Why Obama?

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Can someone please tell me why? Because I don't get it.
Why is everyone flocking to this guy.
 
Good question, I can't figure it out either. He's a flag hating, baby killing, socialist that wants your guns. And these guys blindly follow him. Kinda reminds one of 1930's Germany and the rise of Hitler.
 
Flag hating baby killing socialist? Hitler was big on propaganda and it worked on you so no wonder he comes to mind. if you get past the negative propaganda and the pure lies about Obama he's just a very smart half black liberal politian. not a huge strech from any other liberal politian if you can just find a way to leave things like his father's color and religion out of it.

Obama is going to win because the conservatives have done so poorly and their 2008 candidates suck. it isn't a matter of Obama being great because he's not, it's a matter of Americans wanting no more of the last 8 years pure and simple. really no mystery, do a poor job and you're fired.
 
I like to use my football analogy:

The US is like a football team that has great players and potential, but has not had a winning season in the past 8 yrs.
The team is not responding (to the same deadbeat coach they have had for 8 yrs) and they want to hire a bright young inspiring/motivational coach in the hopes of turning things around and getting the team back to the Glory days...

The team knows the this young coach does not have as much experience as the other coaching candidate, but they know the young coach (if selected) will surround himself with an experienced coaching staff of proven winners.
 
And you hire this coach based on what? That he is on the other team? Or do you research his background, see what he stands for,that his values correspond with yours. That he will lead the team in the same direction that you would. Or do you say "I don't care I just want someone else" without checking into their credentials. And I don't get the surrounding themselves with proven winners thing. Reverend Wright, William Ayers,Joe Biden, and the list goes on and on. Not winners in my book, but I guess I'm looking at the wrong book.
 
Why are we constantly stuck with a 2 party race? and it is always the same 2 parties....Times have changed the parties need to change as well.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-08 AT 12:35PM (MST)[p]Yep , and the last 8 years have been so good right???Maybe if your in oil eh???
McCain/Palin would do better how???? That old sum bich just keeps repeating himself, pork barrel this and pork barrel that and don't get me started on his little JOE THE PLUMMER CRAP and now has turned on Bush and as Palin , her genious-ness , well helll , she is a good shopper I guess...
Baby killing??? , your freakin nutts, he's not "FOR Obortion" who is???? He stands for womens rights and as for gay marriage , well now McCain has accepted it as ok, trying a little too late to get that vote....Obama doesn't want your guns or to do away with hunting , the scare tactics don't work anymore...Get educated before overloading your mouth and sounding onesided & closed minded...a bit far right , too damned far you nut bag...
 
Obama doesnt want your guns, Yeah, RIGHT. When are you idiots going to quit ignoring his voting record, that is FACT. What Democrat doesnt want gun control? Name one piece of anti gun legislation, Federal or State that a democrat did not start, Or name one that a Republican did. You get Schumer, Pelosi, Etc. with Obama in control, What do you think they are going to do, sit back and stop trying to cram gun control down our throats like they have been trying for decades? This is the chance they have been dreaming for. What about Clinton Gun ban that expired only because Bush was there instead of Gore? Come and live in Cal. and see any little far-fetched idea to raise ammo prices, eliminate sales, manufacture of firearms, all with one goal. I will be glad when the election is over so you few imposters can go back to your fag loving sites, Is it a coincidence you all have huntin in your name, huntinaddict, huntinmut, huntindude?, or did your boss come up with them for you?
 
Rum,

For your information, I am a proud resident of the "Land of Enchantment" (born/raised in Gallup). I live in the "BIG
City", but I own a small ranch in the Northern part of the state where I hunt deer & elk.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-08 AT 03:34PM (MST)[p]>Yikes! You boys sure have a
>lot of hate for the
>man. It sounds personal.
> Do you have shaved
>heads??


I don't have any hate or any fear of this man but I still don't care for him.
And hair is a precious thing at my age so I wouldn't shave it for anything, well maybe 1 or 2 things that will remain undisclosed.
As a matter of fact the following photo of Obama is my personal favorite, sure to instill fear in our enimies.

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Yeah RUM just like I expected ,way to respond out of emotion and not knowledge. You see I do live here in NM ,our Governor is Democrat though I AM not. How ever Governor Richardson(D) is an out doorsmen /hunter and we got to speak to him personally. These are some of the questions we asked and he said that Senator Obama was not out to do away with hunting/shooting/gun purchasing for those who are legal and able. Obama is against the concealed carry law, which I don't really care about, my father does and has applied for such a permit. But he is not out to do away with hunting or firearms. Now what ever happens in California as far as higher ammo prices , gun prices etc, oh fuggin well, don't like it , pick up your chit and have your mail delivered else where .fagity little web sites , your such a tuff sum bich behind that key board , why don't you show us some more of your uneducated come backs tough guy, come on with it , dip chit...lets see how you can over load your pie hole now ...
 
Ya it's personal! I would like to keep my guns, hunt and in the next few years when we need to bomb Iran I don't want some Iran, middle east lover who won't do the job. If some of you people can't see it then God help you.
 
And you believe the governor of New Mexico knows Obama's intentions, why? Have they ever even met? Does Senator Obama meet with your governor often? Is he going to be invited to be a member of his cabinet? You guys kill me, keep coming up with excuses why you should vote for the man. His record is clear, he is for gun control plain and simple. And will surround himself with liberal gun haters in his cabinet period, get that through your thick skulls.
 
How do you consider going by his voting record emotions?? One simple question, how do you dispute his voting history? And where did New Mexico come up? Richardsen is a hunter like John Kerry is and like he will tell that BO is for gun control. You can live wherever you want but I guess you dont understand they pick away at any state they can and eventually it will get to the entire U.S. Talk about hiding behind a keyboard, youre the one with like 3000 posts
 
If you dont vote against partial birth abortion, you voted for it! If you have a voting record to control or ban firearms, you're voting for control or ban of firearms. If you can't remember that Bill Ayers edited your novel and shared office space with you ... then you probably don't know that he's a murderer and domestic terrorist. Not just some guy that lived in his neighborhood. REv. Wright - I would have believed Obama saying he slept every Sunday in church for twenty years rather than that lie he told.
Obama has no integrity, he stutters because he cant remember exactly how he told that particular lie on that subject. And, he voted 90% of the time with Pelosi and Reed. He flat stated that he wants to enact a socialist agenda on the American public. And, I think he's a candy-ass.

