Interesting Vaccine Article

eelgrass said:
It sounds like you need to head for the back porch and kill a little grass..... :)
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Actually, I'm already taking a daily diuretic dose for edema. Otherwise my feet get the size of footballs. So I get to kill grass many times a day. Sadly, that won't work for ascites, which is a build up of fluid in the peritoneal cavity. From my research, either invasive surgery or a tap inserted through the skin & flesh into the cavity is necessary.

Getting old is a b!tch. As I said many times, if I knew I would live this long, I would have taken better care of my body. ☹️
 
EVILNR said:
CDC #'s looking like its more likely to get the Covid AFTER being vaccinated.
Why am I not surprised?
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That's a misinterpretation of the information. The numbers you're referring to would have to account for the amount of exposure of all groups to allow for a control.

The CDC clearly says there is an 8x (800%) increased likelihood of getting COVID if you're unvaccinated.
 
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Dang ODW, that sucks. Good luck on everything you've got going on.

My grandpa used to always say, "Getting old is not for the weak."

I think those are very wise words.
 
grizzly said:
Dang ODW, that sucks. Good luck on everything you've got going on.

My grandpa used to always say, "Getting old is not for the weak."

I think those are very wise words.
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Thanks. Your grandpa was right.

But ....staying home as a shut-in has its advantages. I haven't been late for anything in ages, and my Durango is getting many months per gallon. :rolleyes: Plus, I...


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Why is anyone getting tested?

I'm serious. Other than to be hospitalized, or to get out of work, is there any reason why?

If you asymptomatic or barely sick, does it matter?

I feel like the Karen's are just dying to get to post on Facebook they have it, for attention
 
Here is the latest CDC data...

"The Center for Disease Control reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths.

At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

Less than 0.004% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 experienced a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization and less than 0.001% died from the disease."
 
hossblur said:
Why is anyone getting tested?

I'm serious. Other than to be hospitalized, or to get out of work, is there any reason why?

If you asymptomatic or barely sick, does it matter?

I feel like the Karen's are just dying to get to post on Facebook they have it, for attention
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HA required a negative test to enter. You needed the vax to avoid quarantine. At least that’s how it was last month. Just an example.
 
Bluehair said:
HA required a negative test to enter. You needed the vax to avoid quarantine. At least that’s how it was last month. Just an example.
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Same for us.

My point is with the general population.

Testing at this point is useless, unless your seeking attention.

One wouldn't go have a flu test Everytime their tummy hurt, but for some reason, folks are getting tested continuously.
 
Fynn-derella
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Flag of Gibraltar By June 1st, over 99% of Gibraltar's population was fully vaccinated. Since that time, new COVID cases per day have increased more than 2500%. SyringeNo entry sign
 
feddoc said:
Fynn-derella
@Fynnderella1
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Flag of Gibraltar By June 1st, over 99% of Gibraltar's population was fully vaccinated. Since that time, new COVID cases per day have increased more than 2500%. SyringeNo entry sign
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1. Not all vaccine is the same.

2. So? If you don't die, does it matter?

3. Remember when CNN had their Covid ticker on screen all day. Conservatives saw that as the dumbest thing on the planet, as cases did not equal deaths. Now, to support their theory, they push case numbers, not death numbers.
 
hossblur said:
Wasn't a sympathy play.

But simply a reality one.

Read a warning label on birth control. Read it on ibuprofen. Read it on Viagra.

And I DO NOT support mandated vaccine.

But I am as leary of the mandate folks as I am the vaccine conspiracy folks.

I don't trust either.

I do trust Dr. Jorgensen. He told me to get it, so I did.

I hire good people, be they doctors, mechanic, plumbers, etc. Let the professionals handle their profession.
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Good piece. Well said : I agree.

Told my lib, business owning, covid vaccinated dear friend he got the shot !, now he has it, & he / they / himshes and others are infecting the non vaccers !

He said ,’no one is talking about that ?, ‘
I said ,
I know.

Something else to think about.
My neighbor is a quadriplegic: he was infected by dumb care taker.
2 weeks, close call but home now. No side effects? I think therapeutics work ok.

Stay well my friends.

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Focoelkman said:
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Good piece. Well said : I agree.

Told my lib, business owning, covid vaccinated dear friend he got the shot !, now he has it, & he / they / himshes and others are infecting the non vaccers !

He said ,’no one is talking about that ?, ‘
I said ,
I know.

Something else to think about.
My neighbor is a quadriplegic: he was infected by dumb care taker.
2 weeks, close call but home now. No side effects? I think therapeutics work ok.

Stay well my friends.




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Not a lot of firsts in MM world. But this may be the first usage of pronouns?????

This idea though, was toxic from the start.

"Saving grandma", "infecting".

It turned neighbor against neighbor, and added to toxic nature of the country.

You share air, you take the same chances.

