Claude Dallas

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Well it's been a little over four years since his release. Where do you think he went, and what's he been up to.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-09 AT 05:02PM (MST)[p]D13er says he is in Alaska..good place for him maybe he will try to re-enact what Tim BearBait could not do.
Do a search on e-bay or maybe library for a book called "Outlaw" by Jeff Long......it is about Claude Dallas.

Brian
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-09 AT 05:04PM (MST)[p]I have read a couple different books about him and his sorry life story....he had been to alaska a few times before and I'd bet alot that is where he is. He wasn't that cool of a guy.


great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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Have you guys read "Give a boy a gun"? Pretty good book, that's the only one I've ever come across. I still remember turning on the news the morning Connely Elm's body was in the river. I still can't believe the fans he had in court. Those were some wierd days!
 
Interesting case - though the fact remains he was convitcted on two counts of voluntary manslaughter and served his full time. The world should probably just let him be.

Check out the Wikipedia entry - somebody who edited it was angry!


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
"Give a Boy a Gun" by Jack Olsen. The best book written about Claude I think.

I used to hunt that Owyhee country a lot. I talked to several ranchers who knew Claude. They are (were) not real big on game wardens in that desolate part of the world.
 
After reading the books, it's not that the majority of the people in the area liked Claude Dallas, they just HATED the federal government more. The feds came in with guns blazing telling the local law enforcement and people to stay the hell out of the way.....and that didn't fly too well.



great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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I read "Give a boy a gun" too and thought it was a pretty good book. In my mind Dallas is a poacher who bent the law to suit his desires. And he killed two men who were enforcing the law! That makes him a lowlife scumbag who should'a been treated exactly like he treated the two wardens! Some call him some kind of anti-gov. hero but i call him a murderer and a cheat! He would of made a great shed horn-hunter in utah though! He would of rationalized harassing elk and deer and shot anyone who crowded or tryed to stop him!
 
Ask me no questions... I'll tell you no lies!

"In a land the Spanish once had called the Northern Mystery,
Where rivers run and disappear the mustang still is free.
By the Devil's wash and the coyote hole in the wild Owyhee Range
Somewhere in the sage tonight the wind calls out his name."
(Ian Tyson)

Don't tread on me - Nevada Badger
 
>With any luck he is in
>a pile of bear feces
>somewhere. CD is a
>POS.
>

Dude... he makes you look like a girl scout.

(sorry, no offence to Girl Scouts intended)
 
'Dude... he makes you look like a girl scout.'

Well big shot, if the alternative to being a girl scout is being a cold blooded killer, I'M PROUD TO BE A GIRL SCOUT! Go jump off a cliff when you're done sticking up for Manson you ### bag.

Sorry no offense to A## Bags.



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>'Dude... he makes you look like
>a girl scout.'
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>Well big shot, if the alternative
>to being a girl scout
>is being a cold blooded
>killer, I'M PROUD TO BE
>A GIRL SCOUT! Go
>jump off a cliff when
>you're done sticking up for
>Manson you ### bag.
>
>Sorry no offense to A## Bags.
>
>
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Hi friend,

I realize Marilyn Manson if a freak, but why all the hate bro?

Live free or die - NevadaBadger
 
I was refering to Charles, Chucky, Charlie, ...figured he is a nice role model killer too so he must be up your alley of folks you defend on the internet. All the hate?? ...really?? Well, I have no use for killers, especially cop killers, ...so if you're sticking up for CD I have no use for you either.

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I'm sorry.

I forgot the FED'S can do no harm!!!

I don't mind being harassed and badgered by the goverment.

Take my guns & ammo please!!!

e.
 
>NBadger.......
>Here read this and see WHO
>Charlie Manson is and why
>he is such a dirt
>bag.
>http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID11/9716.html
>
>For a newbie here you sure
>are starting off on the
>wrong foot, lighten up and
>relax.
>
>Brian

What Claude Dallas didwas wrong? But it can go both ways. He's gone through the judicial system (unlike Charlie who is there for life). Right or wrong - leave him alone.

NevadaBadger
NevadaBadger
 
I guess you don't mind low down dirty poachers who think the rules don't apply them either. Are you a poacher who is being harassed and badgered by the goverment? If you think CD was a martyr who was right to put a round behind a couple of ears then maybe you shouldn't have guns and ammo. Take off your tin foil hat and stop shooting at overhead planes in your airspace long enough to think of what you are advocating. At least Darner didn't execute anyone. Find a new poacher for your idol.

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'What Claude Dallas didwas wrong? But it can go both ways. He's gone through the judicial system (unlike Charlie who is there for life). Right or wrong - leave him alone.'

