Mr. Anti-public land, Mike Lee, needs to go

Oneye said:
This same political insider said that the Deseret News poll showing Lee up 2 was extended when they were conducting the poll because their first results showed McMullin ahead, but they didn’t feel that was accurate so they extended the sample size. By all accounts this race is close, and you don’t have to look any further than how much money is pouring in. He also said McConnell quite desperately wanted Romney’s endorsement of Lee, and it didn’t happen. He said Lee is probably up, but only slightly, and the determiner will likely be how willingly Democrats are actually wanting to show up to vote in another conservative. He says he’s heard very little excitements from Dems in wanting to vote for McMullin so he’s skeptical.
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You don't work for McMullin campaign. How do you know this insider information?
 
JakeH said:
See that's where you are wrong, I never thought of the other party as the enemy, the other side raged war on me and my side and have called us every evil vile thing in the book. We finally started fighting back and now we are the partisan hacks.

Please spare me the lecture.

Oneye who did you vote for president in the last election? You have probably said but I don't recall.
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You're entire shtick here is "if a Democrat votes for the guy he's bad".......but the whole story is, if McMullin is elected he's elected by a far more representative base of voters in the state than Lee, who will get essentially only one group of votes. McMullin has to cobble together Democrats, Independents, and Republicans to win. With some of his past stances on things like Roe v Wade (which he said flat out in 2016 should be overturned) or things like education, he's not in line with Democrats on so getting them enthused to go and vote for him is threading a very fine needle.

Your side isn't innocent. Conservatives throw out their own buzz words and set of terms that are every bit of an attack. Again, you and your party are not just innocent bystanders so please stop pretending you are. So no, by all means, you spare me your bullshit.

And yes I voted for President in 2020, and 2016. No, I do not vote for Donald Trump either time, and no I will not vote for him in 2024 if he is the Republican nominee.
 
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You don't work for McMullin campaign. How do you know this insider information?
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You do realize information can be attained from outside campaigns right? I'm not naming the person, they're a local journalist who covers politics. That's the most you need to know.
 
Oneye said:
If your reasoning that a candidate is bad, simply because someone from a different party might also vote for that person, yes you're a partisan hack.
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Again- people can have opinions that don't align with yours Oneye. Calling them hacks to bolster your opinions only marginalizes your efforts. You consistently denigrate others who do not agree with you. Probably says a lot about the McM ideology.
 
wetmule said:
McMullin is a total fraud. He campaigned for Biden, voted for Biden, is funded by the Dems, backed by the full force of the Dem party & Act Blue. He said that Beto O'Rourkes vision for the country would be good for the country. If he walks & quacks like a Dem... he's a Dem
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Blah blah blah, all regurgitated political “my team” garbage blah blah blah
 
HikeHunt61 said:
Again- people can have opinions that don't align with yours Oneye. Calling them hacks to bolster your opinions only marginalizes your efforts. You consistently denigrate others who do not agree with you. Probably says a lot about the McM ideology.
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The McM ideology lol? He’s certainly not my ideal candidate at all. He’s just running against a literal piece of trash. And yeah, I’m gonna have to say a few of these folks are partisan hacks who use the same dull, unoriginal talking points they parrot from ads they see on TV from their favorite political team. I’m fine with it.
 
Homer said:
are you seeing any of that from the lunatic left??
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No I’m not. Not seeing it from the lunatic right either. So yeah, I’ll gladly vote for a guy who says, you’re both crazy, and we need to stop with the power rage of both major political bases and slap them and their power hunger in the face. If McMullin is elected…yes…yes he IS a slap in the face to extremism and I promise you, your brand of extremism, is every bit as toxic as their brand of extremism, you just like yours.
 