THIS is mbogomojo, and I approve this enlightening message!

"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters"
 
In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Obama has finally committed his "Joe the Hunter" moment.

From the story:

When asked about whether a general ban on carrying loaded guns in national parks should be eliminated, the answers were sharply different and somewhat predictable.

McCain, who is against gun control, stated: "I believe the National Park Service and the Fish and Wildlife Service should remove their prohibitions against law-abiding citizens transporting and carrying firearms to lands managed by those agencies."

Obama, who is against assault weapons and a gun show loophole that allows trading of weapons between private individuals, stated: "I believe in Second Amendment rights and the rights of hunters and sportsmen to bear arms and use them in a responsible way. But I am concerned about allowing loaded firearms into family-oriented spaces."

While Barack Obama claims to be a constitutional scholar, he appears to have missed the words "shall not be infringed" and instead believes that the Second Amendment contains the word "but".

"I believe in Second Amendment rights and the rights of hunters and sportsmen to bear arms and use them in a responsible way. BUT I am concerned about allowing loaded firearms into family-oriented spaces."

America's gun owners enjoy the right have loaded firearms in family-oriented spaces all the time. In fact, it is loyalty to family that inspires many to keep a loaded firearm ready at hand for home defense. It is loyalty to family that motivates a mother to carry a concealed firearm for the protection of her children while, for example, hiking on a secluded park trail. It is loyalty to family that motivates a father to invite his young son or daughter into the field on opening day, or to the range for an afternoon of plinking. "Joe the Hunter" understands this implicitly. Barack just thinks they're all bitter clingers.

When it comes to Obama and the Second Amendment, you'll never hear him utter his supposed support without the follow-up:

"But..." And thanks to his "Joe the Hunter" moment, we have a late-October admission of the excuse Obama will use as he signs the first gun control law of his administration.

"I am concerned about allowing loaded firearms into family-oriented spaces." "Joe the Hunter" should be deeply concerned about Obama's concern.

A family-oriented space could be anywhere, even your own home.
 
mbogo and 3blade, it doesn't matter how many times we point out the truth these idiots won't beleive you. They would rather believe the Democratic propaganda machine. They have blinders on and all they can see is Obama,Obama,Obama. He is the new Messiah. He is the light at the end of the tunnel. But they don't realize that, that light can also burn you, yet they blindly walk toward it, stepping over truth after truth that says they will get burned. We are trying to warn them but they ignore everything we show them about his character, his true intentions, his motive. He will lead us down a path that we as gun loving, hunt loving, patriots don't want to go. But you might as well talk to the wall because they have made up their minds and no matter how much we try, they will not listen. God help us.
 
You believe Bill Richardson is an outdoorsman/sportsman?? He's whatever he thinks will get him votes. He's a back stabbing weasel!

and yes i'm from NM and i've met him.
 
>I'm not the one propaganda has
>worked on dude, go look
>in the mirror.


Thats the funniest post I have ever read. You compare Obama to Hitler, and then have the sack to say you are not the one the propaganda has worked on. LMFAO!

Its good I never have visited this forum until today because I don't know if my gut could handle laughing my arse off at such uninformed and biggoted comments.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-08 AT 11:18AM (MST)[p]<"Its good I never have visited this forum until today"



Why do you have 356 posts then?
 
?But you might as well talk to the wall because they have made up their minds and no matter how much we try, they will not listen?. ?God help us.?

No worries APEX. We all know that here in Utah god only helps Republicans.

RUS
 
3blade, apexdude, RUM, et-al.

Lets see how sure you are that Obama will be taking your guns away when, or if, he's elected.

I'll make $100 wagers with all fear mongers that think Obama will take your firearms.

For every firearm you lose to Obama while he's in office, I'll pay you $100...for every one that Obama doesnt take after he's left office...you owe me a $100.

I'm secure enough in the U.S. Constitution, Obamas stated position, and the Second Amendment to know that NOT ONE of the fear-mongers will back up their blowholes with a simple wager.

The republican party needs a new schtick for winning elections. Peddling the fear of losing the SECOND...I'll state again for emphasis...SECOND AMENDMENT is way over-rated...and painfully tired.
 
>Can someone please tell me why?
>Because I don't get it.
>
>Why is everyone flocking to this
>guy.


Because he is for and against the surge, for and against higher taxes, for and against gun rights, for and against the constitution and for and against just about everything else.
 
BuzzH;

You are either the most stupid idiot I have encountered, or a slick con man like Obama on posing a all win bet for yourself.
Obama does not have to take away any one's guns and will be able to say so down the line. All he has to do is appoint a majority, which may be one, of a liberal thinking judge to the supreme court to go with the 4 already on there.
They will take away your guns by over throwing the recent 5-4 court decision involving Washington D.C. Once it is ruled that the 2nd. ammendment does not apply to us gun owning CIVILIANS, the liberal cities and state, Fed. gov. will enact new laws to limit buying guns, ammo with the final goal of confiscation down the line as it happen to the English and Aussies. There were many english and aussies who were stupid enought to say the same thing that you just said and look at where they are now.
Any person who made that statement like Obama did to the anti gun crowd meeting in San Francisco, is a person who will take your guns one way or another. I am willing to bet he will use the supreme court as one way and a liberal congress will play a big part on other ways and he will go on saying he is a friend to the gun owners. If you believe him, you left your common sense and intelligence back at the door you entered.
If you want to bury your head in the sand, go ahead and vote for Obama, but do not make a A$$ of yourself with such stupid bets. There is no foolish takers here, just you.

