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Here is a picture of the deer I mentioned in post 17 before this thread jumped the tracks
?? That’s a horse. Inside spread is unreal. Congrats to him again.Here is a picture of the deer I mentioned in post 17 before this thread jumped the tracks
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I want the name of your buddy's camo headnet manufacturer.My friends just returned from Coues deer hunting down there in Sonora. Those are still good honest hunts, and up in the hills, with lots of hiking. The lower portions of the ranch are "managed" for big mule deer, and hunts are pretty much guaranteed by use of alfalfa, corn, protein, and lots of water tanks. $25K gets you a big deer. These below are a couple of their culls!!
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I wonder if they make body suits?I want the name of your buddy's camo headnet manufacturer.
That’s a buck they named Goliath. Buro Crazy was the outfitter. He’s been on Instagram for a while now.Here is a picture of the deer I mentioned in post 17 before this thread jumped the tracks
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Here’s a couple more pics. First is the buck at the feeder:Here is a picture of the deer I mentioned in post 17 before this thread jumped the tracks
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I thought you lived in Texas?Yeah not my style, same with shooting a 400inch Amish raised white tail, but to each their own
I don’t think it’s netting, maybe zoomed pixel photo
High fence/netting in the feeder pic?
It sure looks like netting, & it appears the photo was taken thru it as well.Yeah not my style, same with shooting a 400inch Amish raised white tail, but to each their own
I don’t think it’s netting, maybe zoomed pixel photo
It sure as heck ain't pixels. The first pic with the blacked-out hunter appeared to be nighttime. This one you just posted is daytime. So confusing.I don’t think it’s netting. Here’s a field pic of the buck. The head is bigger than that guys chest. They grow em big in Mexico. Rumor going around is the hunter doesn’t like tamales. Que Bueno!View attachment 67575
It’s the computer screen. You can see the mouse pointer in the picture.It sure as heck ain't pixels. The first pic with the blacked-out hunter appeared to be nighttime. This one you just posted is daytime. So confusing.
Yeah, it’s all in a good days fun for some folks , Mexico and protein feed it’s not some magic feed ( age + genetics + 20% protein)He's a monster! Fun to look at...not my kind of hunting though.
He may have been the wildest, smartest most elusive beast to ever walk on the planet but the pic of him at the feeder (wrong or right) ruins it for me.
I'd get more personal pride and satisfaction out of building a replica from wood.
Having said that I could care less how someone else hunts or spends their money.
Hmmm. If you say so. Sure doesn't look like any computer screen I've seen. And yes, I saw the mouse pointer.It’s the computer screen. You can see the mouse pointer in the picture.
Looks like a no brainer lolMy friends just returned from Coues deer hunting down there in Sonora. Those are still good honest hunts, and up in the hills, with lots of hiking. The lower portions of the ranch are "managed" for big mule deer, and hunts are pretty much guaranteed by use of alfalfa, corn, protein, and lots of water tanks. $25K gets you a big deer. These below are a couple of their culls!!
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Shot it late in the day and took pics the next day...I am curious too about the day and night pictures
Must call him the dessert buck because he was eating ice cream and cake out-of that feeder?Yeah, it’s all in a good days fun for some folks , Mexico and protein feed it’s not some magic feed ( age + genetics + 20% protein)
Muy Grande!Here is a picture of the deer I mentioned in post 17 before this thread jumped the tracks
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Yup. I have to post an animated example of how to use toilet paper and where to throw it in the porta john’s on my job sites. It’s a hilarious picture but it actually works.Most everywhere I’ve been has pretty poor plumbing so TP and wet wipes go in the garbage beside the toilet. Pretty gross, but it is what it is. I’m headed back down in the morning for another few weeks South of the border.
Si venado muy macho Y muy hambre ?Muy Grande!
Heard the shooter hit his head on a low branch and one of the packers got 3 cactus needles in leg going out in the brash to take a leak.I Hope There Wasn't any Over Exertion with The Pack-Out/Drag-Out?
wow....you have good eyes bess....that was hard to see.....lolAt 7:04!