And yeah. It was done 100% as a political narrative.

Without Covid, Trump destroyed the libs, so they used Covid as a battering ram.

Then, suddenly, Covid wasn't to he political any longer.

One day folks will wake up and see what team sports in politics does to the people
 
Tristate said:
Listen guys I'm hearing all kinds of opinions and partial truths. I am going to give you a fact.

A fully vaccinated person can contract covid 19, carry covid 19, and be a producer of a previously unknown variant. This is a fact.
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Is this what your TV told you?? Fact??

Even the medical community doesn’t know “Facts” about this BS yet. Get over yourself, or get your T shirt:

“I do whatever my TV tells me to”
 
feddoc said:
Fynn-derella
@Fynnderella1
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Flag of Gibraltar By June 1st, over 99% of Gibraltar's population was fully vaccinated. Since that time, new COVID cases per day have increased more than 2500%. SyringeNo entry sign
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The other side of the story...

Gibraltar went from February 17th to July 3rd with 10 infections. Vaccinations work. Now we have a variant... on July 26th they had 23 infections. As a percentage, that's a large increase but as a total it is still small. There is zero evidence that the positive infections are even vaccinated residents and not unvaccinated tourists.

PS. Florida had more positive tests yesterday than any previous day of the pandemic and has the highest per capita infection rate in the country.
 
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El Gringo said:
Is this what your TV told you?? Fact??

Even the medical community doesn’t know “Facts” about this BS yet. Get over yourself, or get your T shirt:

“I do whatever my TV tells me to”
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No. Thats what a doctor told me that works on covid patients. And yes they do know some facts now.

You're welcome.
 


(someone else's) Summary of the nine minute video clip below:
-40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body
-Each particle bonds to interior wall of capillaries causing the interior surface of the entire vascular system to become rough like sandpaper instead of the natural smooth blood vessel lining, on the capillary level
-Body reacts by forming clots and blocking the injured vessels and capillaries. This process is permanent and irreversible
-Micro-clotting of capillaries is invisible to scans, only the D-Dimer test shows that clotting is happening in the body on a micro level, but not where it is happening
-Micro-clotting in the lungs causes increased pressure on the right side of the heart which must pump against the blocked capillaries in the lungs. Right side heart failure generally occurs within three years when this pulmonary micro-clotting occurs
-65% of injected people are returning positive D-Dimer tests
 
elkassassin said:
So grizzly?

You Believe every F'N Thing the News Media/The Government Boasts?
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Not at all. I had never heard of the Gibraltar tweet before, but it took about two seconds to see it was not an accurate description of events.

When somebody says, "Gibraltar has a high vaccination rate and their cases are up 2500%," I don't run to the internet to regurgitate it yearning for the jollies of bias confirmation and ?? on MM. I go pull up the numbers to see if they're true. And you know what, Gibraltar did have a 2500% increase. But, as my post said, "There's more to the story." Another way to look at the same numbers would be to say Gibraltar has only had a few dozen cases since last winter due to their high vaccination rate. Each of the numbers are accurate, but the former statistic takes a small sample size in an obviously successful attempt to mislead those that don't do their own research. The latter number takes a larger sample size and is thus more reliable.

If cases are so exceptionally low that they're averaging one per day, and now they're averaging 25 per day, that is both a 2500% increase and still a very low number. The sample size is too low to be a reliable source of information. If somebody tells you the cases of wolves seen in Utah increased 100% last year, that means a lot more if it's from 500 to 1,000 than if it's from one to two. A percentage of a small number is not reliable, even if you think you agree with the tweet.

Another example of people not properly understanding numbers is those that spread on far-right websites about a super-spreader event in Massachusetts. Many people misread those numbers to think the vaccinated were more likely to be infected. That is 100% NOT true. To infer that result, you would have to know the total number of V/UV and how many of each of those groups were infected. We don't know those numbers, they weren't published and neither was the total attendance. For all we know 100% of the unvaccinated in attendance got COVID and only 5% of the vaccinated did. The only number that was released was that 74% of those that tested positive were vaccinated.... that's not enough to know anything about the effectiveness of the vaccine, just that there are breakthrough cases... which we already knew. The vaccine was never said to be 100% effective.

My answer is a long way of saying that people need to think things through and quit spreading BS memes and tweets because what they're saying is false.

There is a really weird desire for confirmation bias on the far-right at the present and it's shielding intelligent people from very robust studies with absolutely massive amounts of information; which they dismiss in favor of a retweet or blog from somebody with no credibility or credentials and that they've never even heard of until they saw a pithy half-truth they were already preconditioned to believe.
 
grizzly said:

Not at all. I had never heard of the Gibraltar tweet before, but it took about two seconds to see it was not an accurate description of events.