You're partly right, CD did go through the system and will forever be a convicted felon. It's just too bad that two others will NEVER get to go through the judicial process and yet they continue to serve a life....or is it death sentance because CD deemed himself to be judge, jury, and executioner.



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People can only be pushed so far before they boil over. They messed with the bull and they got the horns. The man has served his time and paid his dues, he should be left alone to live out the rest of his life. People should learn from his life story. Long live Claude Dallas & The Modena Ghost.
 
here Jake.....


Memories of Tragedy and Trial





By: M. Shaw
FWOA Associate

April 26, 2001, long before his thirty year sentence is over for the January 5, 1981 brutal murders of two Idaho Fish and Game Officers, Claude Lafayette Dallas Jr. will go before the Idaho Parole Commission. Just twenty years after Judge Edward J. Lodge characterized Dallas' premeditated murders of CO Bill Pogue and CO Conley Elms as "unjustified", "morally reprehensible" and "without remorse", Dallas will have a chance at life and freedom.

District Conservation Officer Gary Loveland of the Idaho Fish and Game Department termed the Dallas trial "a media circus" and after twenty years the media continues to portray Dallas as a folk hero and legend. Those who perceived Dallas as a hero failed to examine his behavior during his cowboy and mountain man/trapper days.

The behaviors Claude Dallas exhibited in those "close to the land" days lead to the murders of Officers Pogue and Elms. Jack Olsen, for his book "Give a Boy a Gun" interviewed cowboys and others Dallas had known for years before the murders. His cowboy "hero" days were fraught with cruelty to animals and poaching activities. All those Olsen interviewed had stories about Dallas' poaching.... always poaching. Not the stuff cowboy heroes are made of.

According to Olsen's informants Dallas was noted for having sledge hammered a stallion; punched cows in the nose when he lost his temper; knocked out a Labrador retriever; and had to be physically pulled off a cow he was beating with a 2 x 4 before he killed it. Olsen found that trappers were afraid of Dallas, that he enjoyed killing, was known for removing traps of other trappers and illegally baited traps that killed everything indiscriminately, including eagles. After taking wildlife Dallas would discard it, waste it. Dallas, according to Olsen, was infamous amongst trappers in numerous states for illegally poaching bobcats, cougars, sheep, mustangs and deer.

Movie scripts and an adoring ballad by Ian Tyson to pen contend, "Dallas lived by the laws of nature; not the laws of man" never noting that conservation laws are written to aid the laws of nature in preserving wildlife and its habitat against the excesses of man and blatant human greed. Dallas was known to trap out a whole area and move on. His killing was that of an indiscriminant predator, observing no law of nature or of man.

In the winter of 1980 Dallas had set up his trapping camp in Bull Basin, Idaho, three miles from the Nevada border using a "home" address in nearby Paradise Hill, Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management had leased Bull Basin to the Carlin's 45 Ranch as wintering ground for their cattle. To set up his winter trapping camp, "Dallas had moved the 45 ranch cattle out of their leased ground and shut the gates thus denying the 45's cattle access to water.

You don't do that in Idaho," stated Tim Nettleton, now retired from the Owyhee County Sheriff's Department. "Dallas thought the laws didn't apply to him and he always blamed someone else when things went wrong. His father raised him in Ohio and taught him to shoot geese for sale. He kept doing that long after market hunting was illegal."

According to Nettleton, "Ten days before the murders, Eddy Carlin checked Dallas out. He noted two illegal bobcat hides in Dallas' camp as well as poached deer. Carlin mentioned to Dallas that Idaho Fish and Game would check the area out. While ranchers might have a blind eye for one deer for food hunted out of season they do not have a blind eye to a lot of killing. Dallas had retorted, "I'll be ready for them."*

Eddy Carlin's meeting with Dallas had made him uneasy. According to Jerry Thiessen, retired State Game Manager, "Dallas had advised Carlin that he settles his business with a gun. Dallas was polite but his intimidating tactics to scared the heck out of anybody."

Don and Eddy Carlin of the 45 ranch had also noted other trappers illegally poaching sage grouse on the 45's leased land. They rode to a nearby Indian reservation to use the telephone and phoned CO Bill Pogue at home. They registered a complaint about the sage grouse poachers, but not Claude Dallas.

COs Bill Pogue and Conley Elms responded to the public complaint. They left their homes at night to drive to the Owyhee Mountains. According to Jerry Thiessen, " they had a few hours sleep in the Fish and Game truck and showed up at the 45 early in the morning" of January 5.

When they were about to leave Carlin's ranch, Eddy Carlin's wife mentioned about the guy at Bull Camp. At that point Eddy could not avoid it and advised the officers about Dallas. Carlin warned them to be careful and that he didn't trust Dallas.

