVID!

Was It Not Hot This Year?

Somebody F'N Lied!
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Thats all they do is lie,lie add some fear, lie, lie and top it off with more fear. I pretty much dont watch any news or read any covid articles in the local paper. Pretty much over it
 
JB1975 said:
That website was created by Mike Adams. He is a known quack. Also founded Natural News. He makes the Infowars guy sound legit.
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So a qauk like fauci? You know the guy with deep dark secrets of the funded lab
 
JB1975 said:
Lol. I don't follow what Fauci says either. Take off your tinfoil hat. The world is not out to get you.
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No tinfoil hat here. Only the our worthless administration is out to get you. I think today pretty much proved that
 
nfh said:
No tinfoil hat here. Only the our worthless administration is out to get you. I think today pretty much proved that
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Agree fully that he is the worst President in my lifetime for sure, maybe ever. He needs to be dropped off at the gates of Kabul airport.
 
JakeInLasVegas said:
Again, I would advise you to look for consensus amongst experts. The veterinarian that you are referencing does have a degree in virology but a quick perusal of his posts demonstrate that he is advising against all mass vaccinations. He is clearly an outlier in this field of study. How many people do you know with smallpox, measles or polio? The data clearly shows that we have been able to control many infectious diseases through mass vaccination programs.
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How long did the trials and testing for those vaccines take? If you think that MAJOR shortcuts weren’t taken in the approval process to get the “Elect Me” vaccine out to the masses then you are a fool.

Again, I am not against it…..I have had vaccines for other illnesses, but I am highly suspicious of the speed in which it was produced…. I’d be willing to bet my paycheck that the actual recipe for the vax gets changed regularly without our knowledge as side effects pop up.

Also, I have spent a fair amount of time around doctors ….. Most primary care physicians are anything but experts…. Most do what they are told by their administration and anything that requires more than a bandaid or some antacid gets referred to a specialist.

PS… why is nobody talking about the fact that we cured the flu ??‍♂️
 
Hardway said:
PS… why is nobody talking about the fact that we cured the flu ??‍♂️
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Ummm, you just offered some of the best proof there is that masks and social distancing significantly prevent the spread of viruses.

The 2020-2021 flu season also had a record number of influenza vaccinations administered in the USA.

The bottom line is the epidemiologists were correct and influenza, which we all deal with every year, proves it.
 
grizzly said:
Ummm, you just offered some of the best proof there is that masks and social distancing significantly prevent the spread of viruses.

The 2020-2021 flu season also had a record number of influenza vaccinations administered in the USA.

The bottom line is the epidemiologists were correct and influenza, which we all deal with every year, proves it.
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Ummmm…..are you trying to make a counter point? Because none of what you said has anything to do with what I posted.
 
Shadow said:
Question, Gator. Once you kicked the virus, how much effect did it have on your overall health and energy level? How long until you felt like yourself again?
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Shadow

My friend and his wife both got it at the same time and ended up in the ICU for over two weeks. She got out first and while my buddy was still in the hospital she got pneumonia as her lungs never did quite kick it.
Now both of them made it that is the good news but both of them need an oxygen tank to breath and she can't go anywhere without it.
It has been months since he got it and still when I talk to him on the phone his breath is short and he has a hard time talking.
So I guess the answer is it effects some worse than others and you don't know if you are one of those that it effects the hardest.
Good luck I hope you get better
 
Hey Hardway!

grizzly is gonna Argue & Tell Us How Right Our Government is!

My Thoughts Exactly on them Changing The Vaccines & Not telling anybody about it!

There's alot of Guinea Pigs out there!

Most People Opting for the UN-F'N-TESTED & UN-F'N-PROVEN Vaccine!

And the NEWS Media BABBLIN Their BS!





Hardway said:
Ummmm…..are you trying to make a counter point? Because none of what you said has anything to do with what I posted.
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grizzly said:
Ummm, you just offered some of the best proof there is that masks and social distancing significantly prevent the spread of viruses.

The 2020-2021 flu season also had a record number of influenza vaccinations administered in the USA.

The bottom line is the epidemiologists were correct and influenza, which we all deal with every year, proves it.
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I don't think that's a foregone conclusion, as tempting and appealing as it might be. Mask wearing and social distancing didn't wipe out Covid-19 and they're both air born viruses floating around at the same time. Covid-19 might have eaten the flu virus.....I don't know.:)
 
grizzly said:
Ummm, you just offered some of the best proof there is that masks and social distancing significantly prevent the spread of viruses.