I want you and everyone else to remember this. The only thing that seperates us from the English and Aussies is the 2nd. ammendment that states "for a well regulated militia, the right of the people to bear arms will not be infringed"

We came very close to losing that because 4 supreme court judges believe that does not pertain to CIVILIANS, only to the militia or National Guard as it is called today. One of those judges, maybe two, who believed that it did pertain to the civilian population, will probably retire or go out on illness this nwxt four years. Now you tell me, who do you want appointing those two judges. If Obama does, they will be liberals who believe in gun control and with a liberal majority democrat congress, they will be shooed in faster then you can blink a eye. Guess what, Obama will still be able to say that he did not take our guns away, those guys in the black robes did!!!

RELH
 
RELH +1

Buzzhead

Ask the Aussies if they lost their guns instantly. No it starts with the little things, like outlawing certain types of ammunition or certain types of handguns or certain types of semiauto rifles and shotguns. But the ultimate goal is total gun confiscation. It won't happen in 4 years, it might not happen in my lifetime, but I'm thinking about my kids and grandkids. But watch out for the new laws aimed at the making it tougher and tougher to own guns. And they will lead you down the rosy path until they have enough support in government to take all your guns. And then it will be too late to stop them.

Bury your head in the sand, and don't try to stop them and see what happens.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-08 AT 11:06AM (MST)[p]BuzzH +1, these are my feelings as well.


I am a registered Republican and I just cannot get the fear mongers here in New Mexico to understand that in order for the government to take away your guns, there would need to be an amendment to the US Constitution, the amendment would have to pass both houses of the legislature by a two-thirds majority in each. Then would have to be ratified(approved)by three-fourths of states. They don't get that...3/4 of the 50 states. That is 37 states. Honestly do you think 37 states are going to approve of a consititution amendment to do away with the 2nd amendement? And another thing, what we need to really know is that at NO POINT does the President have a role in the formal amendment process. He cannot veto an amendment proposal, nor a ratification. If you don't beleive me read Article 5. You can also look at the Supreme Court case Hollingsworth v Virginia (3 USC 378 [1798])which ratified the decision. You know you all talk about how much you love the Constitution and how we need to protect the rights under it....well read the thing and educate yourselves further than the Bill of Rights. Many of you are a disgrace to the educated republicans!
Larry Garcia, New Mexico
 
NMNUMBNUTTS

If the Judicial system of the government, ie, Supreme court rules that the 2nd Ammendment pertains to a collective right and not an individual right you are screwed. They can rule on the intent of the ammendment as they interpret it and if they rule the ammendment is for states to form militias and not for the individual right of people to bear arms then the second ammendment goes out the door and will not protect your individual right to own guns. They don't have to ammend the constitution idiot they just have to interpret it to their liking. And you call yourself educated! Pull your head out of your a$$.
 
Apex, you are very wrong yet again. Your stupidity is now evident, it's useless to debate/discuss it with you. You don't understand how the Constitution is protected or your just flat out too one sided and blind and instead of learning about it because it's obvious to yourself , you know everything. Listen Jack Asss, Obama is going to win, and the 2ND Ammendment will be left alone. You are still going to be able to hunt with a firearm or in your case drive around in your 4x4 looking for something to shoot. Your a jerk, and a stupid one at that. Many of you come in here and blab your thoughts and when one doesn't agree , its name calling you resort to. It's ok , we're not friends and it's obvious we have very different thoughts about this election and who is right and who is smart as a rock , that in this case is you Apex. With that said, I won't argue this any more with you, you can be right , your the big bad know it all. But the one thing your wrong about is, McCain, he will not win this election and Obama will not take your guns....Have a good one Einstein...
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-08 AT 06:59PM (MST)[p]NMHUNTNUTTG

I may be smart as a rock but your dumb as a stump. Your the one that said we are a disgrace to educated Republicans. I just pointed out the stupidity of your argument. You tried to give us a lesson on ammending the Constitution without realizing that its the job of the Supreme Court to rule on the intent of the ammendments we already have. We just got a ruling by the Supreme Court that the Second Ammendment is an individual right and not a collective right this past July. It was by a 5/4 vote. It could have easily gone the other way had there been one more liberal justice on the court. Since your a constituional scholar, who appoints the new Justices when one dies or retires? The President, and do you think Obama is going to put a conservative judge on the Supreme Court? I don't think so, and yes they can go back and change a ruling. So have at it there wise one and tell us some more about how Obama won't make us lose our guns.

And by the way, are you actually old enough to vote?
 
Buzz and NMHUNTNUTT;

You two need to march down to a law professor that has expertise in constitutional law and run your sernario by him. You just may be shocked on what he tells you if that last Supreme court decision had gone the other way.
You may not be aware that alot of liberals and anti gun organizations did not want the Washington D.C. case to go to the supreme court because they were aware of the makeup of the court and feared a defeat on the case as it happen. They were willing to wait until a more favorable liberal court was in session to bring cases before them in hopes of having anti gun decisions handed down due to the difference of thinking concerning "Individual" rights Vs. collective rights of a militial. Research it, it is out there for you to see about these anti gun groups and politicians being
It would open the flood gates for local, state, federal agencies to place bans on firearms, ammo, sales of both, and even possesion of certain firearms within the limits of the city or county up to a ban for civilian individuals.
For all your expertise, you are dead wrong on your assumptions that you will always be protected by the 2nd. ammendment. You do not have to belive me or Apex. just get your butt down to a good law professor and have him educate you about the role that the supreme court plays on the interpertation of our constitution and how they can sway the ammendments one way or the other.
I am beginning to believe that due to your hardheaded stance you really do not care that much about your rights to firearms as much as electing Obama. I do believe you both are outright dupes on constitutional law and very ignorant on the role that the supreme court can play with our laws including the constitution.
RELH
 
I think everyone knows the role the supreme court plays, the same tune gets played over and over for as long as I can remember, I don't think the government could take our guns away if they tried, actually they can't do much of anything, they can't even get the guns and drugs out of MacArthur park, maybe your paranoia comes from living in Ca. and my nievete is from living in Wy. but while I'm concerned about gun ownership rights its not what I'm worried about the most
 
Everyone? You might want to educate old NMHUNTNUTT he's trying to educate us on how to ammend the constitution.

Here's some food for thought.These quotes are from the two books Obama wrote.