They looked after the sage grouse poachers first and met Claude Dallas by the rim above the camp in the afternoon. They had had a lot of distance to cover in the remote area." "In my opinion," stated Tim Nettleton, when Dallas met Pogue on the rim he made the decision to shoot him." Judge Edward Lodge arrived at the same conclusion in his judgment of Dallas.

Witness, Jim Stevens, testified Claude Dallas had said, "I could have taken them on the rim but they would have killed me up there."* The judge spoke of Dallas' "premeditation"* and "thinking about the situation"* and time to think about what he would do as they had descended to Bull Basin Camp from the rim.

Dallas had attempted to convince the jury at his trial that the officers were a threat to him from the rim. He had testified CO Pogue advised him they were there to investigate a complaint about illegal bobcats. Dallas confessed to having deer meat, but not bobcats. Dallas testified that CO Pogue had gone to the Fish and Game truck and retrieved handcuffs and a backpack for the descent to the camp. Dallas made a specific point about handcuffs being taken out of the truck at the rim, implying CO Bill Pogue was threatening him and was expressing an attitude which implied he intended to do Dallas harm.*

Dallas also testified that at the rim when CO Elms reached inside his Fish and Game coat, Dallas saw Elms' shoulder holster, implying that CO Conley Elms was threatening him too.* "I think," said Tim Nettleton, "that Conley Elms had a sweater over his shoulder holster. His shoulder holster would have been completely concealed."

Pictures of CO Elms revealed that in the winter he wore sweaters over his shoulder holster, under his large Fish and Game coat and law enforcement verified that Elms did not use his gun and kept it covered up. Elms, "a big, kind guy", was known for his negotiating skills with violators rather than his gun. To suggest that he had threatened anyone was completely out character.

At his trial, Dallas testified that CO Pogue requested to see his .22 trap pistol but never requested the gun Dallas claimed "bulged"* under his coat and would have been "clearly visible"* to CO Pogue. "His intent", mentioned Jerry Thiessen," was to imply CO Pogue was wanting a gun fight with him."

This suggestion by Dallas was completely out of Pogue's character as well. CO Pogue was a veteran law enforcement officer. He had been a police officer and the Police Chief of Winnemucca before becoming a Fish and Game officer. The likelihood of a veteran law enforcement officer disregarding officer safety precautions for both himself and his partner by ignoring a "clearly visible" weapon is not likely.

Picking gun fights is not what conservation officers are about. Their purpose as law enforcement officials is to encourage conservation of wildlife, protect wildlife and to have offenders in violation of wildlife laws address their offences. It was apparent to Judge Lodge, in his judgment, that CO Pogue believed Claude Dallas had been disarmed.*

"I believe that there were three guns on Dallas," stated Tim Nettleton. "Pogue checked and unloaded the one on Dallas' hip holster and the one in his shoulder. Dallas reholstered those weapons when he checked the mules after the murders. You better believe we checked out the mule area. The third revolver was hidden in the small of his back."

The two Idaho Fish and Game officers had caught Claude Dallas red-handed in possession of two illegally trapped bobcats and by his own confession, at trial, "three hundred pounds"* of deer meat from deer illegally hunted out of season.

In recreating the crime Tim Nettleton noted, "Conley Elms had entered Dallas' tent to get the bobcat hides. He had the hides in his hands and was coming out of the tent. We figure Pogue looked at the hides that Elms held, giving Dallas a chance to draw the weapon from the small of his back and start shooting at Pogue.

In the time frame of four to six seconds Claude Dallas put two bullets in Pogue and two in Elms with a .357 Ruger Service Six. Elms, not having time to get his weapon, had dropped the hides and ducked when Dallas shot him." When both officers were down and helpless, Claude Dallas walked into his tent, picked up a .22 Marlin, returned and shot both officers in the head behind the ear execution style. This is also the method a trapper uses to kill their quarry.

There was only one witness to Dallas' murderous rampage, Jim Stevens, a man who had brought the mountain man supplies and mail from Nevada. Stevens provided the best evidence of Dallas' guilt of the crime of murder in the first degree. He had asked Claude Dallas why he had killed the officers. Dallas had replied, "I swore I'd never be arrested again. They were gonna handcuff me."* He had also stated to Stevens, "This is murder one for me." Dallas said in further acknowledging he knew what he was guilty of .........murder.

However, these quotes by Stevens appeared to get lost on the jury in his subsequent testimony. It was not lost on Judge Lodge in his sentencing.

Following the murders Dallas fled to avoid prosecution. Nevada bar owner, George Nielson provided him with money and supplies. The media and songwriters had a field day glorifying his cowboy background, his "independent trapper, mountain man" image. It portrayed Dallas as living off the land in the mountains and avoiding law enforcement by sheer guile.