The 2020-2021 flu season also had a record number of influenza vaccinations administered in the USA.

The bottom line is the epidemiologists were correct and influenza, which we all deal with every year, proves it.
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Um, no.

The PCR tests "cured" the flu.

The same cloth masks that don't stop the Covid virus, don't stop the influenza one either.
 
I personally chose to get vaccinated. BUT.....I believe that the the threat to freedom is worse than the threat from COVID. I fully support and stand behind anyone who choses not to get vaccinated. Forcing someone to make what should be an individual choice, even with good intentions, is a slippery, slippery slope. Let's all support each other as we follow our individual 'pursuits of happiness.'-----SS
 
elkassassin said:
Did any other Family Members get it from You?
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6 other hunters got it at the same time, one was in hospital for 3 day, I spent 8 hr in the ER, other 4 guys had mild cases.
Brothers and Wives all had at the same time, Brothers 3 days and no problems Wives had alot tougher time week to 10 days for them. They traced it back to one guy who had it. He was a retired farmer who went to 3 different towns for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Turn that area into a hot spot for the virus. Lots of people got in a short time.
Glad no one died from that time.
 
eelgrass said:
I'd hate to be unvaccinated and end up in the hospital here. This from our news blog yesterday. We've had a surge of cases the last 2 weeks.
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One frustrated employee explained, “All the beds are taken. They’re talking about converting the PACU – post anesthesia care unit – into a secondary ICU because people are unvaccinated monsters!”

A nurse told us. “We are doing our best and our team is tired. They are just done.” The hospital is stretched thin to the point of having borrowed beds recently from Santa Rosa, and it recently had to make temporary modifications to rooms for COVID patients just to keep up.

Edit: Here's the link

kymkemp.com

St. Joe’s ICU Full, New COVID Rooms Crafted as Equipment and Staff Shortages Make Situation Desperate, Other Hospitals Facing Similar Situations

Staff at Eureka’s St. Joseph Hospital tell us the ICU is “incapcitated” with no additional beds available, and a lack of high acuity equipment to meet urgent needs, especially in the Emergency Department. In the Intensive Care Unit where COVID-19 cases are far outnumbering staff, they are...
kymkemp.com
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I'd hate to see what would happen if we had a real crisis like a big earthquake or something.
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My father in law just got out of ICU at Pres last week. He was in there because he had covid couldn't breath went on a ventilator. The reason people are in there so long isn't because they are unvaxxed and can't get over it! It is because the hospitals won't give you the care you need if you aren't vaxxed! MIL was told by one of the docs that her husband wouldn't be in the situation he is in if he got the shot and they told her he would have gotten a better lever of care from them if he was vaxxed! Couldn't believe they would actually say that! I think these people are dying on ventilators or staying in there for months is because the hospitals want the unvaxxed dead. Just my experience and opinion.
 
Gator said:
6 other hunters got it at the same time, one was in hospital for 3 day, I spent 8 hr in the ER, other 4 guys had mild cases.
Brothers and Wives all had at the same time, Brothers 3 days and no problems Wives had alot tougher time week to 10 days for them. They traced it back to one guy who had it. He was a retired farmer who went to 3 different towns for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Turn that area into a hot spot for the virus. Lots of people got in a short time.
Glad no one died from that time.
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People generally don't die from it, kinda the point most of us are making. Glad none of you were part of the .002%!
 
monsterMullet said:
My father in law just got out of ICU at Pres last week. He was in there because he had covid couldn't breath went on a ventilator. The reason people are in there so long isn't because they are unvaxxed and can't get over it! It is because the hospitals won't give you the care you need if you aren't vaxxed! MIL was told by one of the docs that her husband wouldn't be in the situation he is in if he got the shot and they told her he would have gotten a better lever of care from them if he was vaxxed! Couldn't believe they would actually say that! I think these people are dying on ventilators or staying in there for months is because the hospitals want the unvaxxed dead. Just my experience and opinion.
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What state?
 
hossblur said:
Um, no.

The PCR tests "cured" the flu.

The same cloth masks that don't stop the Covid virus, don't stop the influenza one either.
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Positive influenza test rates have been between 26.2-30.3% annually for the last three years. Last year, the positive test rate fell to .2% of over 800,000 samples collected by US Laboratories. If you think that is some testing anomaly and not a reduction in influenza rates during the pandemic then your mind is made up and you're looking for excuses to support a preconceived bias instead of examining the information and deducing the most logical conclusion. There is no basis in fact for alternative theories, just a desire to find an excuse that fits a narrative.