When somebody says, "Gibraltar has a high vaccination rate and their cases are up 2500%," I don't run to the internet to regurgitate it yearning for the jollies of bias confirmation and ?? on MM. I go pull up the numbers to see if they're true. And you know what, Gibraltar did have a 2500% increase. But, as my post said, "There's more to the story." Another way to look at the same numbers would be to say Gibraltar has only had a few dozen cases since last winter due to their high vaccination rate. Each of the numbers are accurate, but the former statistic takes a small sample size in an obviously successful attempt to mislead those that don't do their own research. The latter number takes a larger sample size and is thus more reliable.

If cases are so exceptionally low that they're averaging one per day, and now they're averaging 25 per day, that is both a 2500% increase and still a very low number. The sample size is too low to be a reliable source of information. If somebody tells you the cases of wolves seen in Utah increased 100% last year, that means a lot more if it's from 500 to 1,000 than if it's from one to two. A percentage of a small number is not reliable, even if you think you agree with the tweet.

Another example of people not properly understanding numbers is those that spread on far-right websites about a super-spreader event in Massachusetts. Many people misread those numbers to think the vaccinated were more likely to be infected. That is 100% NOT true. To infer that result, you would have to know the total number of V/UV and how many of each of those groups were infected. We don't know those numbers, they weren't published and neither was the total attendance. For all we know 100% of the unvaccinated in attendance got COVID and only 5% of the vaccinated did. The only number that was released was that 74% of those that tested positive were vaccinated.... that's not enough to know anything about the effectiveness of the vaccine, just that there are breakthrough cases... which we already knew. The vaccine was never said to be 100% effective.

My answer is a long way of saying that people need to think things through and quit spreading BS memes and tweets because what they're saying is false.

There is a really weird desire for confirmation bias on the far-right at the present and it's shielding intelligent people from very robust studies with absolutely massive amounts of information; which they dismiss in favor of a retweet or blog from somebody with no credibility or credentials and that they've never even heard of until they saw a pithy half-truth they were already preconditioned to believe.
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I notice you drop that "far right" line several times.

What exactly do you consider "far left" today?

Remembering the Dems have open socialists now in there political body?
 
hossblur said:
I notice you drop that "far right" line several times.

What exactly do you consider "far left" today?

Remembering the Dems have open socialists now in there political body?
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I'll answer your question more holistically.

There are far-left Democrats. There are far-right Republicans. Not all Republicans are far-right. Not all Democrats are far-left. There are people in-between in both parties. Not all Democrats are Elizabeth Warren and not all Republicans are Matt Gaetz. Those people are the extremes.

But since we're on vaccines, let's stay there. The previous Republican Presidents and Presidential Nominees are pro-vax (including Trump). Traditional conservatives are not part of the anti-vaccination discussion. It's the far-right that is leading the anti-vax crusade.

At the same time that McConnell is running his pro-vax ads in Kentucky, Marjorie Taylor-Greene (Jewish Space Lasers, anybody?) is touring the country on a campaign against vaccinations. Remember earlier in this thread when Homer brought up HIPAA? Yeah, MTG spread that lie too and people who didn't do their own research spread it again and again. (Hint: HIPAA has no bearing on a private company asking vaccination status, it only applies to participating medical providers).

Staying on the subject of vaccinations, the far-left would be somebody trying to require an American to carry proof of vaccination on a public sidewalk. A private business can do that they want, the government can not.

PS. MTG is not going to be upset if you brand her as far-right any more than AOC would be after being branded far-left. I think both the far-right and far-left are proud of their status, which is why I feel it's okay to identify them as such. I don't see it as an attack, just a descriptive.
 
Since the lowest percentage group of unvaccinated are Black folks, specifically male black folks, I'm gonna assume that "far right" speech you gave, is fluff. Unless we are to believe that now black folks, who vote 90% democrat, have now joined the far right as well?

Did Joe Rogan join the "far right"? He's one of the biggest voices in the country, and is not pro vaccine. In fact, I guarantee he DROWNS MTG and Gaetz in listeners and followers.

And, I could post the endless loops of Biden, Harris, AOC, Pelosi, Shummer, Cuomo,etc, talking endlessly about not trusting the FDA. Not trusting a "trump vaccine". Not taking anything Trump had a hand in.

Are they now all "Far right"?

Conservatives (not republicans) don't trust government. Blacks don't trust public health officials.

Both have VERY GOOD REASONS for doing so. None of them are conspiracy theories. Both are for concrete reasons backed with volumes of proof.

This ain't about "far right", it's about an ABSOLUTE FAILURE by the public health beaucracy. They have so severely bitched this, lied to the public, played political gotcha, that no one trusts them, including me, and I got the shot.
 
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Since the lowest percentage group of unvaccinated are Black folks, specifically male black folks, I'm gonna assume that "far right" speech you gave, is fluff. Unless we are to believe that now black folks, who vote 90% democrat, have now joined the far right as well?

