Correct that's why I don't know why everyone calls a 20" wide buck with two kickers a 30"er lolInside of the mainbeam
I agree with you....and that is the excuse I use for NEVER shooting a 30 incher before.Correct that's why I don't know why everyone calls a 20" wide buck with two kickers a 30"er lol
Those would be some nice kickers!Correct that's why I don't know why everyone calls a 20" wide buck with two kickers a 30"er lol
20" inside probably a 25 inch outside buck with 2.5" kickers. Pretty common for what i see called a 30 incher I'd sayThose would be some nice kickers!
lol....no kidding......As an OM.....I still know and appreciate a 30"er as 30 " overall....ignore the scoring rulesThat's a lot to think about. I guess the next time someone tells me they saw a 30" buck, they need to explain in detail. Are you talking inside spread, main frame or outside including cheaters.
Eye guards count towards score, so why do we see a classic, typical 4x4 with eye guards being called a 4 point all the time?Correct that's why I don't know why everyone calls a 20" wide buck with two kickers a 30"er lol
So I'm supposed to say this buck is 16¹/² wide????Correct that's why I don't know why everyone calls a 20" wide buck with two kickers a 30"er lol
I usually refer to outside frame width as well when describing a deer but I say that when describing it too. "Hes probably about 27 outside with a nice cheater". I don't call a a 27" wide buck with a kicker 30" inches wide. Idk personel preference I guess. If I see a 20 Inch buck with a couple kickers that's what I call it not try to guess how wide It is with the kickers because that makes no difference in score and is Just confusing to whoever you're explaining a buck to imoSo I'm supposed to say this buck is 16¹/² wide????
View attachment 109217View attachment 109218
He's only got a 16.5 inch inside spread but I would not say he is 16" wide.
Whenever asked I say 25" frame and 27 to the cheater.
Describing the inside spread would not paint a very good picture of how big a deer really is. If you wanted to reference the score you could say what the spread credit is if it matters to the conversation.
This is one of those areas where I feel the "book" messed up. I personally don't see any reason to limit a spread credit to the main beams, and personally feel the should have used overall width of the main frame on a typical, and full outside width on a non-typical as the the overall spread really is a desirable trait that shows true size of a buck or bull.
By the way, this bucks inside spread almost saved his life. At first glance I thought I had found a giant, then after looking him over with the binos for a few seconds something seemed off, so I grabbed the spotter, wasn't till I seen the 4" cheater and some coaxing from my dad that I decided to shoot him. He was standing on the edge of some thick timber and could have disappeared very quickly at any time. He grew significantly when we walked up to him. Even with the 16" spread credit he broke 192 gross officially measured by Rusty Hall.
I would NOT have yelled that out, between songs at the Deer Hunter’s Ball, in the Fish Lake Lodge, in 1969…….. just saying, watch yer tongue Sad Man……?……………… measurements are only there for identification of the rack
Width is cool but overrated.Width is over rated in my mind.