Also, you keep saying the same thing about masks as if you think they're meant to be a virus filter. They're not. The point behind a mask, even a cloth one, is the same reason that police use "spit masks" (with far larger mesh) on misbehaving criminals. They stop airborne droplets that contain viruses, not the actual virus itself. But the end result is still beneficial, just via a different means.
 
eelgrass said:
I don't think that's a foregone conclusion, as tempting and appealing as it might be. Mask wearing and social distancing didn't wipe out Covid-19 and they're both air born viruses floating around at the same time. Covid-19 might have eaten the flu virus.....I don't know.:)
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In no way do I think we're done with influenza, I was merely talking about the record year in terms of low influenza rates when people went to the extreme protective measures that were seen last year.

We don't have much information on what COVID would've been like without those measures, but we have a ton of information on influenza and the benefits last year are irrefutable.

Just to be clear, I don't think that's appropriate and am not advocating it. But that doesn't mean it didn't work.
 
OutdoorWriter said:
Man, I'd bet the farm there are at least 623,000 people that make up that .002% who would feel all warm & fuzzy with that factoid. :rolleyes:
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How many of that 623,000 talley were in the twilight-sunset years of their life?

Odd, don't you think, that the number hasn't exponentially increased the way the talking heads say it should based on the imposed "mandate" from the "CDC"...
 
roadrunner said:
How many of that 623,000 talley were in the twilight-sunset years of their life?

Odd, don't you think, that the number hasn't exponentially increased the way the talking heads say it should based on the imposed "mandate" from the "CDC"...
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I would say I have been in the "twilight years" for more than a decade now. I'm glad I'm still alive -- albeit barely. Though I wish it were more, I've had some good times in my waning days. ;)
 
I don’t really see any point of getting the vaccine in my situation, my whole close and extended family is very healthy and so am I. I have a higher chance of dying from the vaccine itself than I do from getting the virus. Plus I don’t have a ounce of trust in the government.
 
roadrunner said:
How many of that 623,000 talley were in the twilight-sunset years of their life?
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The rate of "excess deaths" in the USA calculated each year fluctuates by about 1-2% annually; obviously a very consistent number considering all the possible ways a person can die in a year.

In 2020, there were 522,368 "excess deaths" for an increase of 22.9%. IN ONE YEAR!

Clearly many of those dying from COVID are elderly, but even more clear is the fact that hundreds of thousands of Americans died last year that would've been alive today if it weren't for COVID.
 
You should die on your own terms, not because someone who believes the earth is flat gave you the ‘rona.

I like this idea of “my body my choice”. Where have I heard that one before?

But my favorites are the anti-goobermint dudes who won’t get it because the FDA hasn’t formally approved it. :ROFLMAO:
 
The truth is they have been counting flu cases as COVID cases. Also they have been counting random deaths like car accident deaths as COVID deaths, you ask why? Money, for every “COVID” death hospitals and doctors get a nice fat check that they otherwise would not get.
 
Lukegarrett2002 said:
I have a higher chance of dying from the vaccine itself than I do from getting the virus.
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Serious question... Is this a hyperbolic statement, or do you believe that to be literally accurate?

I'm just wondering if your hesitancy to get the vaccine is due to governmental distrust, belief in ineffectiveness, safety concerns, etc... Or if it's because you believe the vaccine is killing certain segments at a greater rate than COVID.

I have no interest in trying to convince you to get vaccinated, it's your call. I'm just interested in your line of thinking as it's different than mine.
 
Lukegarrett2002 said:
The truth is they have been counting flu cases as COVID cases. Also they have been counting random deaths like car accident deaths as COVID deaths, you ask why? Money, for every “COVID” death hospitals and doctors get a nice fat check that they otherwise would not get.
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Even if that were true, it wouldn't account for over a half million more deaths than any other year. There weren't that many more car accidents than the previous year
 
grizzly said:
In no way do I think we're done with influenza, I was merely talking about the record year in terms of low influenza rates when people went to the extreme protective measures that were seen last year.

We don't have much information on what COVID would've been like without those measures, but we have a ton of information on influenza and the benefits last year are irrefutable.

Just to be clear, I don't think that's appropriate and am not advocating it. But that doesn't mean it didn't work.
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Fair enough.
 
grizzly said:
Positive influenza test rates have been between 26.2-30.3% annually for the last three years. Last year, the positive test rate fell to .2% of over 800,000 samples collected by US Laboratories. If you think that is some testing anomaly and not a reduction in influenza rates during the pandemic then your mind is made up and you're looking for excuses to support a preconceived bias instead of examining the information and deducing the most logical conclusion. There is no basis in fact for alternative theories, just a desire to find an excuse that fits a narrative.