Did Joe Rogan join the "far right"? He's one of the biggest voices in the country, and is not pro vaccine. In fact, I guarantee he DROWNS MTG and Gaetz in listeners and followers.

And, I could post the endless loops of Biden, Harris, AOC, Pelosi, Shummer, Cuomo,etc, talking endlessly about not trusting the FDA. Not trusting a "trump vaccine". Not taking anything Trump had a hand in.

Are they now all "Far right"?

Conservatives (not republicans) don't trust government. Blacks don't trust public health officials.

Both have VERY GOOD REASONS for doing so. None of them are conspiracy theories. Both are for concrete reasons backed with volumes of proof.

This ain't about "far right", it's about an ABSOLUTE FAILURE by the public health beaucracy. They have so severely bitched this, lied to the public, played political gotcha, that no one trusts them, including me, and I got the shot.
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You're again trying to connect dots I didn't say. Being unvaccinated and anti-vax are entirely different things.

I have not seen one Black male "leading the anti-vax crusade" (scroll up to see those are the words I used). I'm sure they're out there but of all the links posted on MM, how many do you think were originally written by Black males? They are clearly not the predominant source of anti-vax speak.

As to Joe Rogan, he said after his podcast, "I'm not an anti-vax person. I believe they're safe and encourage many people to take them."

My point is, your post is making a leap that isn't there. Somebody remaining unvaccinated is different from somebody who is actively trying to convince others to remain unvaccinated as well. And before you accuse me of something I didn't ever say... Go read through my posts on MM, I've never told anybody they should be vaccinated. Ever. I'll counter incorrect information with actual facts but everybody gets to decide for themselves whether to be vaccinated or not. It's their choice. (But if a company wants to ban unvaccinated people... that's their choice too. 'Merica!)

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The ABSOLUTE FAILURE is when COVID became a political football. Masks and vaccinations became a sign of fealty to an ideology. Trump should've received high praise for Operation Warp Speed, instead he got his own vaccination in secret and his biggest supporters are those with the most public exposure saying it's unsafe. They're taking the greatest achievement from their own guy.

Another example... Dems are all open about their vaccination status; they have 100% vaccination participation rate in the House. Of the House Republicans, at least 97 of them won't even say whether they're vaccinated or not (46 of the 50 Republican Senators have confirmed they're vaccinated). Tucker Carlson has railed against vaccinations for months, but won't say whether he got his own and he's the number one show on the number one cable network. Where are the Black males with the voices to compete with the MTG, Gaetz, and Carlson's? They don't exist.

The anti-vax crusade is led by the far-right. Period.
 
What is disturbing is the amount of ways that money and fear is being used to have people vaccinate. Why is money and fear being used to drive people to vaccinate? Why is the agenda to keep forcing people to do what some don’t want to? (Could it be to gain control of all and line selected pockets with $$$$$)This is America ….. land of the free. Well, it use to be.
 
grizzly said:
The anti-vax crusade is led by the far-right. Period.
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Blacks and Hispanic are being lead around by the far right?

"As of the latest polling, 47 percent of whites are vaccinated, and 62 percent of Asians, but Hispanics sit at a much lower 39 percent, and blacks at an even lower 34 percent."

www.breitbart.com

Nolte: Democrats’ Jim Crow Vaccine Laws Disproportionately Persecute Blacks, Hispanics

The Democrat party is desperate to use the coronavirus to bring back its Jim Crow laws that will disproportionately persecute racial minorities.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
 
eelgrass said:
Blacks and Hispanic are being lead around by the far right?
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There's no reason to try and interject race into this discussion by anybody. Clearly people don't need to be classified by skin color and lots of people have reasons for their vaccination status. I'm not talking about vaccination status, I'm talking about anti-vaccination activism and the false information that has come from that.

You're making a common misassumption though; not being vaccinated does not equate to being anti-vax. Heck, I'm sure there are people that ARE vaccinated that are now anti-vax. There are also documented cases of people that WERE anti-vax but changed their mind to pro-vax while in the ICU fighting for their lives.

The key is to look at who the top voices are in the anti-vax stratosphere.

I've said what I want to say so you can have the last word. Have a good evening.

Thanks everybody for keeping the conversation civil ??
 
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grizzly said:
You're again trying to connect dots I didn't say. Being unvaccinated and anti-vax are entirely different things.

I have not seen one Black male "leading the anti-vax crusade" (scroll up to see those are the words I used). I'm sure they're out there but of all the links posted on MM, how many do you think were originally written by Black males? They are clearly not the predominant source of anti-vax speak.

As to Joe Rogan, he said after his podcast, "I'm not an anti-vax person. I believe they're safe and encourage many people to take them."