From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams of My Father:'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father:'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction
 
RELH and the other fear mongers,

How about we deal with FACTS and not "what ifs"...sound reasonable?

The fact is the supreme court UPHELD the second to include the rights of the individual, just like I and many others with more than one firing brain cell in their heads, knew they would. Its really that simple.

With this ruling, its game over. Carry on with more fear-mongering that the recent ruling could be over-turned. Highly unlikely with a 216 year history of INDIVIDUAL people owning and possessing firearms in this country via the SECOND amendment.

You'd have a better chance of finding Elvis than finding a court, lawyer or law professor that would even attempt to over-turn the recent ruling. Thats a fact.

Perhaps a few on this board should follow their own advice and ask any law professor, lawyer, or judge how likely it is that this latest ruling ( upheld by the highest court in the United States) will be over-turned.

You can now go back to your bunkers...I think I just heard a black helicopter...probably air-dropping NRA leaflets to its membership.
 
Not exactly buzz.


"Bill of Rights, first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States. The Bill of Rights establishes basic American civil liberties that the government cannot violate. The states ratified the Bill of Rights in 1791, three years after the Constitution was ratified. Originally the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government, but in a series of 20th-century cases, the Supreme Court decided that most of its provisions apply to the states. Many countries have used the Bill of Rights as a model for defining civil liberties in their constitutions."
 
Wow, Why did all you libs get all wadded up over Bush's Supreme court nominees? Most of the opposition was centered about Abortion rights,because you were afraid if the majority changed you lose Roe- Wade. This is the same scenario, other side of the coin. But that is they way it works.If BO gets the 1-4 SC appointments like they are saying you wont wait to long till this last 2nd AM.ruling is challenged.
 
Buzz, you are so blind and ignorant it is hopeless with you.

Piper what you are really saying in your last post is that if the goverment promises to make you comfortable, you are willing to give up the right to own firearms. Better hold on to your hat, they do not have a track record of keeping their promises.

RELH
 
RELH I don't think I mean't that losing my firearms is not something that worries me, 50% of us are going to get cancer and die a horrable death, big game hunting in the west is going down the drain, Im a broken leg away from poverty, those things worry me more, and the government doesn't have to make us comfortable, but it shouldn't make us poverty striken and miserable either
 
RELH,

What part of my last post is not fact?

I would appreciate it very much if you'd leave out the fairy tales, what if's, etc. that you've used exclusively to this point to promote your fear of losing THE SECOND amendment.

The second is in no danger of being lost whether McCain or Obama is the next POTUS.

Those are the facts, and I'm sorry you cant handle that you've lost one of the very few pieces of ammo the Republican Party can use to scare voters to vote for the party that has left you.

Not a good time to be a fear-monger and precisely why the American Public is going to elect Obama over McCain. GW and Karl Rove have worn out the fear card. Time for some new "stategery".
 
What if Bush hadn't lied about the WMD's? What if we weren't still in a 100 billion dollar a month war?
What if this and what if that. Guys , it's been the same arguement with every election about the fear of our rights to own weapons. As long as you don't get yourself into a felony conviction , you will stay legal and able to purchase and own a firearm. It's not going to change, they can't control all the illegal guns on the street, the drugs and drunk driving, so why would you believe that they would come after law abiding , legal citizens who are living under their rights? They need to address and handle the problems of the present, the economy, the energy of our country and then the every day plagues in our communities such as drugs,drunk driving, and how we the working force of America are in a struggle.This was the exact same arguement that was used when Clinton was running for office, the exact same bullsh!t, they are gonna take out guns, the NRA was out in full force and we bought into it. Well Clinton has come and gone and guess what , I now own more guns than I did then and hunt every fall just like I did back then not loosing a single gun during his administration. The country has done it the Bush way and look at the big crapper we are in now, even McCains camp does not want President Bushes endorsment , though a lot too late to try and distance himself from "W" your right , he isn't Bush and he did stick it to the GOP 10% OF THE TIME HE CASTED HIS VOTE....So you ask WHY OBAMA? I say WHY NOT!
 
Overton- there are reasons for Americans wanting change, economic opportunity in America is different than 100 or 50 or even 20 years ago, the free land is gone and its not even cheap its not even reasonable now, so things evolve, people are going to demand a more socalized country, its not the end of world its the way things evolve, a good anology is big game hunting in the west, some years ago you had a great opportunity to bag a trophy with a general over the counter tag, everybody that wanted to put forth the effort had the same opportunity, now it has evolved into the luck of the draw you still have to put forth effort but you need luck more than before, its evolved into that, if your lucky and happen to be born with an inheritance you still have to put forth effort to become wealthy and if you don't you can still become wealthy but its much harder,kind of like trying to get a trophy with a general tag, the end of reasonable priced land in America is one of the big changes to happen recently, bigger than most people think, go ahead and call me envious and all the usuall stuff but I think Im just saying the way it is and why so many people feel like they do
 
Apex;

Please do not insult Ransom and I, we are hillbillies from the Hatfield side that won that feud. Buzz and NMHUNT are just plain ignorant slobs that have not kept in touched with the real world.
I guess they were sleeping when certain cities passed restrictive gun laws that caused the case to go to the supreme court. They have not seen the anti gun laws we have seen here in CA. but once it gets going at the Federal level even they in their backwater western towns will see just how hard it will be to buy a gun in the future or even to pass their guns down to a child or grandchild.
In 30 years of law enforcement I have seen some very ignorant stupid people, but I think those two are right at the top or are anti gunners themselfs trying to pose as hunters on this forum.
The funny thing, is when it happens they will be the first to whine and cry and none of us will give them the time of day.

RELH
 
Piper

Please let me know how a person receiving a stipend from the government leaves them with a sense of self worth.
 
You have a very short memory if you dont remember the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994. It did take away guns! Not all of them but it was a start. It had a 10 year sunset, and luckily Bush was in office. WHAT IF, Gore had been elected? The libs would have renewed that ban and moved on to the next set of bans, be it ammo, manufacture, or your semi-autos. They have shown they are relentless on pushing for gun control,and this will be what they have been dreaming of.
 