Also, you keep saying the same thing about masks as if you think they're meant to be a virus filter. They're not. The point behind a mask, even a cloth one, is the same reason that police use "spit masks" (with far larger mesh) on misbehaving criminals. They stop airborne droplets that contain viruses, not the actual virus itself. But the end result is still beneficial, just via a different means.
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New research shows cloth mask accumulate small amount of virus, hold it, then a cough or sneeze expels all the accumulated virus. Like a spray gun.

Cdc shows itself that cloth masks are about 3% effective.

N95, fitted correctly, changed often offer some help, but about the same as an open window and a HEPA filter on HVAC system.
But since NO ONE did/does that, the n95 isn't that effective, especially in kids as there really aren't kids n95 to start with. Dr who work in infectious units, or researchers in labs don't wear cloth, surgical, or n95. Mostly because they don't work(unless you work in a lab in Wuhan)

As for testing.

Get sick. Go get tested. Symptoms are the same as Covid and flu. So a Covid test is done. 2-3 days later(remember we didn't have rapid tests) and person is negative, in most cases their flu has subsided, no one pursed results or further testing.

Flu didn't go away. Office visits did. Flu testing did. Not to mention that schools being closed had a huge effect.

The same stats are reflected in cancer, heart disease, etc, etc. Folks stayed away from the Dr, or used telemed. Caner rates didn't go down, looking for it did.

There is also that thing called a profit motive. Covid pays better than flu. And before you roll your eyes, go look at the scam Cuomo had going in NY.

I only know what I learned in respirator certification. Plus 30yrs of wearing n95 masks to sand with, then blowing white boogers all night
 
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grizzly said:
Serious question... Is this a hyperbolic statement, or do you believe that to be literally accurate?

I'm just wondering if your hesitancy to get the vaccine is due to governmental distrust, belief in ineffectiveness, safety concerns, etc... Or if it's because you believe the vaccine is killing certain segments at a greater rate than COVID.

I have no interest in trying to convince you to get vaccinated, it's your call. I'm just interested in your line of thinking as it's different than mine.
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It’s kind of a you name it situation, I don’t trust the government in anything they tell me, it’s pretty well know that the vaccine is not that effective in keeping you safe from the virus and in some cases it just straight up gives you the virus (like why would they even need a booster?!?) I’ve already had covid and so has most of my family and it was more equivalent to cold symptoms in my situation.
 
Lukegarrett2002 said:
it’s pretty well know that the vaccine is not that effective in keeping you safe from the virus and in some cases it just straight up gives you the virus
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I respect your right to be vaccinated or not. I do, however, recommend you speak to your doctor about some of the information you're sharing as I believe it to be inaccurate.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, don't be... totally your call and I've never tried to convince somebody to be vaccinated. But don't let your reasoning be because you believe things like the shot will give you COVID. That's literally impossible.
 
Hot topic for sure. Non vacced here. I had it last november over Thanksgiving. Not 1 member in my family of 6 git it while I was home with them for 2 weeks.

We went to bear Lake 1st of Aug for a reunion. 75 of us. 1 came with sniffles. 10 days later, 15 people sick. We all lived under the same roof for 6 days in a giant home. 9 got tested. 6 had covid. Of the 6 that had covid (all mild), 5 were vaccinated. 1 tested 6 times in a week, but just had a cold. My mom is Vaccinated and a stage 4 cancer survivor. She has had some severe side effects the past few months with the vaccine. So do as you all wish, we have choices, dont force others your beliefs. just my 2 Cents.
 
Hardway said:
FYI…..Cigarettes are FDA approved too.
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That's a common myth right now. Tobacco products are regulated by the FDA, not approved by the FDA.

They're regulating aspects such as contamination, not approving it for safe consumption.

From FDA website... "There’s no such thing as a safe tobacco product, so FDA’s safe and effective standard for evaluating medical products is not appropriate for tobacco products. Instead, FDA regulates tobacco products based on a public health standard that considers the product’s risks to the population as a whole."
 
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Just got off the phone with our middle son. He is a senior executive for a large engineering firm. His immediate management office has 10 people in it, three vaccinated 7 not. This week all 7 got covid other 3 fine so far. Several are really ill.

Our daughter-law is a senior RN in a large hospital, all of their ICU beds are full and have been for a while. I guess the nursing staff feel so overwhelmed that Wednesday they told the hospital administration " reduce the number in ICU or we all are going to resign". They are now shipping some patients to facilities out of state.