My point is, your post is making a leap that isn't there. Somebody remaining unvaccinated is different from somebody who is actively trying to convince others to remain unvaccinated as well. And before you accuse me of something I didn't ever say... Go read through my posts on MM, I've never told anybody they should be vaccinated. Ever. I'll counter incorrect information with actual facts but everybody gets to decide for themselves whether to be vaccinated or not. It's their choice. (But if a company wants to ban unvaccinated people... that's their choice too. 'Merica!)

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The ABSOLUTE FAILURE is when COVID became a political football. Masks and vaccinations became a sign of fealty to an ideology. Trump should've received high praise for Operation Warp Speed, instead he got his own vaccination in secret and his biggest supporters are those with the most public exposure saying it's unsafe. They're taking the greatest achievement from their own guy.

Another example... Dems are all open about their vaccination status; they have 100% vaccination participation rate in the House. Of the House Republicans, at least 97 of them won't even say whether they're vaccinated or not (46 of the 50 Republican Senators have confirmed they're vaccinated). Tucker Carlson has railed against vaccinations for months, but won't say whether he got his own and he's the number one show on the number one cable network. Where are the Black males with the voices to compete with the MTG, Gaetz, and Carlson's? They don't exist.

The anti-vax crusade is led by the far-right. Period.
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Lebron James.

We can spin definition all day. Not vaccinated, is anti vax. It's available everywhere. Free. The biggest constituents of the left, ain't vaccinated.

You are compiling several things into one group.

There are I'm sure house members not vaccinated. There are some who believe it's no one's buisness either way, which I support.

I listen to JRE. He added that line after several discussions about unsafe, and strengthen immune system.
He's still not vaccinated.

I'll look forward to you using the phrase "far left" as we discuss our new BLM director, or any host of issues including grizzlies and wolves in the future. Problem is, you can't, because the "far left" IS the Dem party. The outliers are the Sinemas and Manchins.

I keep hearing the "far right" in media. Yet somehow, after 47 years of hunting, fishing, 4x4, and rednecking, I don't know any. It's almost like their the boogie man.
 
I am the unvaccinated, and I think I'll begin to take a knee during something unrelated in solidarity for we, the oppressed, unvaccinated!!! JFP!! "Idiocracy" was a movie, not a playbook!!!
 
DW said:
I am the unvaccinated, and I think I'll begin to take a knee during something unrelated in solidarity for we, the oppressed, unvaccinated!!! JFP!! "Idiocracy" was a movie, not a playbook!!!
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Honestly curious.

Is it because you don't trust Pfizer or Moderns.

Or you don't trust government?

Second. Are you part of the KKK, or skinhead movement? I've been told only "the far right" are anti vax.
 
Some people are just scared of needles. Even big tough guys.

I used to work with a guy who was totally incapacitated by the sight of blood. When he started getting smart, I would take my pocket knife out and threaten to cut myself. He would leave the room. :ROFLMAO:
 
hossblur said:
I've been told only "the far right" are anti vax.
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Funniest part of your comment! I'm aware it's a poke at my little buddy grizz! Funny how they put you in a box if you don't agree with them. I'm far from "anti-vax", I've probably had more vaccinations before I was 25 than the majority on this site, but those vaccinations were time tested, they'd been around for years. I am pretty far right if you consider the one thing I want most is to be left alone and not told what I have to do by a governing body. There's a reason I left home at 18, joined the military at 20, am an independent contractor, and live alone well outside of town without TV.....I don't need a nurse maid, I love my freedom, and I'd rather talk to my horse than most people. He routinely proves to be smarter than most people I meet.

This comment probably just put me on a list.?
 
DW said:
Funniest part of your comment! I'm aware it's a poke at my little buddy grizz! Funny how they put you in a box if you don't agree with them. I'm far from "anti-vax", I've probably had more vaccinations before I was 25 than the majority on this site, but those vaccinations were time tested, they'd been around for years. I am pretty far right if you consider the one thing I want most is to be left alone and not told what I have to do by a governing body. There's a reason I left home at 18, joined the military at 20, am an independent contractor, and live alone well outside of town without TV.....I don't need a nurse maid, I love my freedom, and I'd rather talk to my horse than most people. He routinely proves to be smarter than most people I meet.

This comment probably just put me on a list.?
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Him among others.

I do 100-150 jobs a year, hang out on mtn and swamp. Am in gun stores, hunting stores, fishing shops.

Youd think at some point I'd run across a skinhead, neo Nazi, KKK, oath keeper or 3%.

I have run across a few Trump flags, most of them though are high school kids in trucks with mullets(including one in my house).

With all the "far right" talk, you'd think they would be selling white sheets at Walmart.
 
grizzly said:
There's no reason to try and interject race into this discussion by anybody. Clearly people don't need to be classified by skin color and lots of people have reasons for their vaccination status. I'm not talking about vaccination status, I'm talking about anti-vaccination activism and the false information that has come from that.

