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but why is it the New Mexico forum doesn't get too much attention until the draw? Then it comes alive when the draw is over with people asking about the units that they drew? Why do people put in for units that they have no idea about and then ask questions? If it was me I would scout the area and find out everything for myself. Why depend on other people?? I guess I'm still frustrated from not drawing anything, but it irritates me.
 
I completely understand. I posted a question about my home unit, but was pretty pissed myself when someone not only asked about coues in Unit 24, but then had the audacity to ask if it was "worth a 14 hour drive"!

Frankly, this is exactly why I think we should go to the mail a check and wait vs. the current $8 and decide if your drawn tag is worth the effort.

I drew a priceless elk tag and my dad was blessed with a NR Deer tag here in Unit 34. I sure would like to have one of the tags that someone bails on because it was not what they wanted...

Not trying to be rude, either, but my rhinking is don't put in if you don't know for certain you will even hunt the tag...

DC
 
I understand what you both are saying. I am one of the individuals that asked for advice. On the other hand, I am in unit 34 as much as possible scouting, hiking, looking for sheds, hunting or just trying to get in shape for the season. That doesn't mean I know everything about the unit or where to concentrate scouting trips. I ask because I am curious. Look at the bright side, I bet the people that care enough to ask are not going to be riding the roads trying to shoot something. If someone wants advice they probably are going to work for what the get.
 
I drew for deer and probably will not scout. I don't have time though I only live 3 1/2 hours from my unit. I will show up and hope for the best. It has been 15 years since I last hunted there. Any advice I get between now and then will be appreciated, but not expected.

As for people not hunting their tags, I love it. It makes for fewer hunters to compete with and fewer deer killed.
 
It seems like you would know about the unit or even scout it before spending money on the tag. But then again probably not, just follow everyone else around. For me, scouting never stops, I apply where and what I know
Travis
www.southwesthuntingadventures.com
 
How are you going to learn about a unit if you don't ask?

Eastmans MRS section does nothing but identify a decent unit.
Calling the units game officer gets you the boilerplate answers.
Topos and photos get you areas of interest but there are a lot of square miles with absolutely no Elk or Deer.

There is no substite for boots on the ground during the time of your hunt. Most NR hunt for a single week. Unless you're awful lucky, the first year in a new unit is basically a scouting trip. I believe Eastmans philosophy, pick a unit and stick with it.
A few questions and answers to get a guy into a portion of a unit that "at the least" has some animals isn't really too much to ask.

I live a 28 hr. drive from 34. It's kind of hard to get down there.

I do understand your frustration. Every year a new crop of tag holders ask the same questions. Pretty soon "everybody" is hunting the same "secret" spot.

Bob
 
Yeah that is a long way. I only live 12 hrs away. Still make trips with my family to look for sheds, fish or to scout though. While other people go to Mexico, Hawiai(I can't even spell it!) or Disney land I save to go scout!
Travis www.southwesthuntingadventures.com
 
Clarification

All,
I guess I kinda hijacked the thread. As for the original topic, I am one of those asking. I spend as much time in my hunt area as possible, but I know I don't know it as well as people like Cookie2 and NMPaul. My granddad always taught me to seek as much knowledge from others as possible and then build my own.

DC
 
>It seems like you would know
>about the unit or even
>scout it before spending money
>on the tag.

We would all love to have the time to do that, but we don't. Spending the money and going in blind is still better than not hunting.
 
Read my last post on this thread. I have never held back from helping anyone. Some of you reading this know that. But when people just count on everyone else to make THEIR hunt for them, that is ridiculas to me. They could hire an outfitter or do the work also. Don't get me wrong, if I drew a Utah tag I would not know where to start, but I would scout ALL the unit instead of giving up! But that is why I apply in my homestate of AZ and apply and scout in NM as well.
 