Enlarge The Play Screen!
And You'll See The Road!
Same Road They Haul The CHUM In On!
I tried watching....I was done when he zero'd his rifle at a 25 degree down slope target......and was surprised it was high..........Watch This & Then Answer a couple Questions:
How Often Have 2 of You walking together Spotted a Big Buck Bedded at Point Blank Range?
And For Those of You that Have:
Did He Just Sit There & Stare At You Until You Shot Him?
Use your phone to take a picture of something on your computer screen. It'll look the same, with that "netting" appearance on it.Hmmm. If you say so. Sure doesn't look like any computer screen I've seen. And yes, I saw the mouse pointer.
Aaah, so that's it. Thanks.Use your phone to take a picture of something on your computer screen. It'll look the same, with that "netting" appearance on it.
I think so? not sure, never done that. But I have definitely done it with a phone camera a bunch and that netting look always shows up.Aaah, so that's it. Thanks.
I don't have a phone cam but will try it with my normal digital one. Should that give the same effect?
I'll let you know manana.I think so? not sure, never done that. But I have definitely done it with a phone camera a bunch and that netting look always shows up.
Similar but much different at the same time. Yours has repeated, uniform lines over the entire image. That is not the case with one earlier. Note especially high up against the sky where the 'squares' are bigger and not in exact straight rows but actually are curved.For exampleView attachment 67666
That will vary based on the resolution and type of the computer screen. My monitor is fairly advanced with 8k resolution and a curved screen, so the effect is smaller grids that are less noticeable. But the real giveaway in the feeder photo is the mouse cursor at the top left right by that pole.Similar but much different at the same time. Yours has repeated, uniform lines over the entire image. That is not the case with one earlier. Note especially high up against the sky where the 'squares' are bigger and not in exact straight rows but actually are curved.
Cursor could be there even if it was a photo with netting that was being viewed on the screen. But I'm sure you are correct. I'll test & see later.That will vary based on the resolution and type of the computer screen. My monitor is fairly advanced with 8k resolution and a curved screen, so the effect is smaller grids that are less noticeable. But the real giveaway in the feeder photo is the mouse cursor at the top left right by that pole.
Are those prixels, as you enlarge the image the prixels get bigger.Similar but much different at the same time. Yours has repeated, uniform lines over the entire image. That is not the case with one earlier. Note especially high up against the sky where the 'squares' are bigger and not in exact straight rows but actually are curved.
Maybe it is the way the screen is tilted in that one.?
But it is not the same over the entire original image like it is in the latest example above. IOW, enlarging an image causes all the pixels to get bigger over the WHOLE enchilada. The lines in those two images do not appear to be pixels, per se, but more like noise.Are those prixels, as you enlarge the image the prixels get bigger.
Are most of your old slides pre-digital images ODW
This my last comment on this issue. I'll try to duplicate that effect using my camera.Are those prixels, as you enlarge the image the prixels get bigger.
Are most of your old slides pre-digital images ODW
It’s the screen. Depends on type of screen etc. I think we’ve hit a new low on MMs debating if it’s netting or a computer screen hahaha.This my last comment on this issue. I'll try to duplicate that effect using my camera.
This are different areas of the original photo all enlarged the same amount. Note the differences of the 'squares' in regard to sizes & direction...
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Okay, I'll go along that it isn't netting.It’s the screen. Depends on type of screen etc. I think we’ve hit a new low on MMs debating if it’s netting or a computer screen hahaha.
Trust me I wish I could say it was netting just to get those Mexican purists worked up…
I think we agree with your last statement. The netting effect isn't directly due to enlargement of pixels/etc. but likely caused by refresh rate/light capture of the camera. In the enlarged pic you have of the cursor, you can see the netting over "top" of the cursor too. In the pic I posted from my phone of my screen the "netting" is the semi-diagonal striations that create a hatch pattern of varying sizes mostly visible in the right half of the image. It is less defined and noticeable compared to the feeder pic, due to the difference in monitor qualities.Okay, I'll go along that it isn't netting.