You're making a common misassumption though; not being vaccinated does not equate to being anti-vax. Heck, I'm sure there are people that ARE vaccinated that are now anti-vax. There are also documented cases of people that WERE anti-vax but changed their mind to pro-vax while in the ICU fighting for their lives.

The key is to look at who the top voices are in the anti-vax stratosphere.

I've said what I want to say so you can have the last word. Have a good evening.

Thanks everybody for keeping the conversation civil ??
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The point was, we always hear that Trump only got 10% of the Hispanic vote and only 8% of the Black vote. (or whatever the numbers are). I don't think that is a racist comment.
 
eelgrass said:
The point was, we always hear that Trump only got 10% of the Hispanic vote and only 8% of the Black vote. (or whatever the numbers are). I don't think that is a racist comment.
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I said you can have the last word and you can, I just want to clarify that I never intended to imply your comment was racist. It wasn't.
 
hossblur said:
Him among others.

I do 100-150 jobs a year, hang out on mtn and swamp. Am in gun stores, hunting stores, fishing shops.

Youd think at some point I'd run across a skinhead, neo Nazi, KKK, oath keeper or 3%.

I have run across a few Trump flags, most of them though are high school kids in trucks with mullets(including one in my house).

With all the "far right" talk, you'd think they would be selling white sheets at Walmart.
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I gave specific examples of individuals who are leading the anti-vax crusade with millions of viewers, followers, and even in-person rallies and your response is to claim a nameless, faceless, theoretical Black male as a counter and then equate the choice of being unvaccinated with the act of advocating for a position.

You then identify "far-right" as meaning "skinhead, neo Nazi, and KKK," something I wouldn't do because I don't consider them a wing of the Republican Party. I never once tied white supremacists to the Republican Party.

It's a good thing this isn't college debate because your counter-arguments are non-specific and now self-defeating. Can you imagine a defense attorney tying his client to those groups for no reason? The prejudicial appeal writes itself.

There are valid arguments you could make for your position (RFK Jr would be a good one, but the fact you didn't bring him up shows he doesn't have that much penetration in the media), however I still feel the preponderance of the evidence is that the anti-vax movement is largely pushed by the outer edge of the Republican Party.

I already said eel can have the last word and now you can too.
 
So to recap:

Blacks are not getting vaccinated as fast as whites and Asians.

Blacks are majority democrats

Looks to me this is a democrat messaging issue to get vaccinated.

Looks like the Biden administration is failing to get the word out.
 
So you skipped me saying Lebron James?

www.gq.com

LeBron’s Vaccination Status, and Other NBA Playoff Mysteries

James won’t say whether he’s gotten a shot. And could the Clippers actually be about to blow it yet again, potentially putting Kawhi Leonard in free agency play?
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How about Lamar Jackson?

It's pretty much a binary choice.

Your either PRO vax, in which case you'd get the shot.

Or ANTI vax, in which case you wouldn't.

I know "debaters" love to play word games, as in "that depends on your definition of the word is", but in the real world, when 2/3 of a racial/political group aren't vaccinated, 6 months after it became available to public, that shows them to be anti vax. And for very good, very legit reasons.

I've now put up Lebron James and Joe Rogan, you countered with MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

Should we bet on who more people know, follow, and listen to?

You are now trying to back peddle on "far right". We both know the EXACT way "far right" is being used presently in media. Had you said "right" I wouldn't have challenged you. But, "far right" is an attempt to tie Gaetz and MTG, both of whom were ELECTED to the militias, racists, and the like that were traditionally "far right".

Like I said, you don't use "far left", even on the thread where you posted about the BLM chief with a wink to me, none of your previous posts, used "far left".

You're too smart to play stupid when you get challenged. Bill Clinton knows what "is" means, and you know what "far right" means.
 
I prefer to think that most people who choose to not get vaccinated, Democrat or Republican, are looking at several different sources and making up their own minds. There is plenty of information out there to weigh, both pro and con.

It's kind of silly anyway as there is absolutely no way to get everybody vaccinated. No one under 12 is allowed and there will always be thousands of people coming in who aren't vaccinated.
 
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The data shows 2 groups not vaccinating.

Rural, evangelical, white

Urban, young, POC

Not exactly the militias, white supremacists, etc.

I got the shot. I am extremely anti mandate.

So I guess I'm partially right wing?
 
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One thing for sure, this vaccine is not your Grandpa's Polio vaccine that everybody was comparing it to when it first became available. Those who said so got cancelled and shut down. We might have won a battle with this vaccine but it might cost us the war before it's over.
 
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One thing for sure, this vaccine is not your Grandpa's Polio vaccine that everybody was comparing it to when it first became available. Those who said so got cancelled and shut down. We might have won a battle with this vaccine but it might cost us the war before it's over.
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Got to be alive to win a war
 
One of Biden's top Wutang Flu advisors was on CNN earlier today. He said that the common paper & cloth masks that most people are wearing offer little to no protection for either you or anyone around you. Of course we knew this
 
It’s terrifying how powerful the propaganda machine has become, and how much trust is given to big Pharma, on a product that was rushed to market like has never happened in human history. The millions that lined up to get the needle. Hopefully long term side effects are negligible for all of those.