I find this to be pretty frustrating too. If someone wants the inside info on these prime areas then they should pay a guide. This way they get all the info they desire and leave the tags for people that have an idea where they are hunting. No matter which site you go to its the same old questions of where to hunt or need help. One way to stop the questions is to not help in the first place. It may sound rude but it may be the best way to stop this stuff from happening. Another thing that bugs me is the people who waste the tags they get by not even going. I understand emergencies happen and those are excused. But the ones who say they can't afford the gas should not have applied in the first place.
 
yeah it ticks me off too..i shoot my bow everyday and scout all summer when i can... but i hate when i see some guy put in and draw a hunt in the 16's or something like that and wait a week before the hunt and go down to sportsmans and ask them to set him up a bow to kill an elk..i think thats bullshit..and this goes on every year..and i still dont draw a tag..oh well..
 
I think some people are really just mad they didn't draw any tags. We need a support group for people that didn't draw tags. I'll go to the meetings cause I didn't draw anything either.
 
PA,
I went through this at work on draw day, as I was the only one who drew for squat. That being said, I was the grumpy SOB the last three years when all of my friends drew Oryx tags and I did not.

On a thread related note...
The pnes who really piss me off are those who put in for WSMR badge hunts knowing they have no access to a badge and then ask me (never drawn, but have a badge) to escort them...

DC
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-08 AT 00:31AM (MST)[p]how funny some of you are saying if somebody doesn't know an area, doesn't have the time to scout, can't put in the time some others obviously have the luxury of that they should not apply...get over yourselves...if you choose to not help somebody so be it, but have you never asked for help for anything before...if so you are a hypocrite, if not well congrats you were a born einstein...learning begins with asking questions...hunting is hunting, if i only can make it to the field one day then i'm applying so i can enjoy that one day, if i go for a week even better, if you can go for a month hallelujah to you my friend...if i have info on an area i will point somebody in the general direction so they don't waste their time in a barren area...i will not give honey holes but i will help out...if i run into a hunter that needs help taking an animal out i will help whether or not that person was prepared to get it out...i too am a person that asked for help, amu 20, it was not my first choice but guess what, i want to hunt pronghorns and hunt them i will now, that is my reason for applying in a unit i dont know...you know, hunting isn't always about killing an animal, i tend to enjoy hunting a new area, learning about it, the scenery and hopefully punching my tag, to me it's all about having fun and getting away from the hustle and chaos of city life whether it's only for 1 day a year or 2 weeks, the point is i have fun and enjoy it, it refreshes me...to help someone have a more enjoyable trip/hunt is quite satisfying and they are successful, you know you played a small part in that...to all of you hunting new units, enjoy it and have a safe, pleasant and hopefully successful hunt!!!

ps...i am on these boards regularly as well as others whether i post or not
 
I think that we should give "some" info on the hunting area in question. I talked to a number of people this last yeat about unit 32. I do all of my scouting and love going and finding new locations. But I do agree with you guys on the boot time.We Need to find away to help our fellow hunter and not get him or her pissed about hunting New Mexico.
 
Mossback I can understand what your saying but, I think your wrong.

In the past I have tried to help anyone that has asked for it. Almost every time i have no regrets. I have made friends that keep in contact with me the rest of the year and have the satisfaction of promoting the sport. This year, I helped 5 different local kids apply for hunts and so far 2 of them drew awesome tags. I am going to hunt those kids like it was my tag. It is a whole different level of satisfaction.
I enjoy hunting even if it is going with someone else.

This topic comes up from time to time and the best answer is help if you want and dont help if you dont want to.
 
All,
I think it all boils down to loving what we do. You will not find a better group of helpful people than sportsmen. Bottom line is that some people are not able to be here to scout and others (me) don't want to pass up the wealth of knowledge that is to be tapped on the NM forum.

I'm just glad that there are people out there like Paul who are trying to embed the love of hunting in our youth. I can't wait to take my kids to my cabin (yes, I mention it in every post) for their first hunt. In fact, my buddy John and I prayed over the land the day we bought it and asked God to bless it as a place of healing and relaxation for our families and asked that it always be the place where our children maintain our hunting way of life.