My wife and I are both in the high risk group, got the needle in March no side effects. Our youngest son got covid back at the first of the year and he about passed...it was a scary experience for our family.
 
littlebull209338 said:
Just got off the phone with our middle son. He is a senior executive for a large engineering firm. His immediate management office has 10 people in it, three vaccinated 7 not. This week all 7 got covid other 3 fine so far. Several are really ill.

Our daughter-law is a senior RN in a large hospital, all of their ICU beds are full and have been for a while. I guess the nursing staff feel so overwhelmed that Wednesday they told the hospital administration " reduce the number in ICU or we all are going to resign". They are now shipping some patients to facilities out of state.

My wife and I are both in the high risk group, got the needle in March no side effects. Our youngest son got covid back at the first of the year and he about passed...it was a scary experience for our family.
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Too many stories like that. I'm so glad your son was able to pull through. That's every parents worst nightmare.
 
grizzly said:
Even if that were true, it wouldn't account for over a half million more deaths than any other year. There weren't that many more car accidents than the previous year
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Johns Hopkins: COVID Has Had No Effect On US Death Rate

Update 8/25/21: UK data shows vaxed dying at higher rate than unvaxed. Swedish data shows no excess deaths, mirroring this censored Hopkins study. “Therefore, according to Briand, not only h…
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The recent "twilight years" comment kinda poked me to post this. I'm not looking to debate the merits of the vaccine, though. Choose your poison as you will. Makes no difference to me.

I have NOT been vacinated, even though I am probably in the highest risk group that exists. And that's mostly the reason; I have not wanted to venture out anywhere to expose myself. Thus I haven't gone farther than my front patio in 1 1/2 yrs! Surely given my history, if I get C-19, I'm likely dead -- unless I'm already immune (see old reply below). But I can't find out unless I go somewhere to be tested. Catch-22!

In contrast, my wife is 78 & is also at a higher risk with Type II diabetes & high-blood pressure. Unlike me, she ventures out often to shop, etc.. Obviously if she get C-19, we're both in trouble. So she went for the Moderna shots two months ago with no ill effects other than a sore arm. So far, we're crossing our fingers.

BUT...as I have mentioned here a couple times recently, I really need to go to the hospital pretty soon. And I doubt I can outwait the virus. That means I'm going have to bite the bullet & take my chances sooner than later -- perhaps next week. Then again procrastinating ain't so bad. It just means I have nothing to do today but plenty to do in the future. :rolleyes:

Some of you no doubt already saw this when I first posted it. I don't wish it on anyone, whether they're in their twilight years or otherwise. Don't be a victim of an "I'm bullet proof" attitude; I always thought that, too, until I discovered there ain't no such thing.

Been there, done that.

I have severe COPD & already have used O2 24/7 for more than 5 years. In March, 2020, I went to the ER on a Thurs. because of breathing difficulty. They kept me overnight and released me. On Mon., my wife had to call 911; the EMTs gave me a $200 trip in an ambulance. Subsequently, I spent 14 days in the hospital & another 17 in a rehab facility.

That hospital stay was the worst experience of my life. I spit up a lot of blood. At two different times, they made me verify my 'Do Not Resusitate' order. Because I never got out of bed & wasn't eating well, I lost the ability to stand up or walk. In fact, I had a hard time even lifting my legs in bed. It was kind of awkward having nurses lifting me on to a potty chair & wiping my butt.

Supposedly, it was severe pneumonia. Today, however, I'm pretty sure what I had was Covid-19. A reason I think that is because the hospital never billed me for my co-pay, which was about $1K. My guess is they billed the Feds under the Covid-19 agreement for the balance my insurance didn't pay.

In rehab, it took me many days before I could walk again a bit with a walker, and even after I got home I had to use a walker and/or wheelchair for two weeks. Also, my wife had to help me get up off the john for at least a week.

And yes, it definitely had a lasting effect on both my body strenght & breathing ability. Now I'm hoping to make my 80th in Nov. but I'll need to make another hospital visit within the next couple weeks for a different problem. I'm not looking forward to it.
 
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JPickett said:
libertariannews.org

Johns Hopkins: COVID Has Had No Effect On US Death Rate

Update 8/25/21: UK data shows vaxed dying at higher rate than unvaxed. Swedish data shows no excess deaths, mirroring this censored Hopkins study. “Therefore, according to Briand, not only h…
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You realize that's not an actual news source, right? It's a libertarian website. Also, the UK "data" is from Chriswalderbuger.substack.com. The Swedish "data" is from BadCattitude.com. The Johns Hopkins "data" is a student editorial column by somebody named Yanni Gu and is not a published study.