I've been editing photos for more than 30 years on various desktops & laptops with several image manipulation programs & have NEVER seen 'pixels' look that way when enlarged. Image pixels are squares that are the exact same size across the the entire image, and each one reacts identical to the others when enlarged or shrunk.
I'm thinking the effect might be like taking a photo of an old TV screen where some distortion takes place from refreshing.
Corn holds deer better than nets anyway. Don't ask me how I know.Ok , guys, those are with out a doubt computer pixels, I am a wildlife manager for a network of large private companies, the managers and bioligest share massive amount of
photos from helicopter survey and game cameras, when transferring from computer to email or text or via computer to computer the pixels will show up like netting
no dubious activity from Mexican ranchers netting in mulie deer
a fence is unnecessary or economical on 20,000-100,000 hectacres ranch’s
pure age + genetic + protein/water and feed = monster mulie deer
I believe that was an effect of the newsprint. An image scan from a magazine page or a matte snapshot also yields something similar. Those aren't pixels, however.Don’t know what it is ODW.
Years ago, when I got my first digital scanner I found a bunch of old local newspaper clipping from some big buck contests back in the 1950-60. When I scanned them on the flatbed scanner they all came out covered in black and white cells, almost like there were laying under a screen mesh. I’ll try to dig one out and share it when I get a minute.
What did I start ???You getting all this SS?
Google is your friend-
"They're called Moiré patterns http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moiré_pattern
It's caued by the interferance pattern between the pixel grid in your camera's sensor, the pixel grid on the screen your photographing and the pixel grid on your phone's screen (which is why they change when you zoom)
If you take a picture of window screen or other regular square pattern you can see the same thing. You can even see them in the real world by looking through two layers of wire screens (an apropriate distance appart)
(The reason they're curved is because different parts of the monitor are different distances from the camera sensor so the interferance frequency changes .)"
How to Remove the Moire Pattern from LED Photography | Insane Impact
The moire pattern can ruin the best photographs - the best moments. Trying to photograph a screen and can't get it to look right? Here are steps to fix it.insaneimpact.com
remember to pull with the grain.I Hope There Wasn't any Over Exertion with The Pack-Out/Drag-Out?
Saw a buck close to this in Nevada maybe 6-8 years ago. Too bad he was just out of season and I didn't get the tag the following year(s). About the same width, 5x5, but no extras.Here is a picture of the deer I mentioned in post 17 before this thread jumped the tracks
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that? That’s what it took to get you to smile?You guys thinking they’re using what looks like essentially bird netting, to fence in deer, clearly shows how ignorant you are. There’s no argument over the fact that there’s high fences in Mexico, but why would they put a feeder right next to the fence, and why the hell would they put the camera on the other side of the “fence”?
How stupid. I know for a fact.,Keith warren came to the uintah basin years ago and shot a bull off a high fence ranch in altamont. I know the guy that guided him. if you can call it guiding. He has a history of high fence hunting so he has no credibility
High focking fence. No question!Just saw this picture on another thread. WTF could possibly cause this affect on an image!!! Let’s talk about it for 3 or 4 pages
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You got your mission outdoor writer. Grab your camera and a bong and see if this is what did it.Laying in bed after a big bong hit, with the shades drawn.
Here we go SS!! Gunna be a good 2 pages!!Don’t know about the bong but definitely shades on a window. You can see the strings that hold/separate the slates
Nah, that could just be a filter on the computer screenDon’t know about the bong but definitely shades on a window. You can see the strings that hold/separate the slates
NopeNah, that could just be a filter on the computer screen
That’s like hiring a prostitute and bragging about how you pulled in the hottest chick around
Who’s going to build the fence?If they can fence in deer, they can fence in the mexicans.