I don't think most people would get a feeling of self worth getting that, I don't know how people could get a feeling of self worth about a lot of things, and I could ask a lot of fairness questions like huge tax breaks for having kids? a tax break or a stipend or a rebate, its no different to me I work and pay taxes
 
Wow RELH,
we've had some good conversations over the years, when I lost my brother a few years ago who was a 10 vet of the NM state Police you had said some really nice words , but now that we don't agree, I'm a slob eh??? Thats really ok, as I've always respected you as a member here though, but I too become a a$$hole just as you have become. Yeah I'm a hillbillie, you guys would love to come and hunt on our ranch and you wouldn't hesitate eating our beef, but we disagree on something and it's all out the window. You guys are the biggest idiots around, your thoughts are what has hurt the republican party because of addressing the problem issues you guys choose to stay one sided and argue freedom of owning guns.I said it before, and you can come at me with some more of your mambo johambo bullsh!t, Obama is going to win this election and you still get to keep your guns.
 
RELH,

Thank you for not answering the tough questions...I wouldnt want to either if I were as wrong as you are.

I'll address at least one of your comments about people posing as hunters. Actually, I'll let a few photos do the talking about who's a poser...I like posing with dead animals.

Trip last week on public land and general tags in WY with a fellow "poser"...only saw 17 bulls in 3 days.

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Last years Wyoming Archery raghorn...only because I'm afraid of losing my second amendment rights did I start bowhunting:

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Antelope make good photo ops for the serious poser:

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dink-a-lope:

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Another:

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....and another:

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I like posing with these guys...tags are just too tough to get though to pose very often with them:

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With the economic policy of GWB and the Republicans...the money required to pose with these will make for some tough posing in the immediate future:

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These guys are fun to pose with as well:

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-08 AT 02:35PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-08 AT 02:35?PM (MST)

Sometimes its fun to pose with your family...in particular over a record book bighorn that your Dad just shot after applying for 30+ years:

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...or even with a good friend who lucks out and draws a good ram permit:

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Overton,

No not mad at all...a little bored as I have to wait till tomorrow morning for any further posing. Heading to CO to see if my wife can find a good mule deer buck. Then off to MT to help my younger brother find a mule deer in MT in that crummy unit 270. Of course I have elk/deer tag in MT and will try to find a raghorn and another of those ratty MT whitetails I usually seem to find. Then off to Arizona to find a raghorn in unit 10 for myself.

Finally going to get a vacation...taking off the entire month of November to see if I can pose with a dead animal or two.
 
Buzz

Cool. Good luck and remember this is a great country we live in. Take piper with you. He's an experienced hunter but he really needs the game meat right now and I now know why he couldn't find any living animals LOL.


Ransom
 
Piper

If we ever want to kill anything again we have to eliminate buzz. No wonder hunting was so hard this year.


Ransom
 
Well it appears that Buzz and NMHUNT are hunters. Which makes their stance on electing liberal anti gunners that much harder to swallow.
I can respect a person who tells me that he/she is against guns because they fear them or feel their is no need for civilized persons to own weapons today. I know where they truly stand and they know where I stand at opposite ends.

Guys like Buzz and NMHUNT are the gun owners that will cause us to loose our rights to firearms because they have choosen to stand by the way side and not oppose any further gun restrictions until their hunting guns end up on the chopping block. Wait till you see the Gov. try to take away your semi auto hunting rifles, Rem. 740, Browning semi auto, like they did for a while here in CA. under the diguise it was an "assualt rifle". I was involved in the letter writing to the Attorney General to repeal that new law at the request of my sheriff.
I can not respect your decision to effect my rights under the disguise of being hunting firearm owners, you are the greatest enemy as far as I am concerned.

I am going to be very honest in this, guys like you I have no respect for and never will. End of discussion!!!

RELH
 
Hey RELH

My wife's maiden name is Hatfield. I'm not a hillbilly I just married one. You are absolutely right the most dangerous enemy is the one that is within our ranks. I as a hunter and gun owner will fight for my right and the right of my children and grandchildren to own guns. Its a right we all need to protect and we do so by not supporting polititians that would take that right away. We dont pick and choose when we join the fight, we fight here, and now, and in the future, we should always be vigilant. McCain isn't the perfect choice for President, but he's way better than Obama when it comes to protecting our gun rights. Obama will say anything to get elected, but once in office he will be free to do as he wants. With friends like Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Ted Kennedy,Sarah Brady and the list goes on and on, don't you think they have an agenda to take away your guns. I'm not saying they will be gone in one year or four years but they will whittle away at them until they are gone. So bury your heads in the sand and don't do a damn thing to protect them and see what happens down the road.
 
Wow Buzz, those are some great animals. Too bad they were brought out in this thread in arguement of of the election...Well atleast RELH was a cop....
 
Crap, I go hunting for a week and I miss all this fun.

Buzz you must have photo shopped those pics because if you don't hate Obama and the left with all you're heart you can't be a gun owner , hunter or rancher. no way

Nice bunch of pictures, and I couldn't help but notice none of the frightened family took you up on your bet.
 
I just really dont get it either. ANYONE owning a gun and voting for this guy might as well lop off their unit while they're at it. End result will be the same: you wont be able to use either.

I do think Obama would be a great candidate for a Holiday Inn Express Commercial............ Well no, I dont have any experience but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express Last night.

And yes he has admitted to being a flag burner, and I also think his financial contributions come directly from terrorist organizations. This guy is is the ultimate infilTRAITOR.

I'm stocking up on powder, primers, brass, it may be a long haul guys.

"McSame is better than Hussein"
 
>Can someone please tell me why?
>Because I don't get it.
>
>Why is everyone flocking to this
>guy.

Because Idiots like Huntinaddict are to stupid to do reasearch and learn what the facts are. So they all vote off of feelings. Just like all the anti's do with hunting. It may make sense to crop deer and elk with firearms, but it doesnt feel good, so its not right. They all got swept up in mass Hysteria. If you hunt,fish and love the outdoors and drive alot doing it, there is no way in gods green earth could you vote for this guy if you knew the facts. So im writing it off as they are totally Ignorant of the facts..... all that makes sense....
 