I actually agree with all 18 points of the authors article 100%, and that is a rare day for me.

Anybody every consider that if this thing was really as deadly as it’s being portrayed, that the homeless population should have been wiped out by now? Don’t these people have the absolute worst living conditions, and most likely health issues?

Remember, if you’re for minority equality, that the smallest minority is the individual. When we’ve lost our individual liberty then we no longer live in a free society. Both parties are the enemy to that….
 
Almost everyone I know who had COVID complains about some lingering side effect.

I haven’t had it yet so I dont have any complaints. 100 + days with my altered dna, microchip, and nose ring and still stumbling along.
 
What about the deaths?????

Haven’t seen a dam thing about this until today : 3x the number of homicides vs. Covid deaths ? in Chi town

Same in DC. Over the same time period.

Math on Utard article , 2400 cases
15 dead.
.1?

Idiotville!

This topic sucks.
 
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This probably won’t resonate here.

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Too many Utahns won’t get shots, then get COVID-19, instead

As recent news stories have shown, a lot of Utahns feel deep regrets now that they or their loved ones are sick.
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Those stories are circulating all over now, almost like somebody ordered them.

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Former anti-vaxxer in Humboldt County urges vaccinations after severe case of COVID-19

“I was told my whole life not to take experimental drugs and I was 100% against an experimental vaccine,” said Rio Dell resident Jonathan Weltsch. “Then I lost my breath and I wis…
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"Unfortunately, state lawmakers pushed for an early end to the state mask mandate last spring, based on virtually no data at all, then outlawed mask mandates in public schools this fall"

Can someone explain to this poor dumb redneck, how outlawing the mask mandate in schools, THAT HAVENT STARTED YET, lead to increased Wuhan right now?

Someone, really needs to fire EVERY PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIAL, if they speak publically.

Vaccine hesitancy, mis truth, misunderstanding, etc, is 100% the fault of the absolute incompetent messaging from THEM.

Calling people stupid, challenging their religion?

Fire every damn one of them, idiots!!
 
Hey Hossy?

The Right kind of Mask Might Save Your Ass! (Full Face Respirator with Oxygen Bottle!)

But Not These .19 Cent Made in F'N Wuhan Masks!

I've Been Wondering if These CHEAP F'N Masks are Bio-Degradable?

They Are Laying/Scattered Everywhere!

Who Get's to Clean Them Up?

One More Thing Hossy!

The COVID Is Airborne!

This Makes Me Shake My F'N Head When People Think that CHEAP Little Piece of Made out of Who Knows What Mask is gonna do anything for You!

But Let's Keep Buying them From CHINA!

Anybody Know How Much Money they've made on Masks alone in the Last Year?






hossblur said:
"Unfortunately, state lawmakers pushed for an early end to the state mask mandate last spring, based on virtually no data at all, then outlawed mask mandates in public schools this fall"

Can someone explain to this poor dumb redneck, how outlawing the mask mandate in schools, THAT HAVENT STARTED YET, lead to increased Wuhan right now?

Someone, really needs to fire EVERY PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIAL, if they speak publically.

Vaccine hesitancy, mis truth, misunderstanding, etc, is 100% the fault of the absolute incompetent messaging from THEM.

Calling people stupid, challenging their religion?

Fire every damn one of them, idiots!!
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elkassassin said:
Hey Hossy?

The Right kind of Mask Might Save Your Ass! (Full Face Respirator with Oxygen Bottle!)

But Not These .19 Cent Made in F'N Wuhan Masks!

I've Been Wondering if These CHEAP F'N Masks are Bio-Degradable?

They Are Laying/Scattered Everywhere!

Who Get's to Clean Them Up?

One More Thing Hossy!

The COVID Is Airborne!

This Makes Me Shake My F'N Head When People Think that CHEAP Little Piece of Made out of Who Knows What Mask is gonna do anything for You!

But Let's Keep Buying them From CHINA!

Anybody Know How Much Money they've made on Masks alone in the Last Year?
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Don't know what your talking about. I've always worn cloth condoms, they stop sperm, why wouldn't they stop a virus?
 
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If I do get a vaccine, this will likely be the one. A true vaccine.
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It sounds great to me.

"Unlike two vaccines currently authorized for use in the United States, both of which rely on the new technology of messenger RNA, and also distinct from the other vaccines in the pipeline for potential authorization in the United States at some point later, which are all based on only spike antigen, Covaxin is a whole virion inactivated vaccine based on multi-antigens (including spike and nucleocapsid) – the same technology which has been successful in fighting Polio around the world."
 