When speaking of Dallas' escape after the Pogue/Elms murders, Tim Nettleton says, "My personal opinion was that Claude Dallas was helped by his family all along. During his escape he went from here to South Dakota, Texas and with his brothers to California." Sheriff Nettleton brought Claude Dallas back to Idaho after his shoot-out with the FBI and capture in Nevada on April 18, 1982.

The legal and media circus began anew. Dallas's lawyers had him moved from Owyhee County Jail to Caldwell, Idaho. They had claimed Dallas would not get a "fair trial" in Owyhee County.

The trial finally began September 15, 1982. Claude Dallas pleaded not guilty to two counts of murder in the first degree. The prosecution claimed Claude Dallas was guilty of murders in the first degree due to the fact that Conley Elms was shot in the back and both officers had been shot in the head, execution style, when they were already down and helpless. His method of killing obviously did not indicate that self-defense was a motive for the crimes.

In order to obtain some of Claude Dallas' background and an idea of the evidence the prosecution had had against him for his trial, I asked Tim Nettleton if Claude Dallas had been involved in the illegal wildlife trade with George Nielson in Nevada. Nettleton laughed and said, "that wouldn't surprise me. He was shooting antelope for illegal Mexicans." Dallas had also poached wildlife in Canada. Evidence of this was collected under search warrant at his home in Paradise Hill, Nevada.

Nettleton says, " Claude and one of his brothers and Jim Nielson had been in Canada and floated the Yukon River. Dallas got out a mile and a half from the border crossing and brought his backpack and weapons (contraband in Canada) around the checkpoint while his brother and Nielsen cleared Customs. Dallas had pictures of heads and horns of sheep he had killed and brought back."

He returned to the United States with his poached sheep, avoiding U.S. Customs the same way. Claude Dallas was not unknown in Canada. At one time during his escape he was rumored to be heading to Alberta. His wanted posters were all over Canadian law enforcement offices. Conservation Officer Daniel Boyco of Alberta remembered a time when, "there wasn't a conservation officer in the province who hadn't burned his face to memory."

"I even had a statement from a rancher," said Tim Nettleton, "that Dallas had tangled with a game warden who cited him for tag trap violations. Dallas paid the fine. Then, Dallas told the rancher, that if the warden (CO Dale Elliot of Nevada) "wasn't your friend, he'd be a dead man now."

At the trial, according to Officer Loveland, "The prosecuting attorney was new. He'd never prosecuted a murder trial before." Rules of Criminal Procedure prevented the presentation of evidence of Dallas' past. The jury was not permitted to know about Dallas' previous criminal record, history of poaching, sharpshooting and quick-draw practices on targets representing humans, his anti-government sentiments, nor the many pictures of poached animals in his possession. The jury was not permitted to know anything about the dark side of Dallas until after they pronounced their verdict.

Then the prosecution could enter it into the court record before the judge delivered his sentence. Therefore, none of the evidence collected under search warrant from Dallas' residence, previous threats to wardens, game citations, previous run-ins with conservation officers, or his reading material, which was noted by CO Gary Loveland as being "Soldier of Fortune and articles about How to Shoot Someone" could be shown to the jury.

According to Gary Loveland, "the defense even claimed Claude Dallas did not have a record." His lawyers even lied to the court. But under the rules of evidence the prosecution still could not introduce his record. It was made to sound as though the murders were Dallas' first offenses.

In spite of his stated motive to avoid arrest Dallas' claimed that CO Bill Pogue had shot first. The key witness, Jim Stevens, had been terrorized by Dallas after the murders and had feared for his own life. Dallas had made him an unwilling accomplice to removing the officer's bodies from the crime scene, and Dallas had attempted to remove evidence by burning the crime scene at the camp.

During his testimony Claude Dallas had repeated several times that CO Bill Pogue had said to him, "You can go easy or you can go hard. Makes no difference to me." * Dallas asked the court to believe his interpretation of "going hard" was that CO Pogue intended to kill him! That line Dallas attributed to Bill Pogue was not one law enforcement officers who worked with CO Pogue had heard him use before, according to Gary Loveland. Its universal interpretation by officers is that Dallas could confess to his crimes - the easy way - or they could go through the process of interrogation, arrest and trial - the hard way.

Claude Dallas took the hard way. He did not want the conservation officers entering his trapping tent. It was his home, he claimed. As we have already seen, it was the location of the illegal bobcat hides. He demanded to see a search warrant for a tent he'd placed on the leased land. It was obvious Dallas did not co-operate with the conservation officers. The facts are incontrovertible. He was in violation of wildlife laws no matter how he explained his possession of the bobcat hides, taken illegally in Idaho or transported illegally from Nevada.