Not to be too long winded, but growing up overseas did not afford me with the youth my parents wanted, but New Mexico has afforded me the opportunity to catch up and will, Lord willing, allow me to instill the life in my kids...

DC
 
I never once said don't apply. Just spend some time yourself to get to know the unit, not ask because you don't want to put in the work it takes. And as for taking kids, that is perfectly fine, I'm talking about the people who are old enough to do what it takes to find the spots that hold animals. If you are an even decent hunter, that is not too hard.
 
Mossback- I am a person that applys in several states in the west, and yes I have never stepped foot on some of units that I apply for. With the gas prices the way they are as well as only having a limited amount of vacation time the best I can do is head down to a unit a few days early to look around. That is why I will ask for help on units such as 16 Jan. archery (which I have been to, just not in Jan.)or the Valle Caldera. Look no one is looking for anyones hard earned "Hot Spots", just a little general advice to point them in the right direction. If you ever need any help with Blacktail hunting here in California or any other units that I have hunted over the years I would be glad to help. Hopefully I can look forward to some of your posts in the near future in which you are helping others!

Thanks, CABugle
 
All the grips N moans posted here I can agree with...to a very small extent. I myself was lucky enough to draw 16B Elk, a unit I knew I wanted but nothing else....never been there! I am a new resident to NM (Thanx to Unlce Sam)and had limited resources (this forum and draw/success odds) to base my choices on. I also have limited time (also thanx to Uncle Sam) though I will invest what time/money I can afford into scouting this famous area over the course of the summer/early fall. I do not feel I am putting anyone out or acting "lazzy" by asking for some local advice or any other form of direction. I have spent alot of time in this forum but have seldom posted, instead absorbing the info already within. I consider myself blessed to have drawn so well my first attempt and have no desire to waste my first chance at big game in 8 years. When I say chance, I mean chance...not choice! You will not find me at the sporting goods store asking to get "equiped", I have all I need already. I am no professional. I am no rookie either.

All that being said, I am asking for a little help in narrowing down the areas I might want to focus what little scouting time I will have. If you feel I am unworthy or somehow not a "Real" hunter, then reserve your assistance for someone who meets your ultra strict criteria. Either way, I will be doing all I can to increase the chances of a successful, and more importantly memoriable hunt.

Also, if anyone can help me out with Unit 23 Deer (not Mtn Range), God Bless ya!

My two cents
 
Yep, what CABugle said. I am in the same situation and will not stop applying and hunting and spending LOTS of money in small hunting town communities just because I can't scout them all summer. I will help those in the areas I do know and do appreciate it when a person points me in the right direction.

This "I don't mean to be rude" crap happens every year and I see a trend. Some who don't draw every tag they desire react with anger to those more fortunate. If you play this game you will get your tags some years and get skunked every now and then, its part of the game. Nobody makes you play.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-08 AT 11:40AM (MST)[p] A few good points made about the subject, here's my 2 cents... I was a NR fortunate enough to draw an elk tag this year and also one of the people to post on the forum about the subject. This'll only be my 2nd hunting season out west and I really feel indifferent as to whether or not people want to volunteer any info or if they don't. It's their choice. This being only my 2nd season I'm limited in any information I can give but for later on down the road I'm always willing to share my experiences with areas that I've been to.
An example is of last years moose hunt. I met a guy who uses this site occasionally who helped me, way more than he needed to, to harvest my 1st moose, and I've been chatting to someone this year who drew the same unit, and so on and so forth... I also volunteered to help someone else on this site on his moose hunt here in UT, even though I've never been to the unit, just to get some more experience under the belt, learn a new area, and just because I love to hunt.
I always think twice about posting things on this website as lately it seems to get a little too volatile around here for my liking. Like many others here I'll still be looking at maps of the area and contacting the local biologists and such to get as much info as I can before the hunt but the only person I'm counting on to make the hunt is me. I still post here to see what people think and maybe to make some new acquaintances. I also apply for several different areas to hunt each year like many others because of the chances of drawing anything here in UT.
I always thought the idea of a forum was to talk, exchange ideas, meet new people, etc... must have been mistaken.