Umm, Japan honors Canadians FOIA requests? Meaning, a Canadian makes a Freedom if information act request(American), and it's honored in Japan? I'm supposed to believe that all a fella has to do to gain access to trade secrets and trademarked products is file a FOIA? All these years I wrongly concluded FOIA was to gain access to GOVERNMENT info.

Did you read the conclusions? Hydroxy, which doesn't work, AFTER exposure. Ivermectin, which sorta kinda works possibly.

Along with "eating all your plant based meals in a 6 hour time frame", and sitting in the sauna.

I don't think boosting your immunity is a bad thing, but there are thousands of stories of vegans and athletes that this kills.

Lastly. I only stayed at a Best Western, but IF the spike protein in the shot is toxic and causes blood clotting, infertility, Alzheimer's. Seems to me, the same would be true of the virus spike protein as well?
 
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Our County is going back to masks in all indoor activities starting Saturday, vaccinated or not because vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and spread the disease.

Does anybody remember the last time Dr. Fauci told the truth? This was before he got the word. 29 second video.

 
We will see how long kids are back in school learning????

Imagine the lazy teacher coalition, Faucci and the woke Pres will win out.

I bet they go remote by Thanksgiving.
 
They Should Be Dolling Out another PISSCUTTER of a Hand-Out Soon!

Won't Even Scratch The F'N Price Hikes We've Seen in the Last Few Months!
 
Focoelkman said:
We will see how long kids are back in school learning????

Imagine the lazy teacher coalition, Faucci and the woke Pres will win out.

I bet they go remote by Thanksgiving.
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Forget about the masks; the kids are the real losers here.

No action plan on how to address the “gap” between the ones who attended and those who did not will make up for their lost years.
 
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lol...you most certainly did
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I merely said there was no reason to interject race into a discussion about political reasonings. I also made it perfectly clear that nobody's comments were racist (hint: race-related does not equal racist).

Yet here you are being a jerk again with your useless comments that are never about hunting, or even substantive or thoughtful, they're only intended to cause contention on the forum.

Whenever I read your posts, I often think back to a tragic day when a fellow hunter suffering from a brain injury took his own life at his home with his children present... and ultimately the way you responded.

Somebody on MM asked if you could take even one day off from being a jerk and your reply was that you don't miss a minute. ↓↓

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That day I learned your true character and you've done nothing since then to prove that wrong, causing me to both pity you and have empathy for you. I hope you're able to find peace one day.
 
I have no doubt you and Hairston shared many meals. ??? Drama queen fits you perfectly......
 
Well grizzly!

At Least Homer Garnered Himself a Reply!

You Don't Know Homer at all!

I'd Place a Bet You've Never Shook His Hand!

And grizzly......................?

I've Asked Several Times If You've Gotten the Delta Variant Vaccine Yet?

Am I On Auto-Delete?
 
Pretty sure I brought race into the discussion. It is used in data and statistics. It wasn't "racial"

Roughly 70% of NYC unvaccinated are Black. Lots of "far right" brothers in NYC I guess.

Going to be real fun watching the good libs of NYC close down access in the city to all those black folk when the shot mandate begins.
 
Focoelkman said:
We will see how long kids are back in school learning????

Imagine the lazy teacher coalition, Faucci and the woke Pres will win out.

I bet they go remote by Thanksgiving.
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Already discussing it yesterday. I wasn't paying a lot of attention while getting my coffee this morning, but I think it was the Sec. of Edu. in a blurb on Fox talking about a possible delay for "in person" learning.
 
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Pretty sure I brought race into the discussion. It is used in data and statistics. It wasn't "racial"

Roughly 70% of NYC unvaccinated are Black. Lots of "far right" brothers in NYC I guess.

Going to be real fun watching the good libs of NYC close down access in the city to all those black folk when the shot mandate begins.
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I believe it was my post, and I misunderstood Grizzly's response. It's now all good as far as that went. More my fault.
 
Homer has a unique way of communicating at times to say the least and he can be brutally honest. He has offended me more than once. I get over stuff like that. But you'll never meet a more kind person in real life. Homer stepped up big time recently when our daughter was going through a very rough period in her life, which I don't care to get into. I've only met him once but I consider Homer to be a true friend.
 
eelgrass said:
Homer has a unique way of communicating at times to say the least and he can be brutally honest. He has offended me more than once. I get over stuff like that. But you'll never meet a more kind person in real life. Homer stepped up big time recently when our daughter was going through a very rough period in her life, which I don't care to get into. I've only met him once but I consider Homer to be a true friend.
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I’ve met him twice, might even consider a third meeting, if he’ll straighten up. LOL

Like everyone else I’ve met from MM, there’s very little similarity between internet perceptions and the real life individuals.

I’ll take Homer, with his internet persona, over a ton of real life folks I’ve dealt with over the years.
 

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