Oneye said:
No I’m not. Not seeing it from the lunatic right either. So yeah, I’ll gladly vote for a guy who says, you’re both crazy, and we need to stop with the power rage of both major political bases and slap them and their power hunger in the face. If McMullin is elected…yes…yes he IS a slap in the face to extremism and I promise you, your brand of extremism, is every bit as toxic as their brand of extremism, you just like yours.
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lol...whatever
 
New in depth poll

Lee 41%
McMullin 37%
Undecided 12%

Of the 12%, the largest % of those undecided considered themselves “moderate voters”

Among voters that “will for sure vote” the poll gets even closer

Lee 42%
McMullin 40%
Undecided 10%


Lee has far higher unfavorable marks among those polled. Lee’s unfavorability is at 47%, McMullin is at 30% unfavorable, and 28% don’t know.

Every single poll has almost looked identical. The undecided voters appear to favor McMullin if he can simply bring those undecided moderate voters in. The debate next week should be a good chance for him to do so. There’s a race to be had here, because I know the guy may not be popular on Monster Muley’s…but there’s a good portion of Utah Republicans who are very much Romney style Republicans.

www.ksl.com

Evan McMullin, Sen. Mike Lee locked in nasty battle for Senate. What does latest poll show?

Utahns like Evan McMullin a little more than Sen. Mike Lee, according to a new poll, but he still slightly trails the Republican incumbent in the heated U.S. Senate race.
www.ksl.com www.ksl.com
 
Oneye said:
The McM ideology lol? He’s certainly not my ideal candidate at all. He’s just running against a literal piece of trash. And yeah, I’m gonna have to say a few of these folks are partisan hacks who use the same dull, unoriginal talking points they parrot from ads they see on TV from their favorite political team. I’m fine with it.
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OMG LOL :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: . Not your ideal candidate? You've posted over 100 times describing how great he is. I can't imagine what you would do if you had an ideal candidate.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
OMG LOL :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: . Not your ideal candidate? You've posted over 100 times describing how great he is. I can't imagine what you would do if you had an ideal candidate.
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Let me be very clear, this thread is not about how good McMullin is. It’s about how bad Mike Lee is and has been for 12 years, on a variety of subjects. It’s about how he’s been one of the worst Senators in America on the grounds of public lands, conservation, etc. The reason McMullin has my backing is he is conservative on most issues I care he’s conservative about, he is willing to work across the table to actually accomplish things for the state, and he’s currently breathing down Lee’s neck and actually challenging him in this race, and has as legitimate shot as there has ever been or will be to get rid of Mike Lee and his anti-public land and conservation sentiment from congress. Few candidates are perfect. I would have rather seen someone like Jon Huntsman run against Lee, but McMullin is giving him a run for his money….$8+ million dollars worth of it to hold his seat in fact, is good with me.
 
I wonder how many votes have been sealed for Mike Lee because of 1-eye’s lectures and condescending berating on all these different forums?

I’m quite certain his tactics haven’t convinced anyone on the fence to vote the way he’s saying they should. Heck, I don’t know many people that dislike Mike Lee and his way of doing things more than me, I always have since he rode in on the tea party bus and challenged Bob Bennett, and he’s even got me thinking about voting for Lee for once!

“The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.” It certainly makes you question what he’s trying to hide. We know he doesn’t hunt, he spends all his time reading KSL articles then quitting them as anonymous sources!
 
Homer said:
I don't give a sh!t about Utah....I do the country....and I'll admit us Californians aren't much help to the country.....I WANT MIKE LEE in the US Senate.........for my benefit....

I don't think his public land stance threatens us near as much as the radical left......
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That’s nice. You vote in California for your Senator. I’ll vote in Utah for mine. I do care about Utah, and I do care about public lands and conservation. I can assure you conserving the earths wildlife and resources is more of an issue than whatever nonsense infighting stupidity we have as a society in the gross game called politics. I’ll choose what Senator I think is best for MY state, not what one you want in the Senate to be a partisan hack.
 
Oneye said:
That’s nice. You vote in California for your Senator. I’ll vote in Utah for mine.
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Oneye appears to be highly parochial. What he doesn’t understand is that most Americans care about our country’s direction, economy, and security more than a single issue in a single state. That’s his right to do so, but he’s completely wrong, as is his candidate.