I could post actual links from everybody from USA Today, to Reuters, AP, CDC, and Journal of American Medicine showing increased death numbers with actual statistics and studies, but if you really want to read them, they're easy to find. It's clear you'd rather read some random dudes blog looking for validation than real peer-reviewed data so I won't waste my time.
 
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Just got off the phone with our middle son. He is a senior executive for a large engineering firm. His immediate management office has 10 people in it, three vaccinated 7 not. This week all 7 got covid other 3 fine so far. Several are really ill.

Our daughter-law is a senior RN in a large hospital, all of their ICU beds are full and have been for a while. I guess the nursing staff feel so overwhelmed that Wednesday they told the hospital administration " reduce the number in ICU or we all are going to resign". They are now shipping some patients to facilities out of state.

My wife and I are both in the high risk group, got the needle in March no side effects. Our youngest son got covid back at the first of the year and he about passed...it was a scary experience for our family.
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I'm curious as to what "severely I'll" means now days.

Short of hospitalization, it seems your I'll.

Drama queen is a newer phenomenon
 
grizzly said:
You realize that's not an actual news source, right? It's a libertarian website. Also, the UK "data" is from Chriswalderbuger.substack.com. The Swedish "data" is from BadCattitude.com. The Johns Hopkins "data" is a student editorial column by somebody named Yanni Gu and is not a published study.

I could post actual links from everybody from USA Today, to Reuters, AP, CDC, and Journal of American Medicine showing increased death numbers with actual statistics and studies, but if you really want to read them, they're easy to find. It's clear you'd rather read some random dudes blog looking for validation than real peer-reviewed data so I won't waste my time.
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Yeah those right wing conspiracy pushers at john Hopkins putting those numbers out
 
JPickett said:
Yeah those right wing conspiracy pushers at john Hopkins putting those numbers out
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You totally missed the 3% measles reference above and now you've missed that the information you're referring to isn't from Johns Hopkins, it's from "Johns Hopkins News-Letter" which is their student-run newspaper. A student named Yanni Gu wrote that in November 2020 and it is in no way a peer-reviewed study released by Johns Hopkins.
 
grizzly said:
You realize that's not an actual news source, right? It's a libertarian website. Also, the UK "data" is from Chriswalderbuger.substack.com. The Swedish "data" is from BadCattitude.com. The Johns Hopkins "data" is a student editorial column by somebody named Yanni Gu and is not a published study.

I could post actual links from everybody from USA Today, to Reuters, AP, CDC, and Journal of American Medicine showing increased death numbers with actual statistics and studies, but if you really want to read them, they're easy to find. It's clear you'd rather read some random dudes blog looking for validation than real peer-reviewed data so I won't waste my time.
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you think USA Today is reputable!! That actually explains a lot
 
OutdoorWriter said:
The author of the first link you posted has NO connection John Hopkins & is merely using the stuff written in the John Hopkins news letter written by YANNI GU.

libertariannews.org

Michael Suede

libertariannews.org
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I’m aware.You believe the death rates are false? Pretty easy numbers to find wether you like the particular article I posted or not. Like I said, numbers are inconvenient and also non partisan
 
hossblur said:
As for testing.

Get sick. Go get tested. Symptoms are the same as Covid and flu. So a Covid test is done. 2-3 days later(remember we didn't have rapid tests) and person is negative, in most cases their flu has subsided, no one pursed results or further testing.

Flu didn't go away. Office visits did. Flu testing did. Not to mention that schools being closed had a huge effect.

The same stats are reflected in cancer, heart disease, etc, etc. Folks stayed away from the Dr, or used telemed. Caner rates didn't go down, looking for it did.

There is also that thing called a profit motive. Covid pays better than flu. And before you roll your eyes, go look at the scam Cuomo had going in NY.
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My wife works in the laboratory of our local hospital. She is one of 4 that do all the testing. She is the one in charge of reporting results that go to the state. Since July 2020, they have been running the majority of their covid tests on what is called a BioFire FilmArray. This is a state of the art PCR test analyzer. It is the most accurate test in her hospital. The only way the covid tests come is on a panel that tests for 21 different respiratory diseases at once including all the most common strains of influenza, RSV, and all the other most common respiratory viruses. They have not had a single positive influenza on this or any other flu testing method they have done for this entire past year. They have always had numerous positives every winter including dozens a month on the slowest flu years during winter.