Seriously who puts the alfalfa field in the MIDDLE of 20,000 acres?Well on the elementary level of examples the deer in the mythical alfalfa field can leave at any time and go anywhere he wants to go. The deer in the 3 sided high fence cannot. Oh btw did you know on a lot of the ranches that are fenced on 3 sides the last side is fenced off by the neighbor? So they are unable to leave. Some of the desert bighorn hunts are like this too. The fence is the ocean so they still qualify for B&C….
I don’t expect a reply or want one. It’s clear with your craptastic example where your opinion is. Seriously who puts the alfalfa field in the MIDDLE of 20,000 acres?
Are you sure its not just you??Yup. I have to post an animated example of how to use toilet paper and where to throw it in the porta john’s on my job sites. It’s a hilarious picture but it actually works.
Free range? ????No pants????? No problem on this free range, post rut, mule tail from south of the bordello. Congrats on a dandy.
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Least they took the bell off it’s neck before the pictureFree range? ????
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Incorrect info here. Costs just over $30,000 per mile right now in soft ground to erect a high fence. If it is rocky/hard ground it is more. I do business with two different companies who install high fences and that is the estimated current rate for a fence based on current supply inventory. They expect input prices to jump substantially with current inflationary and supply chain issues.Not really all that expensive, when you run cost/ benefit decision. In the US right now it runs about $9-12K per mile to game fence a ranch. Will be cheaper in Mexico, just because of low labor. At 10-20 thousand per buck, it's paid for the first year!
“At $30k per acre on a 30,000 acre high fence ranch, that would be pushing right around $900,000”Incorrect info here. Costs just over $30,000 per mile right now in soft ground to erect a high fence. If it is rocky/hard ground it is more. I do business with two different companies who install high fences and that is the estimated current rate for a fence based on current supply inventory. They expect input prices to jump substantially with current inflationary and supply chain issues.
At $30k per acre on a 30,000 acre high fence ranch, that would be pushing right around $900,000 if the ranch was perfectly square or rectangular. Most are not perfectly square or rectangular which leads to more linear miles of fencing.
I’m not debating the Mexico/high fence issue. I’m just saying that the figures stated in the quoted post are wildly erroneous.
I'm curious as well, so let's check him on it. 30000 acres is (30000/640) or 46.875 square miles. If this hypothetical property was perfectly square in shape, then take the square root of 46.875 and we see that's 6.85 miles on each of the 4 sides. Meaning (6.85x4) or about 27.4 linear miles of fence. So then 27.4 x $30000 equals 822,000.00. So yes indeed....RdRdrFan knew exactly what he was talking about“At $30k per acre on a 30,000 acre high fence ranch, that would be pushing right around $900,000”
Speaking of wildly erroneous. What kind of math is that??
190 – 199 | $5,950 |
200-205 | +$13,950 |
205-229 | +$495 per inch |
230+ | +$695 per inch |
That's disgusting...Haha.I'm man enough to come back and apologize here. I think the whole chuckle about the math was the mention of $30K per acre! That would certainly be expensive.
I did double check with my friend that fenced his 5800 game ranch in Oklahoma in 2020. It was $180,000 for 12 miles of fence, so $15K then. That is with a major reputable US company, so I'm sure the Covid supply issues with labor and material have driven the prices up. I stand corrected, and maybe $25-30K is the cost now. However, in Mexico they would not be anywhere close to US prices either, and you certainly don't high fence an entire 30,000 acre ranch.
All of his internal WT breeder pens are fenced with the new 8 foot polypropylene fence, which is only $1/lin ft (material cost). His deer average about $15K, and his elk are about the same.
Here's a current price list for one of the main trophy MD ranches in Mexico right now! They hunt 65,000 acres, but only 8500 is high fenced. Doesn't take many deer to pay for a fence there.
"Platinum Level Buck: Base Price of $12,950
+Trophy Fees:
All Mule deer Bucks need to be minimum 5 1/2+ yrs. old in order to harvest.
190 – 199 $5,950 200-205 +$13,950 205-229 +$495 per inch 230+ +$695 per inch
Included:
- 4 days – 5 nights hunt"
you're....Your kinda on a roll tonight!! That’s funny stuff there