"He had to go to town, " stated Jerry Thiessen, "He was a non-resident caught inside the state boundary at a time before states had agreements as they do today." "Dallas was in violation of Idaho Game laws and he'd have to go to town to address it, " stated Gary Loveland. "Dallas was resisting going to town. All law enforcement uses phrases to attempt to convince an offender to try to settle down."

Another interpretation of the "You can go easy" is that the choice of how Dallas was to go to town to settle it was up to him. He could go peacefully with the officers or he could be arrested, handcuffed and taken by the officers.

Claude Dallas' testimony lost all credibility when he said he did not know where he'd buried the officer's guns. If true Dallas had destroyed evidence that could have corroborated his story by providing proof that Pogue had fired his weapon. Given his keen memory of other places and events his forgetting the burial place of such important evidence is highly suspicious.

"The trial turned into a media circus," stated Gary Loveland. Dallas' friends came forward to testify to his character. "With the media there the judge wanted to make very sure Dallas got a "fair" trial. The court allowed Bill Pogue's character to be put on trial. The judge was liberal in letting the defense introduce witnesses to supposed events that didn't happen. Although Pogue dealt with people fairly and politely anyone with an axe to grind with him showed up to testify.

The incidents testified to never happened. They just filled the court with misinformation. One witness even testified to a run in with Bill Pogue and I was the officer that person had spoken to not Pogue. Bill Pogue was an excellent officer, a very professional officer who remained so when confronting people who were in violation."

Contributing to the outside influences on the jury's decision had been Claude Dallas himself. He had arrived in court as a celebrity of sorts, a folk hero manufactured by the media. The Dallas fan club, according to Jerry Thiessen, had been at his trial. The fan club consisted of women who did not know Claude Dallas personally but were called the "Dallas Cheerleaders." Thiessen says of Dallas,

"The guy had charisma - the way he carried himself - one could almost disbelieve anything others said against him. Dallas had a psychological effect. He flirted with the jury. He flirted with his fan club. Dallas had an aura about him. He was a damned fine actor who had an excellent attorney who knew how to tilt perspective enough to bring out the heart throb reaction." He continued, "

The circumstances of the whole trial were different and cruel in that setting especially when Bill was put on trial as a bully game warden. It was all fabricated. He was always polite and to the point. He was a well-respected conservation officer and a leader. He was dedicated and never watched the clock when it came to wildlife he cared about. He drove all night when he heard about the sage grouse being poached. He was an ornithologist and drew pictures of birds. He had a kind heart and a real soft spot for children. He just wasn't prepared for.................He spent his life doing things that were important to do."

Unfortunately, CO Bill Pogue and CO Conley Elms had attempted to enforce wildlife law on a man who had no concept of conservation and appeared to think all wildlife was there for his killing. It was CO Gary Loveland's opinion that Claude Dallas was convicted on two counts of manslaughter and not murder one because, "The jury didn't do their job." This appeared to be verified by Judge Lodge.

Retired State Game Manager Jerry Thiessen concluded that the cost of two separate trials for Claude Dallas, one for each murder, had prevented the charges of murder one from being heard separately by the court. Economics had taken a toll on justice. "The way they brought the charges to court had the charges of both murders linked. In my view, there is no way that, if they'd heard two separate trials of murder one, that Conley Elms' murder would have been determined to be manslaughter. His arms were full of illegal bobcat hides. He was fired on. He was not threatening.

By virtue of hearing both charges together, both charges were reduced to manslaughter verdicts." Claude Dallas was sentenced to 30 years in the Idaho State Penitentiary. His parole is subject to the discretion of the Idaho Parole Board after he served ten years minimum for the killing of each officer. An appeal to the Supreme Court of Idaho affirmed the lower court's ruling.

When Claude Dallas escaped Idaho State Penitentiary, he again claimed law enforcement was trying to kill him, and was sent to a Kansas Corrections facility. On April 26, 2001, Claude Lafayette Dallas Jr. will have a parole hearing before the Idaho State Parole Commission. Tim Nettleton reminded me, "Parole is a priviledge based on good behavior. One has to earn the right." According to Tom Woodward's article in the Idaho Statesman, March 18, Dallas has committed, "18 disciplinary violations since 1997."

Remorse is also a condition of early release. Claude Dallas has never shown remorse for the killings of two Idaho Fish and Game officers. Public opinion runs high that Claude Dallas should not be released and that he has not served enough time on his thirty-year sentence.

As Jerry Thiessen says, "There really is no restitution for murders which makes it damned sad and a damned shame. You can't fix the injustice of murder or the mistreatment of the good names of two officers who lost their lives, who were upstanding citizens with love of family and appreciation for values and ethics which can be endorsed by all of us."

When defendants have rights over and above the rights of victims and their families there is no equality under the law.