I believe Utahns understand that. They will vote the best person in for the country, which will ultimately be best for their lovely state.

What cracks me up is the total hypocrisy of the “stick to your state” mantra. Wanna guess where Oneye’s candidate, the esteemed Mr McM’s money comes from? Apparently,
he gets copious dollars from ActBlue, which also supports socialist Bernie Sanders and that incredibly intellectual AOC gal. So much for “stick to your state”!
 
Vanilla said:
I wonder how many votes have been sealed for Mike Lee because of 1-eye’s lectures and condescending berating on all these different forums?

I’m quite certain his tactics haven’t convinced anyone on the fence to vote the way he’s saying they should. Heck, I don’t know many people that dislike Mike Lee and his way of doing things more than me, I always have since he rode in on the tea party bus and challenged Bob Bennett, and he’s even got me thinking about voting for Lee for once!
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When Is This BullShhitt of Voting For Lesser Evils Gonna Come To a F'N End?

And By The Way:

Good Mornin Niller!

Vanilla said:
“The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.” It certainly makes you question what he’s trying to hide. We know he doesn’t hunt, he spends all his time reading KSL articles then quitting them as anonymous sources!
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Someone still a little salty over a few arguments I don’t even remember that you always bring up?

You’ll be alright little fella. You’ll get over it. Or not. Either way, quit being a baby. Nobody cares about whatever hurt feelings you got on the internet.
 
I’ll say it again, regardless of who he is and what your partner in politics says and believes, this election we can’t afford to lose a seat, especially to a chameleon. He won’t help the cause, he’s already shown that with his prior actions and words. Bottom line- gotta be Mike Lee, like him or not. there’s alot on the line, this time is different, no chances
 
I was a delegate that helped elect Lee over Bennett but he's broken the very promises he made when he said we should retire Bennett. Mike Lee won't get my vote.

If I had to put money on it, I'd bet Lee wins. But my vote will go to McMullin.
 
grizzly said:
I was a delegate that helped elect Lee over Bennett but he's broken the very promises he made when he said we should retire Bennett. Mike Lee won't get my vote.

If I had to put money on it, I'd bet Lee wins. But my vote will go to McMullin.
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of course....lol
 
BBW said:
I’ll say it again, regardless of who he is and what your partner in politics says and believes, this election we can’t afford to lose a seat, especially to a chameleon. He won’t help the cause, he’s already shown that with his prior actions and words. Bottom line- gotta be Mike Lee, like him or not. there’s alot on the line, this time is different, no chances
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The GOP made their bed when they chose horrible candidates in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. They aligned with extremist candidates in moderate swing states and now McConnell is openly saying they have poor quality candidates and may not gain control of the Senate in a midterm that should historically be a tidal wave for the Republicans. McConnell is even withdrawing funding for some of their campaigns (link) because they're such bad candidates and he wanted somebody more moderate.

Bottom line is I have no duty to vote for Mike Lee just because the GOP screwed up those four Senate seats. If they want my vote, they can earn it by stopping the spread of the stolen election lies and not printing money for four years and then blaming the subsequent inflation on the next guy.

Return to their core values and the GOP will get my vote. Keep up with the BS of the last several years and I'll vote for somebody else or write-in my choices like I did for the last two presidents.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
Oneye appears to be highly parochial. What he doesn’t understand is that most Americans care about our country’s direction, economy, and security more than a single issue in a single state. That’s his right to do so, but he’s completely wrong, as is his candidate.

I believe Utahns understand that. They will vote the best person in for the country, which will ultimately be best for their lovely state.

What cracks me up is the total hypocrisy of the “stick to your state” mantra. Wanna guess where Oneye’s candidate, the esteemed Mr McM’s money comes from? Apparently,
he gets copious dollars from ActBlue, which also supports socialist Bernie Sanders and that incredibly intellectual AOC gal. So much for “stick to your state”!
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You think Mike Lee’s money is pouring in from Utahns? Cause it’s not lol.
 