P.S. Thanks to those of you kind enough to give me info on the unit!

BTW, If you don't mean to be rude, what do you mean to be?
 
There is nothing wrong in asking for help! As long as you are not trying to take advantage or steal someone's honey hole.Just a place to start your scouting. I have ask for info and recieved help(Thanks Flores425)He gave me just a main rd to start and that was fine.It's been getting harder and harder to get a tag and well i have to start putting for the less demanding Units and the price I have to pay is getting to know the Unit. And to get to no the unit you have to start some where and the first place will be to ask for help!Everyone has the right to refuse to give info. But remember there might be a time that you need help!So if I can help someone out I will.(Carma)
~Coolarrow!
 
Karma guys, karma. Sure it sounds cheesy but it all comes back around in the end. When I first showed up to NM I landed a LO tag in the Gila through a family friend and showed up on the ranch the night before the season, not knowing anything about the unit or hunt and surprised the hell out of the ranch manager and his family (who are the only people who had been allowed to hunt the ranch for years). Imagine their disgust at opening the door right at dark and seeing me still dressed in business clothes and tie as I had driven straight to the ranch after getting out of work and meakly stating that I was there to hunt. (they now tell me they were pretty sick at the thought of having to share the fruit of all their hard scouting and ranch work with the landowner's son's buddy who had just walked into the tag and their hunt). I know I would have been pretty pissed...

They were kind enough to line me out on a map somewhere that I would be out of their way but would find elk and the next morning I dropped a nice fat-bodied bull. Turns out I was the only one to have seen an elk that morning and when I showed up with bloody hands I could tell that they were even more sick...Instead of leaving I stayed, fixed some fence, patrolled the fencelines(actually busting 4 guys who had poached a big 6x6 bull), and helped pack out their elk until the hunt ended. Thanks to their tolerance and help I have since learned the country, made some great hunting buddies, and they are now privy to all of my "spots" for other species. We have now helped each other harvest some big bulls over the past couple of years and look forward to continuing to do so.

I appreciate all the help I can get and try to do my best without giving up other's honey holes whenever I can. It's rewarding when I can help other's score on their hunts and I swear that a little bit of direction and karma can go a long way...
 
I agree there is nothing wrong with asking for help. I have asked for help and on quite a few occasions give it to others. If you don't want to "help" don't, but don't knock a guy because he is asking for a few tips. As far as everyone jumping in after the draw on this website I think that is great. People are just excited to have drawn. Let me just say if any of you need help and I have some knowledge of an area I will give you a hand in the hopes you can do the same for me in the future. Don't hesitate to ask!! As far as not scouting a lot of people can't scout as much as they want to. You add up the time and (gas) money and you are in a world of hurt really fast. Again if ANY of you need a little help and I can, I will at least point you in the right direction.
 
Its more of the people that ask if its worth the drive and money than anything. And its not just because I didn't draw anything, trust me, I'm used to that. Why put in for something if you don't fully plan to hunt it? Why waste someone else's opporotunity? I have helped people in the past and will help people in the future, its just some of these post got to me. Asking if they should even go? Why put in, o ya, its because New Mexico is stupid and only charges $8 to put in for deer. Then you buy the license IF you decide to go.
 
I can see where you're coming from with that point about not even planning on hunting and asking if it's worth it when you get the tag. I kind of hope most of the states don't go to the tags fees up front though unless it can be put on the credit card because that would really cut down on the number of places I could apply for. Every year finds me wishing I could apply for points for Colorado sheep, goat, and moose but I'll never get the money saved up being in the military.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-08 AT 04:24PM (MST)[p]Mossback, I do hear ya' man, you've got a good point and that is frustrating to hear. Just about nothing worse than not getting to hunt and then watching someone who drew burn a tag...But, given how weak our deer herds are and the fact that most of us can barely afford to fill our tanks just to get to and from work, I might be able to justify where the guy is coming from (I wouldn't if it was for the purpose of finding out whether it was a trophy hunt or not). While some of us would do whatever we could to make our hunt happen even if there wasn't a single deer in the unit, there are those of us who might forgo a hunt when faced with the economics of the situation. Personally, I'd push my truck to my unit if I had to make it to a hunt. I do agree with you that I would not ever put in for a tag that I was not willing to use, especially knowing how hard it is getting to even hunt here in NM. And, you are right, I think a lot less people would apply for tags here if the F&G required the deposit, but not many people here in NM can afford to put up money like that, and lord knows our rural economies need as much money from in and out-of-state hunters that do go on their hunts as they can get. But regardless, I'm with you, it kills me to see a tag not being used for good reason.
-Cody
 