In tribute to CO Bill Pogue and CO Conley Elms who were killed in the line of duty, January 5, 1981.

Sources: * all small quotes from court testimony noted, comes from Jack Olsen's book, "Give a Boy a Gun".

great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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Thanks JB, still never heard of the guy, sounds like a real Douch.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Hey JackRussel who the Hell is the Modena Ghost? Hunted that area a few years back and run into some real strange people.
 
Those strange folks, most of them are very strong supporters of Claude Dallas. The Modena Ghost is a spitting image of Mr. Dallas. Long live the Modena Ghost.
 
You forget all to easy, you and nevadabadger should get a room. Claude was a fruit loop and a coward, he can't be forgiven for what he done. He took two lives, then shot them behind the ear with a small bore rifle, just like a coyote. Pretty easy to look over the fence when you haven't been on the other side jackruss! If that was your family member buried along an old fence line you would think different. And you call him Mr. Dallas, like the piece of $hit deserves respect.
 
Thats funny stuff about the modena ghost. Montgomery Gentry and I say the same thing...My Judge is going to judge all of us some day.....It will be interesting to see what really happened in that situation with Claude and the Cops. Someday we will all be sitting up in heaven watching the Eternal big screen and it will all play out and we will really know what went on that day.
 
He went through the judicial system, and justice was served. I believe they harrassed Mr. Dallas and pushed him to his limit. Every man has his boiling point. Do I agree with what he did, no. However he paid his debt to society, he should be allowed to live out the rest of his life in peace. I believe his life has made a difference in this world. This world is a better place because of Mr. Dallas. I believe many wardens have claude in the back of their minds, and that is a good thing. They use this as a tool in their trade, as to how to approach someone in the wilds, and how not to. Those 2 wardens did not die in vain. Their actions are what made Claude Dallas a legend.
 
Well, after watching this thread take on new character, I have a few ideas founder may want to take on for new forums. I did not think the support existed for these ideas before. I have been proven wrong.

Honoring Serial Killers of Today and Yesterday.

Bag Limits. We don't need no stinkin' bag limits.

Sadistic animal torture...101 new uses of the 2x4 to help manage your anger.

Poaching....Is it reallly a crime?

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Being somewhat familiar with the subject I am amused that anyone can believe as JR does. First off,justice was NOT served. The county prosecuter had both limited funds and knowledge. Voluntary manslaughter for cold blooded murder is not justice. The lawmen did not push Dallas. To the contrary,he pushed them to the point they had to stop him.
How can any prudent person actually believe the world is a better place because of Dallas. Connley Elms was a great man with a great family who suffered tremendesly because of Dallas. Conley contributed to society on a daily basis. Those two men DID in fact die in vain. Dallas is a legend alright,just like OJ.
 
OJ went through the justice system too, I think everyone should leave him alone. The world is a better place with OJ in it. OJs made a difference too, now when women start to get lippy and back talk their men, they'll have OJ on the back of their minds.

Dallas is a puss. After the murders, he told everyone that "he would not be taken a live". Then when the cops got him surrounded, he gave up like the coward that he is. I wish he would of fought to the end, then we wouldn't be having this discussion about the worthless POS.
 
Come on fellas. Dallas and OJ were both tried in the judicial system. One was convicted and the other was not. We live in the USA, not China for crying out loud. You cannot want to have the freedoms that we have including but not limited to the right to keep and bear arms, without honoring our justice system, just because the verdict and or the sentencing is not what YOU think it should have been. It is hypocricy that is coming off of the ends of your tounges. I am not condoning what either of them did or did not do, or the manner in which it was done. Bottom line is that Mr. Dallas did do his time and pay his debt to society. The judge is who decided what that debt would be. Whether it was in a poor hick county that did not have sufficient funds (as you claim), to properly prossecute him. This is the home of the free and the land of the brave, and you must take the good with the bad. That is what makes America.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-09 AT 02:34PM (MST)[p]He was and is a pile of crap that has no respect for life! Carma is a *********. He may of got off easy in this life but the next life he will pay!
 
If you believe in carma, you better be careful what you think. He got what he had coming here on earth. If the one upstairs feels there is more to administer, then that will happen. He has paid his dues here, the rest is between Mr. Dallas and his god.
 
Both are convicted felons. Convicted felons whether on or off parole, lose certain rights up to and including voting, employment opportunnities, gun ownership, ability to hold public office, and exemption for public opinion.

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LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-09 AT 03:13PM (MST)[p]a few months back claude was sighted in nevada between austin and battle mountian. he was pulled over and checked out by a winnemucca district blm ranger. it was a routine stop.

claude served his time and payed his debt to society. merrel haggard also payed his debt as he often sings about. yes a black mark will follow him everywhere but none the less he has payed his debt.
 