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I’ll say it again, regardless of who he is and what your partner in politics says and believes, this election we can’t afford to lose a seat, especially to a chameleon. He won’t help the cause, he’s already shown that with his prior actions and words. Bottom line- gotta be Mike Lee, like him or not. there’s alot on the line, this time is different, no chances
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This is why we end up with such crappy government. The fact you will vote for whatever they sit in front of your face for partisan sakes is well…exactly what a broken government wants. “It tastes terrible, eat it”. My answer….is no. Do better or you won’t get me to vote for you.
 
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Lee on Fox News begging for Romney’s endorsement and money:

(Mike Lee did not endorse Romney in 2018 during his campaign)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580002559246225408


Also….the headline? Probably not the most impactful way to gain his endorsement as Fox’s headline is poking fun at him as you’re begging for his endorsement and money Mike.
 
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These guys are ridiculous begging and constantly asking for money, money, money. I’m sooooo over the campaigning!
 
Homer said:
Lee by 8
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Begging for Mitt’s endorsement and money when Lee already has the advantage of incumbency and more cash…..sorry…it’s hard not to watch that clip and catch the bit of concern in Lee’s eyes lol. Begging for Romney’s endorsement (earlier in this interview he has said he’s already asked multiple times) and asking for his family to donate when Lee DID NOT endorse Mitt 2 years ago is funny stuff. Lee also refused to endorse Orin Hatch at one time. Weird, for all the Mitt slander on here, Lee sure wants that endorsement lol….oh and money.
 
1-eye, please allow me ask a legitimate question here. What is the end game for you here?

Are you really posting everything you are because you think it will sway someone? (Arguing politics on the internet has a terrible success rate…)

Or are you just needing a place to sound off and pontificate about politics?

I honestly don’t know what your goal is here, and legitimately want to know your thought process. It’s clear you don’t like Mike Lee. Outside of that, what is the goal here?
 
This was 2 years ago. It gave me a laugh lol. People like Fox News and Mike Lee? They think you’re useful idiots. Again, this was in June 2020 where Tucker Carlson is saying he’ll celebrate Mike Lee’s defeat lol. 2 years later he’s having him on his program to beg for Mitt Romney’s endorsement. The two party system is broken. They and their allies believe we are all idiots. VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T INDULGE EITHER OF THESE TWO MAJOR PARTIES. But who knows, maybe you’ll believe some Tucker Carlson who wanted to see Lee ousted in June 2020.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273046270374866946
 
roadrunner said:
Yeah, it really is true.

Don't need to be a "Utahn" to pay attention to what's going on in the national scene. It wasn't until quite recently that mitt was an established UT politician.

Don't think for a second that romney would change his stance on public lands if it meant something in exchange...
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You mean U-Tard!
 
Oneye said:
He won the election. Being mad citizens in this country voted against your guy and then wanting to cry about it, is asinine. No one cheated. People filled out their ballots, and Joe Biden won the election. These sorts of things can’t be huge disagreements in this country. Our election integrity is the best in the world. You’re questioning your own county clerks if you think the election was stolen. That doesn’t mean there’s no voting irregularities but there’s no where near the amount needed to change an election. When a guy is calling Republican Governors and asking them to “find me the 5,000 votes I need to win”….that….that is trying to cheat.

Inflations a problem. The economy has always went through these sorts of cycles. I didn’t say there aren’t problems, I say the world or country isn’t ending like you’re hysterically claiming. The stock market goes up, then it goes down. We have economic ups, and economic downs. We have high inflation, and we have interest rates that adjust. It’s a problem right now, it’s not ending the country, You flat out admitted a page back it’s because he doesn’t kiss Trumps ass. Boo hoo. Grow up and stop thinking the guy is God. It’s okay not to kiss his ass. And you can be a conservative without liking him or supporting him.
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Yeah the economy has been through cycles except never has it been destroyed with pure intent to destroy our entire country to usher in communism.
 
wstrntines said:
Yeah the economy has been through cycles except never has it been destroyed with pure intent to destroy our entire country to usher in communism.
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You people are such hysterical beings lol. I can promise you, communism ain’t happening. Grow up.
 