RE: Why Obama?? Hey Buzz Ill wager on TAX increase!!

Hey Buzz,

Ill make you a thousand dollar wager that this administration raises taxes on firearm related products like Shells, primers, powder etc. You dont have to directly attack the 2nd amendment to loose it.
Saying its over rated by the way, is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Why do you people not immigrate to countries that inforce how you all think!! No damn way you could be a red blooded american sportsmen and an idiot also...
 
RELH,

I finally figured out why Buzz dont get it, he has got to be a trust funder!!! To much free time to hunt and pose that much...lol
 
"And you believe the governor of New Mexico knows Obama's intentions, why? Have they ever even met? "
Are you stupid?? If you listen to what a politician says he he will do when elected instead of looking at his past voting record you are. They are ALL LIERS and that is why you look at FACTS and the only facts of what he has done in the past.
For the idiot that in another post said Obama doesnt want to take your guns away, your too stupid to be allowed to vote. Look at the facts, look at past voting records. You think this cat will change his stripes to spots?? Look at what he tried in his home state and home town. In his mind guns kill people and since he will not go after the mentality of those that kill he thinks taking guns away will help them not want to kill. Look at the FACTS!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-08 AT 06:37AM (MST)[p]"Ill make you a thousand dollar wager that this administration raises taxes on firearm related products like Shells, primers, powder etc. You dont have to directly attack the 2nd amendment to loose it.
Saying its over rated by the way, is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Why do you people not immigrate to countries that inforce how you all think!! No damn way you could be a red blooded american sportsmen and an idiot also..."

I see we have someone here with a brain for a change..... Yep, you are correct. I bought 400$ worth of reloading supplies in the last 6 months already and I am not done. Vaccum sealed the stuff will last a lifetime for some.
I bet buzz won't take your bet either. Taxing the crap out of ammo and supplies is just as anti-gun as trying to take guns away. Problem is, it will not lower crime one bit as the inner city thugs do not practice, target shoot, trap shoot, or hunt so a box of ammo is good for at least a dozen kills. Those who are avid shooters will pay the price. They may not get it but they WILL TRY this term. and trying is bad enough because it shows what they really think of us that like to own guns and hunt.
 
?Do you support state legislation to ? ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.? (Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996

?I'm consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.? (Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004)

?I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers lobby.? Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope (2006

Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sports shooting. (United States Senate, vote no. 217, S. 397, July 29, 2005)

Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense. (Illinois Senate, SB 2165, vote 20, March 25, 2004)

In his only two votes on confirming Supreme Court nominees, Obama voted against two of the five justices (Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito) who later affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller.





Yea, he all the sudden thinks different now he is president. LOL
 
Here is a copy and paste.. you can dispute it but show some fact to dispute it.

supporting handgun bans
Obama's support for banning handguns goes back to his earliest days in politics. During his first run for the Illinois Senate in 1996, Obama said on a candidate questionnaire that he supported legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." When challenged about the questionnaire earlier this year, Obama said his campaign staff had filled out the questionnaire incorrectly. (Unfortunately for that story, a version of the questionnaire later appeared bearing Obama's own handwriting.)

In 1999 the Chicago Defender reported that Obama, by then a state senator, proposed banning so-called "junk" guns--a code word for the affordable handguns that anti-gun activists used to call "Saturday Night Specials" until the racist origins of that term became well known.

In 2003 Obama voted to limit handgun purchases to one per month.

Since coming to Washington in 2005, Obama has continued to make clear that he supports banning handguns. This year, as District of Columbia v. Heller headed to the U.S. Supreme Court, more than 300 members of Congress signed a brief urging the Court to declare that the Second Amendment protects an individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms and to overturn D.C.'s handgun ban. Obama and his running mate, Joe Biden, refused to sign the brief.

In keeping with his notion that geography trumps the Constitution, Obama says that local jurisdictions should be able to enact handgun
bans and other restrictive gun laws, regardless of the Second Amendment. ABC News reports that Obama reacted to the Heller case by saying, "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws . . . isn't borne out by our Constitution." The "local jurisdictions" he has in mind, of course, are those that ban handguns--such as Chicago and (until the Heller decision) Washington, D.C.

Obama also supports Sen. Edward Kennedy's bill to ban the manufacture of all currently existing semi-automatic handguns on the grounds that they do not have firing pins and breech faces that imprint microscopic serialized characters on fired cartridge cases.

Obama calls Kennedy's proposal a "common sense" bill. Like the Brady Campaign, Obama characterizes any kind of gun ban as "common sense." Unfortunately, that kind of "common sense" would be all too common in an Obama administration.

opposing self-defense

In addition to Chicago, a number of suburban Illinois cities and towns banned the possession of handguns completely in the 1980s (though several of these laws have been repealed since the Heller decision and NRA is challenging the rest in court).

One of these bans, in the town of Wilmette, led to a 2003 case in which a local resident used a handgun to defend himself from a dangerous repeat offender. Though the shooting was found to be justified, the armed citizen was charged with possessing a handgun in violation of
Wilmette's law and faced jail time.

The injustice of prosecuting a person for defending himself in his own home led Illinois lawmakers to propose legislation that would make self-defense an "affirmative defense" against prosecution for handgun possession in towns like Wilmette.

Both in committee and on the floor of the Illinois Senate, Barack Obama was given the opportunity to stand up for a crime victim and for the right to self-defense, or to stand in support of local gun bans. He chose gun bans. Obama voted four times against the measure, which passed over his opposition, and over a veto by Illinois' anti-gun Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a longtime Obama ally.

Barack Obama's support for local gun bans is even more significant now as he tries to convince voters he is no threat to gun rights. And his actions in 2004 should remind gun owners that (to borrow from his party platform) what doesn't work in Chicago, probably won't work in Cheyenne, either.

banning ammunition

Barack Obama claims that if he is elected president, he "will protect the rights of hunters." But in 2005, halfway through his first year in the Senate, Obama voted for a ban on practically all center-fire rifle ammunition used for hunting or any other purpose. The ban was proposed by Sen. Edward Kennedy as an amendment to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that blocked reckless lawsuits against the gun industry.

