Guerrero126
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I disagree. As someone who first started hunting AZ elk in 1983, I say the herd was at is all time highest from about 1993 to 2007. Been a steady decline ever since from what I have seen. They issue too many cow tags as far as I am concerned. Stop killing so many of the baby makers and you will see and increase in cows and bulls. The camera ban may have an impact but minimal at best.There are more elk spread over a wider range in AZ than there ever has been before. What exactly is the problem?
1280 bull tags in 22 north. Been doing that for a lot of years.Wait till they do that to the units you hunt.There are more elk spread over a wider range in AZ than there ever has been before. What exactly is the problem?
The problem is the amount of tags being issued, why not give residents a chance to kill the bulls of the same quality compared to 30 years ago. 30 years ago there were 200 tags in unit 8 “for example” I’m not saying Arizona has a poor elk hunting. Arizona probably has the best Bull Elk hunting, what I’m trying to say, why not limit the tags being issued so we Arizona can once again produce quality bull elk. Typically on an average northern Arizona Bull Hunt, you have more traffic on forest roads then you do the interstate. Also it is impossible to be in any remote country in any unit without running into multiple hunters. The experience has been diluted. Reason be, there are to many people, vehicles, campsites, and killing off younger bulls. Never allowing bulls to grow into maturity.There are more elk spread over a wider range in AZ than there ever has been before. What exactly is the problem?
Agreed, besides limiting the cow Elk. Limiting the Bull Elk tags would help tremendously. There are way to many people in the woods,I disagree. As someone who first started hunting AZ elk in 1983, I say the herd was at is all time highest from about 1993 to 2007. Been a steady decline ever since from what I have seen. They issue too many cow tags as far as I am concerned. Stop killing so many of the baby makers and you will see and increase in cows and bulls. The camera ban may have an impact but minimal at best.
This is a double edge sword.. The same people bitching about there are too many elk tags now were the same people 10 years ago bitching that they can never get a tag!!! We can't have it both ways.. We can limit the tag numbers and also get drawn every year. What would you rather do? Get drawn more often and be able to enjoy the hunt or not get drawn as often and maybe get a chance to kill a bigger one? The last time this subject was brought up the majority of the public wanted more opportunity vs quality. IAs a Hunting Community, we need to all come together and make a change. We need to limit the amount of tags being issued but raise the price per each tag so the AZGFD can make the same revenue. For example Unit 8 used to produce some of the greatest quality elk there was known to man. Back in 90's when only 200 tags were being issued. Please sign the petition above if y’all agree, we need to return Arizona back to its original roots.
agreed, please sign petition above to reduce the amount of tags being issued.I THINK THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY TAGS BEING ISSUED IN AT LEAST 15 DIFFERENT UNITS, KEEPING QUALITY DOWN...............YD.
We understand that a-lot of people want quantity versus quality. Us Hunters who have been hunting for several decades have gotten the quantity part out of our system. We dont have the want/need to kill Elk every year. We want to get drawn and be able to work towards a great Bull Elk. We've been there done that and we cant necessarily go back for more, whats there thats worth going back besides young non matured bulls that are being killed every day during the hunt.This is a double edge sword.. The same people bitching about there are too many elk tags now were the same people 10 years ago bitching that they can never get a tag!!! We can't have it both ways.. We can limit the tag numbers and also get drawn every year. What would you rather do? Get drawn more often and be able to enjoy the hunt or not get drawn as often and maybe get a chance to kill a bigger one? The last time this subject was brought up the majority of the public wanted more opportunity vs quality. I
Its not only 5B North, its every unit in Arizona. We need to cut them down ASAP, the herd is decreasing dramatically. Its also decreasing in quality.I would appreciate tag numbers cut. It's getting ridiculous
2021:
5BN 24 early rifle tags
5B 639 late rifle tags
5BN 193 rifle cow tags oct
5BS 273 rifle cow tags oct
5BN 7 Hopi Cow tags
5BS & 6A 500 youth rifle cow tags
5BN 50 cow tags, limited app area
5BN 144 Archery bull rut
5BS. 200 Archery bull rut
5BN 6 Hopi Archery bull tags
5BN 29 late archery bull tags
5BS 30 late archery bull tags
5BN 1 Hopi late archery bull tag
5BN 24 archery cow tags rut
5BS 50 archery cow tags rut
5BN 1 Hopi archery cow rut
Thank youGuarantee 20% of whatever number you come up with to NR, and I'll sign in a heartbeat!!