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Oneye said:
Here’s a Utah representative introducing valuable legislation on our part as outdoorsmen and shooters. Good job Blake Moore.

blakemoore.house.gov

Congressman Blake Moore Introduces the Range Access Act to Expand Access to Public Shooting Ranges and Support Local Conservation Efforts

WASHINGTON – Today, Congressman Blake Moore introduced the Range Access Act to promote and expand access to safe recreational target shooting practice.
blakemoore.house.gov blakemoore.house.gov
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Yep...that'll save us....
 
On Fox News begging for money again. You’d think the $9 million he has on hand would be plenty to win this race, and he wouldn’t be trying to take average Americans money, but being a political hack and begging for peoples money is the dream job of career politicians. Lee has roughly 3X as much money as McMullin in this race.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582549568025149440
 
Homer said:
Don't sweat 1eye......he'll win
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Still sitting there begging though….even though he has $9 million on hand. Sad stuff. This is what a career politician looks like everyone. Imagine spending $9 million, begging for money, begging for Romney’s endorsements etc. all to beat Evan McMullin lol. Sad sad man.
 
Oneye said:
Still sitting there begging though….even though he has $9 million on hand. Sad stuff. This is what a career politician looks like everyone. Imagine spending $9 million, begging for money, begging for Romney’s endorsements etc. all to beat Evan McMullin lol. Sad sad man.
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lmmfao.....you are on top of things....
 
Homer said:
www.foxnews.com

McMullin's campaign has paid out over $1.6 million to Dem firms despite calling himself an 'independent'

Utah Senate candidate Evan McMullin, an anti-Trump former Republican, has paid over $1.6 million to Democratic firms despite running as an independent.
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And? Mike Lee’s gonna she’ll out around $8 million. I do not care if McMullin is getting some money from Democrats and some from Republicans. If your only argument is partisanship, you don’t have one.
 
notdonhunting said:
Still voting for Lee
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I have no doubt. In the world of blind partisan voting, people like yourself will convince yourself you’re part of the solution, when you’re actually part of the problem. You’re the polar opposite of any leftist, and you and them would do well to look in the mirror, realize that the polar party extremes are the problem, and it’s okay to vote for reasonable, moderate candidates who aren’t beholden to one party and our country would be better off for it. Our country would be better off without AOC’s and Mike Lee’s.
 
Vanilla said:
It's unfortunate that someone takes the position that anyone that votes differently than they do is a blind partisan.

I mean, ironic and hypocritical beyond belief, but unfortunate, still.
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Here's why it is true in this race. You have two conservatives. McMullin has said he supported overturning Roe v Wade multiple times. McMullin has said he supports school choice and parent involvement in their childs schooling. McMullin has said the debt is an issue and Biden's spending has caused inflation issues. McMullin was a Republican until 2016 when he changed to an independent because of Donald Trump's hold on the party. At the debate the other night he clearly stated he is "pro life". He clearly stated that yes spending is out of control, and has been out of control during Lee's entire time in congress, and made the correct point and even said Lee does a good job voting "no" but that it can't be all you do for your state. He has stated over, and over, and over he will not caucus with either party. The reason it's blind partisan politics is because you have two conservatives in this race. One that is slightly more moderate (although not really if you look at some of his statements, McMullin literally criticized Trump for not saying Roe v Wade should be overturned). And one in this race with the right letter next to his name for some. The arguments made here are totally partisan Vanilla. How many times has it been brought up that people simply will vote for Lee because he's a Republican lol. It's also hilarious that some think, McMullin......a life long Republican is going to just vote with Democrats. It's just not true. It's even less true when the reality is, if McMullin won, he would immediately start positioning himself to be more appealing to more Republicans to make his next election hopes better. It is perfectly fine to have a Senator that isn't hamstrung completely to one party, and many peoples biggest reason for voting for Lee here as they've stated it, is because he's Republican, not because he's doing such a wonderful job. I asked 4 or 5 posts in a row to point out exactly what Lee has done for this state, and that answer still has not been laid out, because he hasn't done anything. The best point McMullin made during the debate was commending Lee for voting "no" and against his party at times, but that it can't be the only thing you ever do. And it's the only thing he ever does.