When people just pick a hunt like a number out of a hat that is what irrataes me. It is one thing to know about a unit and then ask for a little help and getting a tag in a unit where they don't even know where it is and asking is it worth it! People should do their own homework before getting a tag and qualifing that tag.
Travis
www.southwesthuntingadventures.com
 
The one's who don't ask questions are the one's who bother me. I think it's a hunter's obligation to do everything he can to research a unit especially after the tag is drawn. Call the biologist, topo maps, web searches aaaaand forum posts. All part of the plan. I've always received help, and returned the favor to even more. It's all been good. Met many tremendous people. In fact, I think it culls out the greedy folks from my friends list. Hunters helping hunters.
 
What's wrong with finding out about the unit BEFORE applying to find out if you should go? You whitetail hunters out there don't first get the property then see if there is deer on it. Just do some of your own homework before getting the tag.
 
I've applied in NM 5-6 times and I've never set foot in that state BUT I know lots of people that have hunted NM. In the past I applied for hunts that had -10% draw odds figuring if I was gonna go to NM, I'd hunt the best. This year I applied for 16E, 44/45 muzzy and 1st rifle. Just trying to get a tag. Had I drawn, I'd be asking questions, sending PMs, everything!

If I only found an area to pack into where there was feed and water for my stock, I'd have a starting place. My Colorado archery hunt is over 9/28. I was heading to NM then, giving me either 5 days or 15 to get situated depending which season I drew. With either 2+ days in the rut or 12 days, I'm sure I would have found an area to hunt with a high chance of success.

I hope NM goes to a license fee like UT just did, and a PP system. Putting $$$ up front comes with something for yur money in every state except one.

In colorado, I've never set foot in the area of the unit I drew where the elk will be during Sept but I'm givin myself 14 huntin days so I have enough time to figure it out.

In my NV antelope unit, I hunted it in 91 (friend's tag) and 92. Gonna scout that one 2 weekends before the season and get there one day early. Not many people forfeit $700.00 and don't hunt the tag.
 
Almost nobody doesn't find out something about a unit they apply for before they apply. That's why they applied for it. But, you can never know enough about it. There will always be more. I ask questions about areas I have hunted for 15 years. Doesn't hurt to ask.

The thing that surprised me in my 12 years of hunting out west was the consistent pattern of residents being the most often unprepared hunters. No doubt because someone drawing a good tag and paying a lot more for it tends to appreciate it more. I've been amazed. One trip to AZ I met a group of 3 residents who had unit 1 bull tags yet could not find an elk. I gave them my maps and places to target, as I was tagged out. In Nevavda I bumped into two residents who were bowhunting with no elk calls. Didn't know how to use them either. I left them both my bugle and cow calls. These folks could have had much better hunts with their slammer tags if they'd only asked a few questions.
 
I was hunting elk in one of my favorite units this past season. There were two NR camped just down the road. I sparked up conversation with them on opening day and continued to visit with them over the first week.

After 5 days of them not hearing a bugle or seeing an elk I dicided to take them along the next morning with me.

We immediatley got on elk and I called in a 300 class 6x6, it was just to thick for someone to get a shot.

Long story short, the two invited me to put in for Javi in AZ. I drew a tag, went and killed a pig. I had never hunted in AZ before.

Now I have some long time friends, and I will asure you all, we will be hunting again together.

This site is for sharing info and making friends. Take that to heart.

TT
 

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