She also told me that they did not have a single RSV positive last winter which is normally as prevalent as the flu. It is usually just a common cold for adults but can be deadly in small children and infants. They finally have had a small handful of RSVs in June and July after masking and distancing stopped. This same trend has happened all over the country.

Also in the early days when tests were in short supply, the protocol given them from the state was to run a rapid flu test first to rule it out before wasting a covid test. There have been no shortage of timely flu tests run at our hospital and still 0 positives.

It sure would seem obvious that distancing and masking caused this. Most other theories take a lot of mental gymnastics to believe.
 
JPickett said:
I’m aware.You believe the death rates are false? Pretty easy numbers to find wether you like the particular article I posted or not. Like I said, numbers are inconvenient and also non partisan
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What I believe is this: thousands of people that have died throughout the world would be alive today were it not for contracting C-19. That includes at least one person in my extended family & one neighbor who lived two doors down the street. I was fortunate to not have joined them -- at least for the time being. And if I could get the vax without undue exposure, I'd do so in a heartbeat.
 
JPickett said:
It’s also pretty telling that the issue raised is with the author and not one mention of the content/ statistics. Typical tactic, I’ll be expected to be called racist here any minute
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No, the issue is not about YOU.

It is the same ol' there are lies & then there are statistics. Too often they are one in the same, especially when the person doing the intrepreting has no credentials or peer review of the conclusions. Plus it's all almost a year old.

John Hopkins News Letter:

Staff Writers: Muhammad Abidi, Ryan Aghamohammadi, William Blair, Allison Chen, Will Edmonds, Yanni Gu, Rachel Huang, Medha Kallem, Keidai Lee, Jake Lefkovitz, Vivian Li, Bessie Liu, Derek Moritz, Teresa Ng, Peter Novello, Shivni Patel, Jonathan Patterson, Addy Perlman, Isha Rai, Meghana Ravi, Laís Santoro, Tim Shade, Ananta Srivastava, Isabel Thomas, Yoosoo Yeo, Eliza Zimmerman
 
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OutdoorWriter said:
No, the issue is not about YOU.

It is the same ol' there are lies & then there are statistics. Too often they are one in the same, especially when the person doing the intrepreting has no credentials or peer review of the conclusions.

John Hopkins News Letter:

Staff Writers: Muhammad Abidi, Ryan Aghamohammadi, William Blair, Allison Chen, Will Edmonds, Yanni Gu, Rachel Huang, Medha Kallem, Keidai Lee, Jake Lefkovitz, Vivian Li, Bessie Liu, Derek Moritz, Teresa Ng, Peter Novello, Shivni Patel, Jonathan Patterson, Addy Perlman, Isha Rai, Meghana Ravi, Laís Santoro, Tim Shade, Ananta Srivastava, Isabel Thomas, Yoosoo Yeo, Eliza Zimmerman
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Ok. How about the cdc. You seem to trust them. The claim on here was hundreds of thousands MORE deaths. Simply not the case. So either the top five historical killers in this nation got cured with out so much as a headline or the reporting a bit fishy. You tell me

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OutdoorWriter said:
What I believe is this: thousands of people that have died throughout the world would be alive today were it not for contracting C-19. That includes at least one person in my extended family & one neighbor who lived two doors down the street. I was fortunate to not have joined them -- at least for the time being. And if I could get the vax without undue exposure, I'd do so in a heartbeat.
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That may be true but those same folks or other unhealthy folks will die that same year according to the death rate stats. No matter how you dice it, the same number of deaths will be there.
 
tailchasers said:
Why get vaccinated for something I've already had? Odd you don't hear about antibodies even though they are very real.
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Why doesn't the gov even acknowledge that a person that had covid would have immunity???
Seems like Texas and Florida are going in the right direction encouraging early treatment.
 
Bluehair said:
You should die on your own terms, not because someone who believes the earth is flat gave you the ‘rona.
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The past 5 years have taught me one thing, it doesn't matter what you want. What's going to happen is going to happen and thinking you have control over it is an illusion.

As far as anti gov't goes, it's more about being anti mandate...

monsterMullet said:
New Mexico, ABQ
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Yeah, only in NM.
 
tailchasers said:
Why get vaccinated for something I've already had? Odd you don't hear about antibodies even though they are very real.
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The "solution" is to follow orders and get vaccinated. Not a word about antibodies, treatments, or things you can do to enhance your immune system like losing weight or quit smoking, etc. It's all about the vaccine.