If the Kennedy amendment had passed, it would have banned the manufacture of most center-fire rifle ammunition as "armor piercing" ammunition. Unlike current law, which classifies bullets as "armor piercing" ammunition based on the metals used in their construction, the Kennedy amendment would have banned ammunition based upon its velocity and energy.

For obvious reasons, the Departments of Justice and Treasury rejected that concept in the 1980s, when it was first proposed. And when President Bill Clinton and then-Rep. Charles Schumer tried to revive it in the 1990s, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms studied the issue and rejected it again.

Fortunately, the Senate acted to "protect the rights of hunters," but without Obama's help. The Kennedy amendment failed by a vote of 64-31, with John McCain among those opposing this sweeping ban.

taxing your guns
The federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition is a rare creature: a federal tax that is fully supported by those who pay it. Long guns and long gun ammunition are taxed at 11 percent; handguns and handgun ammunition are taxed at 10 percent. The tax is a key source of funding for wildlife conservation projects and shooting range construction across the nation.

But in 1999 then-state senator Obama proposed increasing these taxes by 500 percent. It's safe to say that Obama wasn't hoping to build more shooting ranges.

Right now, a rifle that a manufacturer sells for $500 carries a tax of $55. Under Obama's proposal, that amount would rocket to $330. This would turn a tax willingly paid by sportsmen into a tool to punish gun buyers and would have its biggest impact on those who can least afford to pay such an exorbitant tax--at least, until the loss of sales drove gun stores and manufacturers out of business.

banning semi-autos and magazines
Barack Obama says he supports reinstating the Clinton gun and magazine ban as currently called for in S. 2237, introduced in Congress by Sen. Joe Biden, his running mate. Biden also introduced one of the first federal semi-auto bills in 1989 and worked hard to push the Clinton gun and magazine ban through the Senate in 1993.

This position is nothing new for Obama. On a 1998 "political awareness" survey, he stated as a "principle" that he would support "Ban[ning] the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons."

In 2003, while serving on the Illinois State senate's Judiciary Committee, Obama--though he touts his credentials as a legal scholar--voted in favor of a terribly drafted bill that would have banned (as so-called "semi-automatic assault weapons") many firearms that weren't even semi-autos.

Under SB 1195's definitions, all single-shot and double-barreled shotguns 28 gauge or larger, and many semi-auto shotguns, would have been banned, along with hundreds of models of rifles and handguns. If SB 1195 had passed, any Illinois resident who possessed one of these guns 90 days after it went into effect would have faced felony charges. Fortunately, less radical views prevailed, and the bill died at the end of the legislative session.

On October 21, 2004, during his U.S. Senate campaign, Obama said that the guns covered by the Clinton ban "have only one purpose, to kill people," adding, "I think it is a scandal that [President Bush] did not authorize a renewal" of the ban.

In April 22, 2007, Radio Iowa News reported that Obama said, "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip (sic) semiautomatic." And on July 15, 2007, Fox News reported that Obama called for Congress "to permanently reinstate an assault weapons ban."

A new ban surely will be reintroduced in Congress in 2009. Obama would sign a ban into law, as he has made clear throughout his career. With Obama lobbying from the White House, it would be more likely that Congress would pass a ban. Longtime NRA members may recall that in 1991, when President George H.W. Bush was in office, many Democrats voted with Republicans to defeat a gun and magazine ban in the House of Representatives by 70 votes. But in 1994, when President Clinton was in office, many Democrats who voted against the ban in 1991 buckled under pressure from their party's leader and voted for it.

The Brady Campaign says that banning "assault weapons" and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is one of its top three priorities in 2009. As their records show, it has long been a priority of Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

opposing right-to-carry
In the past 20 years, one of the greatest victories for gun owners has been the passage of Right-to-Carry laws in dozens of states. Right now, 40 states have laws that fully respect the right of law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense. Another eight states have laws that allow some carry permits. Only two states--Wisconsin and Obama's home state of Illinois--completely prohibit permits for honest people.

Barack Obama continues to support this total ban--and wants to expand it. In 2004 Obama stated: "I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry," and said he would back "federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement." Why? A federal carry ban was needed, Obama said, to "prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents."

And his position has not changed during this presidential campaign. In April of 2008 Obama repeated his opposition to citizens' self-protection, stating, "I am not in favor of concealed weapons" and argued that Right-to-Carry "creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

Never mind the evidence, of course, which shows this claim has proven false in state after state where Right-to-Carry has been implemented.

shutting down gun stores
In 1999 then-state Sen. Obama said there should be a federal law to ban any gun store from operating within five miles of any park or school.

This radical idea, like many other gun control schemes, plays on Americans' fears for their children's safety. But its effects would be dramatic. The Obama scheme would create interlocking zones that would completely cover almost every inhabited area in the nation.

Indeed, a number of people have attempted to map out online how this radical idea would play out if enacted. The results of these "Obama Exclusion Zones" are dramatic--but not surprising. Under this law, most major metropolitan areas and their suburbs, and even small towns, would become "gun store-free zones."

Based on an NRA survey of gun stores nationwide, it appears that this radical anti-gun idea would close more than 90 percent of the gun stores in the U.S., leaving guns for sale only in the most remote, sparsely populated areas of our country. Obama's endorsement of this radical and ill-conceived idea is a clear example of his contempt for Second Amendment rights.

abusing the courts
A little over a decade ago, it became clear to anti-gun groups that neither the people nor their elected representatives would support or adopt their radical agenda.

So they turned to the courts.

Led by anti-gun mayors from cities like Obama's hometown of Chicago, and amply funded by the Joyce Foundation , the plan was to use the courts to impose harsh restrictions on gun sellers and buyers. Even if that failed, huge legal fees would force gun manufacturers to settle out of court or face bankruptcy.