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say Jackrussel is a lawyer, cause that is some major swiss-cheese logic, full of holes and it stinks.
 
United States of America guarantees one will always have an opponion. Right wrong or indifferent. Some rights you lose upon conviction, some rights you never lose. God Bless the USA.
 
Are you that dumb! I would say killing two people is a little more serious than robbery.
 
Crime is crime. You are saying he robbed the wardens of their lives. The courts felt differently. Death of another person in self defense is not murder. Claudes only mistake was shooting the men behind the ear. Had he not done that, I would care to guess that he would have gotton off. You people cannot have it both ways.
 
>a few months back claude was
>sighted in nevada between austin
>and battle mountian. he was
>pulled over and checked out
>by a winnemucca district blm
>ranger. it was a routine
>stop.
>
>claude served his time and payed
>his debt to society. merrel
>haggard also payed his debt
>for murder as he often
>sings about. yes a black
>mark will follow him everywhere
>but none the less he
>has payed his debt.


WTF are you drinking kid??...Merle Haggard was a robber, not a murderer.....




great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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Not a laywer, just a man that believes in the USA and its principles. Long live Claude Dallas
 
Crime is crime...hahahahaha good one hahahahaha. Anyone who has driven on expired reg. is par with a homocidal maniac as per jackie. Thanks for clearing that up. Jackie just exposed his true identity better than I could have.


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LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-09 AT 03:58PM (MST)[p]It was not HOMICIDE. Get it through your thick skulls. There is a difference. We are not talking about someone like Charles Manson or Richard Ramirez. He was a man who was pushed to his limit, then he was forced to make a descison. And for that he has to live with the rest of his life. God bless Mr. Dallas.
 
By definition it was homocide. By legal definition it was two counts of manslaughter. By your definition crime is crime so it was the same as homocide, or dog at large, or reckless burning. They are all the same so why are you so worked up about it.

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Why does this site attract morons?


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Mike Sucks.

"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
I rest my case!

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Mike Sucks.

"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-09 AT 04:23PM (MST)[p]Why is it not surprising that jackrussel, nevadakid and NevadaBadger think Claude Dallas is an OK guy?
 
You need to drain some water off of that head of yours. He paid his debt to society. PERIOD.
 
I did not say he was an ok guy. I said he has paid his debt, that the judge said was owed. It is a few water heads on here that are making more of what it is.
 
Jack


"It was not HOMICIDE. Get it through your thick skulls. There is a difference. We are not talking about someone like Charles Manson or Richard Ramirez. He was a man who was pushed to his limit, then he was forced to make a descison. And for that he has to live with the rest of his life. God bless Mr. Dallas."


Tell us if you were in favor of Dallas putting the finishing 22 slug behind the ear of both officers?
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-09 AT 04:33PM (MST)[p]If you would read what I said in an earlier post,(#50) that is where he made his mistake. If not for the bullet behind the ear of the wardens, I believe he would have not been convicted.
 
scroll up and look at the original post.....i think he's in wyoming working as a roughneck....or a man whore in nevada. could be wrong. just my guess:)
 
CD killed two men over a freakin' fish and game violation! That makes him a psycho POS! He is and always will be!

I'm amazed that he isn't buried somewhere. He should be.

Eel
 
Could have been self defense. Could have been cold blooded murder. Could have been anything you want to call it. It was a killing none the less. He paid the price, let it go.
 
Reading this thread I have seen it posted several times that Claude Dallas was pushed too far or too his limit ? I'm having a real problem with that . He was engaged in a regulated activity , in this case trapping . The game wardens in question had been performing their jobs by checking on a possible violation . From reading some the posts I'm guessing some people think Dallas didn't have to obey the laws that normal people have to live by . That also upsets me because I look at a poacher like Dallas as theif who is taking game away from me and other sportsman who obey the law .
So I'm just trying to grasp the logic on being pushed too far . If all my neighbors are paying for their water or power , and I can get services with out having to pay for it illegally , does a guy have a right to get upset or feel he is being pushed too far when the authoritys start investigating or questioning why a person is stealing ? I guess by the same logic a guy could get upset that the postal carrier keeps bringing bills to the mail box , Why oh why does the postman keep picking on me ?
I also don't feel that justice was served in this case . I can only hope that Dallas suffered in prison , which I suspect he did based on the evidence that he appears to be a whinning punk . I guess the suffering would continue today since he was supposed to be such a big outdoors , wanna be cowboy , hunter , gun nut , and now he can't have any guns . Hopefully he will continue his old ways , and run in to a new breed of fish and game officer who will be better trained to handle him .
Sorry for the rant , but this thread was really bugging me .
 