Reason #17 to question the vaccine.
 
Zwickey said:
My wife works in the laboratory of our local hospital. She is one of 4 that do all the testing. She is the one in charge of reporting results that go to the state. Since July 2020, they have been running the majority of their covid tests on what is called a BioFire FilmArray. This is a state of the art PCR test analyzer. It is the most accurate test in her hospital. The only way the covid tests come is on a panel that tests for 21 different respiratory diseases at once including all the most common strains of influenza, RSV, and all the other most common respiratory viruses. They have not had a single positive influenza on this or any other flu testing method they have done for this entire past year. They have always had numerous positives every winter including dozens a month on the slowest flu years during winter.

She also told me that they did not have a single RSV positive last winter which is normally as prevalent as the flu. It is usually just a common cold for adults but can be deadly in small children and infants. They finally have had a small handful of RSVs in June and July after masking and distancing stopped. This same trend has happened all over the country.

Also in the early days when tests were in short supply, the protocol given them from the state was to run a rapid flu test first to rule it out before wasting a covid test. There have been no shortage of timely flu tests run at our hospital and still 0 positives.

It sure would seem obvious that distancing and masking caused this. Most other theories take a lot of mental gymnastics to believe.
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Excellent post with real world input. Thank you.
 
roadrunner said:
The past 5 years have taught me one thing, it doesn't matter what you want. What's going to happen is going to happen and thinking you have control over it is an illusion.

As far as anti gov't goes, it's more about being anti mandate...



Yeah, only in NM.
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That is ludicrous. The last 50 years has taught me you are absolutely in control of your own destiny. With discipline and hard work you can lap most of the sheep.

Recalibrate dude.
 
JPickett said:
Ok. How about the cdc. You seem to trust them. The claim on here was hundreds of thousands MORE deaths. Simply not the case. So either the top five historical killers in this nation got cured with out so much as a headline or the reporting a bit fishy. You tell me

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Your chart is inaccurate. The current CDC count for deaths in 2020 (not yet finalized) is 3,358,814. The chart you're referencing was shared on Facebook months ago but is false.

www.cdc.gov

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

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Bluehair said:
That is ludicrous. The last 50 years has taught me you are absolutely in control of your own destiny. With discipline and hard work you can lap most of the sheep.

Recalibrate dude.
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Lucky you. You've never been in a good 'ol boy environment sounds like. In order to be in "control" of your destiny, you have to lose out on something else you thought you were in control of.

Recalibrating is from the loss of control trying to regain what you thought was yours, dude.

Discipline and hard work my azz...
 
grizzly said:
Even if that were true, it wouldn't account for over a half million more deaths than any other year. There weren't that many more car accidents than the previous year
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grizzly said:
Your chart is inaccurate. The current CDC count for deaths in 2020 (not yet finalized) is 3,358,814. The chart you're referencing was shared on Facebook months ago but is false.

www.cdc.gov

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

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Your claim of half a million more deaths is also inaccurate and just fear mongering.

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JPickett said:
Your claim of half a million more deaths is also inaccurate and just fear mongering.

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Those are the same 2019 numbers again. That 2.855MM is the same amount as the 2019 number on the slide you posted. The slide you posted had false numbers for 2020 (which is actually 3.358MM). I posted the actual 2020 numbers later and then you countered it with the same 2019 numbers again

But to the point you were attempting to make... You're confusing "cause of death" with comorbidities and "excess deaths."

Take it up with the Journal of American Medical Association

jamanetwork.com

Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes in the US, March 2020 to January 2021

This study updates an analysis of US mortality in 2020, including deaths due to COVID-19 as well as all other causes.
jamanetwork.com jamanetwork.com

or the CDC

www.cdc.gov

Notes from the Field: Update on Excess Deaths Associated...

This report provides an update on excess deaths in the United...
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

as they both list "excess deaths" as greater than 500,000.
 
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JPickett said:
I know there 2019 number and there not a half million less. Your a party member so I know you have to repeat the lines. Stalin refers to your kind as useful idiots. And enough of you are very useful to the cause
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And here come the personal attacks.

You've laid down your king, sir.

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PS. 3,358,814 - 2,854,838 = 503,976. Also, it's "they're" and "you're" and that line is attributed to Lenin, not Stalin.
 
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JPickett said:
I know there 2019 number and there not a half million less. Your a party member so I know you have to repeat the lines. Stalin refers to your kind as useful idiots. And enough of you are very useful to the cause
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Dude give it up.
 

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