What about the hunters who have been elk hunting once? My little brother has killed 1 cow. He will have to wait 3-4 years at least to be guaranteed another cow tag at this current rate. I personally have killed a lot of elk, and am okay with not hunting as often. But how will hunting continue if these young kids hunt elk 2-3 times in there life? They need quantity, not necessarily quality, to get hooked. I believe in order to keep the sport alive, you may have to forgo quality in order to give the new generation quantity.We understand that a-lot of people want quantity versus quality. Us Hunters who have been hunting for several decades have gotten the quantity part out of our system. We dont have the want/need to kill Elk every year. We want to get drawn and be able to work towards a great Bull Elk. We've been there done that and we cant necessarily go back for more, whats there thats worth going back besides young non matured bulls that are being killed every day during the hunt.
Cow hunts are much different than Bull hunts in my opinion. Bull elk are sought after by many. Killing a Bull elk shouldn't feel anything like killing a cow. Anyways, I think we should cut down the amount of tags in every unit for the well being of the herd.What about the hunters who have been elk hunting once? My little brother has killed 1 cow. He will have to wait 3-4 years at least to be guaranteed another cow tag at this current rate. I personally have killed a lot of elk, and am okay with not hunting as often. But how will hunting continue if these young kids hunt elk 2-3 times in there life? They need quantity, not necessarily quality, to get hooked. I believe in order to keep the sport alive, you may have to forgo quality in order to give the new generation quantity.
I think AZ has a decent plan. For example, 6A, 8 gives out tags for quantity. 9 and 10 give out tags for quality. I’ve seen 3 giants in the past 2 years in AZ. The quality is still here.
I had the exact thing happen to me on an archery hunt in Unit 7W. Only it was way back in the 1990s, and if I recall, there was only about 150 permits for that hunt. I guess the other guy didn't realize it was MY bull.I had drawn with a buddy, and he and I snuck up on a herd with a good bull. The elk were slowly feeding towards us so we stayed put when suddenly the herd lifted their heads and looked our direction and took off. He and I looked at each other like "WTH"? I looked 15 yards behind him and a guy was sneaking on the same elk. I won't put in for that unit as it is not any better than many of the OTC elk hunting here in Idaho, and certainly less expensive for me. I believe the truth is typically in the middle and a little reduction in tags could go a long way.
Reduction of tags in any unit would help tremendouslyI shot a bull in 1999 in 6A, AZ that was traveling single file with about 75 mature bulls, that were all following a massive herd of cows, spikes and raghorns. It took me 10 minutes to get to the herd, the whole while I watched that line up walk through the trees. When I finally made it within range, the last 15 or so were passing by me at 30 yards. I shot what looked like a big bull (and it was) and still had 8 or so bulls (all big) pass by me AFTER shooting it. It was AMAZING. Back then, I believe there were 325 tags given for the entire unit during archery. It still was the most amazing day of elk hunting I probably have ever had. Conversely, in 2014 I believe there were 1200 hunters on the same hunt. I had drawn with a buddy, and he and I snuck up on a herd with a good bull. The elk were slowly feeding towards us so we stayed put when suddenly the herd lifted their heads and looked our direction and took off. He and I looked at each other like "WTH"? I looked 15 yards behind him and a guy was sneaking on the same elk. I won't put in for that unit as it is not any better than many of the OTC elk hunting here in Idaho, and certainly less expensive for me. I believe the truth is typically in the middle and a little reduction in tags could go a long way.
I don't think there is even1280 bulls in 22 N. They are Selling tags for elk that isn't even around.1280 bull tags in 22 north. Been doing that for a lot of years.Wait till they do that to the units you hunt.
You're not serious, right?I don't think there is even1280 bulls in 22 N. They are Selling tags for elk that isn't even around.
The success rates for bulls in those two hunts for 2005 were 69% (67 of 100) and 54 % (65 of 130). In 2019, they were 36% (151 of 475) & 33% (124 of 400), which are within the targeted success rates. In between those two years, they kept adding more permits each season, thus lowering the success rates until they reached the targeted rates. By doing that, they provided more opportunity, yet still killed double the number of bulls.Yes but it is now a very low % hunt. The 2 late hunts have like 800 tags together and they run back to back it's a bad idea when there isn't any snow to drive them down to lower country.
The previous year the total was 255 out of 850 permits issued. The success rates were 33% & 31%.2019 was a really great year. Had alot of snow for the late hunts
I do believe,
What does that matter?What's the count of RESIDENT BULLS that is what I said.
not bulls that show up after the rut and snowfall that come from other units THAT are counted as bulls in that unit above the rim.
I'm saying THAT there isn't that many RESIDENT bulls in 22N year around so those bulls that move in are they counted twice????
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