I let it go a long time ago. It might have been self defense. OJ might have killed in self defense too.
 
The tougher than nails outdoors survivalist was arrested after his big escape buying twinkies and 7up at a 7/11 in southern california....LOL...


great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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Truth hurts eh? Claude is a free man period. whether you like it or not, once again this is the united states of america. He may have been poaching, if you were poaching and approached by wardens or who ever and you felt like your life was in danger, would you shoot or rollover and hope your life was spared. I think the latter.
 
I think if the 2 CO's were threatning his life that day he would have been the one that died that day.
CD should have stayed in Ohio.
 
I guess all could of been avoided if only he would have followed one golden line of legal advise. STOP BREAKING THE LAW. Pull a gun next time you are stopped there in Nevada and watch what happens. Best of luck to you, and if you survive, best of luck with your 'fear for my life' defense.

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jackrussel , it sounds like you advocate shooting it out with the cops if a person is caught doing some thing wrong , like POACHING ( ITS AGAINST THE LAW .) Your thought process is scary .
 
>I let it go a long
>time ago. It might have
>been self defense. OJ might
>have killed in self defense
>too.


OJ's exwife was pretty tough and he felt threatened by her.
 
....long live Clod and the Modena ghost !!!!.....

great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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I have never said that I thought what he did was right. The point you are all missing is that he has paid is debt. That is all, nothing more or nothing less. I am always on the side of the law, no matter what. Even if I disagree with how things play out in the courts. That is what our country is based on. I may not always agree with the outcome, but one has to respect it.
 
If that be the case jackrussel, why the hostility toward CO's? This thread and the one on the two bucks hit by a truck show a lot of anger/contempt for those trying to enforce the law, and a strange loyality toward those willing to break the law. I spend an awful lot of time in the hills every year and I ahve yet to be harassed by any conservation officers. I wonder if it has anything to do with adhering to the local laws?

PRO

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I as well have never been harrassed by CO's. The case of the 2 deer hit turned out to be a big fiasco. I could see both sides of the issue, however as I stated earlier I am always on the side of the law. I never could figure out how NDOW could even get involved on the 2 dead deer, seeing that the pic was in Utah. But that was put to bed months ago. Some CO's are knuckleheads and behave as such. It is those types that I refereed about in those posts. Over all most CO's are indeed good people and are only doing their jobs. A job that definately needs to be done. Without them we could not hunt, fish and enjoy the outdoor sports that we do.
 
Yet you continue to portray Claude as a victim, and that he was forced to defend himself because he was pushed into it. You have lost all credibilty on the matter due to REPEATED comments along those lines.

PRO

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I said he may have been a victim, I dont know. I was not in court during the procedings. It is however obvious that the judge must have seen something along these lines to only get him on manslaughter and not murder. Maybe he was pushed, I dont know. He did his time and now is a free man. If this was the republic of china, he most likley would have been executed years ago when it happened. This is the american way. I dont feel I lose any crediablity among any posts, but if you say so I respect your view on that, after all this is america and all is entiltled to their opponion. Thanks
 
RE: Claude Dallas and 15" bases

Thank you for your opponion, it is respected here. Your thoughts would be played out if we were in China, however we are in the United States of America, and thank god we are.
 
Part of the problem with America today is being to soft on criminals, and when a man kills TWO law enforcement officers and puts a bullet behing the ear, the POS should be executed swiftly for true justice and to protect the rest of Americans. If we keep being soft on stuff like this it takes away from all, even the law abiding citizens. The judge may have let him off easy, but the 'court of public opinion' is not so forgiving in this case. A society that struggles to uphold/enforce the laws wil struggle to remain free and prosperous. Murderers and pedophiles have been treated way to lax IMHO. That is why we see more pedophiles and cop killers. You reap what you sow.

PRO

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I could not agree more with what you said. However for whatever reason he was not convicted of murder and thus sentenced to what he has served. We as americans must respect our judicial system or we soon become on the other side of the law.
 
>Part of the problem with America
>today is being to soft
>on criminals, and when a
>man kills TWO law enforcement
>officers and puts a bullet
>behing the ear, the POS
>should be executed swiftly for
>true justice and to protect
>the rest of Americans. If
>we keep being soft on
>stuff like this it takes
>away from all, even the
>law abiding citizens. The judge
>may have let him off
>easy, but the 'court of
>public opinion' is not so
>forgiving in this case. A
>society that struggles to uphold/enforce
>the laws wil struggle to
>remain free and prosperous. Murderers
>and pedophiles have been treated
>way to lax IMHO. That
>is why we see more
>pedophiles and cop killers. You
>reap what you sow.
>
>PRO
>
>www.oddiction.com

The number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty has declined since the early 1970's

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/leok.htm
 

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