In almost every case, the anti-gun lawsuits were dismissed or defeated, but the costs were real. While the cities had the deep pockets of the taxpayers to pay the costs, gun makers had to bear their own legal fees. There was intense pressure on the manufacturers to settle, but they would have had to accept strict new regulations on how firearms were made or sold.

NRA took the lead in blocking these lawsuits at the federal and state level. In 2005, after a seven-year fight, NRA won congressional passage of the Protection of Lawful Commerce In Arms Act. This law prohibits politically motivated lawsuits from being used to bankrupt the firearm industry.

Among those voting against the landmark law: Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

funding the anti-gun lobby
Barack Obama was a board member of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation from 1994-2001. The Joyce Foundation is the largest source of funding for radical anti-gun groups, political operatives, researchers and causes in the country.

In Obama's watch, Joyce donated $18.6 million to approximately 80 anti-gun efforts, including $1.5 million to the Violence Policy Center, the nation's most aggressive gun prohibition activist group.

Other groups receiving funds from the Foundation during the Obama years include the handgun ban group CeaseFire, Inc., the Consumer Federation of America (to promote regulations dictating the design of firearms), the Entertainment Industries Council (to promote anti-gun viewpoints among Hollywood writers, producers and actors), the Berkeley (California) Media Studies Group (to provide media training to gun control advocates), the Boston University School of Public Health (to promote the anti-gun JoinTogether website), the Legal Community Against Violence of San Francisco (which drafts anti-gun legislation at the state level), Ohio State University (to support anti-gun professor Saul Cornell's fictitious descriptions of the Second Amendment's history), anti-gun researcher Dr. Garen Wintemute's Violence Prevention Research Program (for a study alleging that gun owners have an increased risk of death), the Northeastern University College of Criminal Justice (toward establishing a firearm lawsuit center) and numerous university public health departments (to conduct anti-gun research).

To put it simply, from a financial standpoint, the Joyce Foundation is the anti-gun movement in this country. And Barack Obama was one of its leaders.

nominating judges
Ultimately, nearly all legal disputes that affect gun owners' rights--whether interpreting the Second Amendment or addressing the fate of anti-gun lawsuits--are fair game for the Supreme Court.

During an August candidate forum, both Barack Obama and John McCain were asked which sitting justices they would not have nominated to the Supreme Court. Obama said he would not have nominated Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. It was Justice Scalia who wrote the majority opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, which declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and that D.C.'s handgun ban is unconstitutional. Justice Thomas joined Justice Scalia's opinion.

As a member of the Senate, Obama has had the opportunity to vote on just two Supreme Court nominees--Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, both of whom joined Justice Scalia's majority opinion in Heller. Obama (and his running mate, Joe Biden) voted against Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito. (John McCain, by contrast, voted for every justice in the Heller majority nominated during his time in the Senate.)

The Heller case did not resolve every question about the nature and purpose of the Second Amendment--no single case could. New cases are now moving through the judicial process and some may reach the Supreme Court. The next president--especially if he is elected to a second term--will likely appoint three or more justices to the Court.

With so much in play, the makeup of the Court in the near future is of crucial importance to the long-term future of the Second Amendment. And where judicial appointments are concerned, there is no question that the right to arms will be in jeopardy if Barack Obama wins in November.
 
He will now spent the next 2 months scaling back on his Kool-aid promises. Everyone thought he would be this great instant change.
In his speech his words were "we may not get it done in a year, or the first term"

It will start with this:
Senior U.S. military officials will likely advise Barack Obama to adjust his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by mid-2010. While promising a 16-month timetable for getting all U.S. fighting forces out, Obama repeatedly insisted on what he calls a "responsible" withdrawal. Pulling nearly all U.S. troops and equipment out of Iraq in 16 months is "physically impossible," says a top officer involved in briefing the President-elect on U.S. operations in Iraq. That schedule would create a bottleneck of equipment and troops in the south of Iraq and Kuwait where brigades repair, clean and load vehicles and weapons for the trip home, said the official. Others say U.S. could conceivably pull out on that time scale, although that would require leaving more equipment behind. A more important concern that, officers believe the security gains in Iraq would be put at risk if troops were withdrawn before the Iraqi security forces are in a position to protect their own communities and borders.
 
Wow...........all those pics prove something alright.....Buzz is a rich liberal snot knose with no grasp on how economics effect middle class folks.....
 
Schmaltz, many goods points and posts. This one is already being played out in CA with the non tox ammo in condor country crap bill that was passed and i think it is just the start.
You and many others are correct, we need to stay focused and pound our worthless legislators to let them know what the millions of hunters and gun owners think about this...
Yobama was the worst choice possible and now we have to deal with it.


Stop Global Whining
 
Did you have the internet hooked up in your underground bunkers or are you just waiting until Jan 21st?

With the crap pile Obama is stepping into gun control will be at the bottom of his to do list. if by some chance he manages to fix this mess well enough to be reeleted in 2012 some of your many fears might be valid. until then relaxe and accept the fact you left the nation in a such a sad state of affairs and presented candidates so crappy a clown like Obama could blow them away. you got what you asked for.
 
Because he offers free hand outs. The majority elected this guy and it's sad to say that the majority of Americans think their country owes them something whilst they sit on their lazy a$$.Americans didn't use to be that way. Consequently, hard working Americans are now the minority.

Mcain also ran a piss poor campagin.
 
Americans work on average the most hours per week and take the least annual vacation days of any major industrialized country, so speak only for yourself next time when you make such stupid generalized statements
 
>We have to so we can
>pay for the lazy bastards
>who don't want to work
>at all.

yep, like this one

 
Schmalts:

I knew they would'nt say anything about Obama's anti gun stand. Typical of them, show them evidence and they shut up, or they will start ranting something real intelligent like, "Oh, but he really won't do that"

No one person in here that supported Obama will dispute what you just sayed. Which also shows there ignorance if they are a sportsmen, that they voted for the socialist idiot...
 
>Wow...........all those pics prove something alright.....Buzz
>is a rich liberal snot
>knose with no grasp on
>how economics effect middle class
>folks.....

Cracking up!! Same thing i said, only called him a "Trust Funder"
 

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