For instance, it's pretty hilarious to watch Burgess Owens, John Curtis, and Chris Stewart tag along with Mitt Romney to projects fully funded by the infrastructure bill ALL of them voted against, except Romney....but boy oh boy do they want to stand there with their shovel and take credit for water infrastructure improvements, job creation, etc. that were all only negotiated by Romney on that bill. They gotta have that photo op though.
 
Homer said:
McMullin should have won the primary as a republican.....
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Thank you for proving my point to @Vanilla that the only argument several of you have is party, because McMullins words, and stances on policy pretty clearly prove he’s no where near a Democrat lol. He has been an “independent” since 2016, he was not on the Republican primary ballot.
 
Oneye
I am a partisan hack, because I say I am voting for Lee
I want you to point out one comment that was a partisan comment from me.
Yes I said I back Senator Lee on the LWCF vote and I will always support a vote that does not allow permanent funding for most any thing that involves government spending or worse bureaucrat. I also said I do not support Senator Lee's public land stance either.
You stated I am the polar opposite of the leftists, if that is saying I do not support the Biden administration in any way then yes I am the polar opposite. .
If that is saying I do not support Senator Schumer, Senator Feinstein, Senator Waters or Pelosi, or AOC or any of the other the Democratic party that is working to destroy the United States of America.
YES PLEASE CALL ME THE POLAR OPPOSITE
You really need to learn you do not sway people to your side by only attacking the guy you don't like.
Vanilla points out that he very much dislikes Senator Lee but with the way you continually attacking Lee in the name of McMullin even he was considering voting for Lee.
Again point out how I am a PARTISAN HACK?
 
McMuffin hasn't held any office or had to cast a single vote for any policy one way or the other. He can say whatever he wants about being a blah blah blah independent... but his actions and the actions of his donors say otherwise. He's almost solely supported by the democrat party & democrat operatives. He's a product of the CIA with extremely questionable motives. He supports Beto O'Rourke and approves of Beto's world view & supports Beto's policies. Peter Strozk, of one of the most partisan & despicable FBI employees ever - supports and donated to McMuffin's campaign... tells me all I need to know. They want you to think you'll get an independent voice in McDreamy that will buck both parties, in reality you'll get a partisan rubber stamp for Biden/Schumer... otherwise they wouldn't pour money into getting him elected. Dems suk but they ain't dumb.
 
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McMuffin hasn't held any office or had to cast a single vote for any policy one way or the other. He can say whatever he wants about being a blah blah blah independent... but his actions and the actions of his donors say otherwise. He's almost solely supported by the democrat party & democrat operatives. He's a product of the CIA with extremely questionable motives. He supports Beto O'Rourke and approves of Beto's world view & supports Beto's policies. Peter Strozk, of one of the most partisan & despicable FBI employees ever - supports and donated to McMuffin's campaign... tells me all I need to know. They want you to think you'll get an independent voice in McDreamy that will buck both parties, in reality you'll get a partisan rubber stamp for Biden/Schumer... otherwise they wouldn't pour money into getting him elected. Dems suk but they ain't dumb.
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During the debate he said he is “pro-life”. Wouldn’t have supported the $1.9 trillion Covid package. Agreed with Lee spending is out of control. Has in the past criticized Donald Trump for not saying Roe v Wade should be overturned…but sure…a total Democrat. I get reality is hard to grasp in the partisan world politics, but what you’re saying is not backed by facts. He’s not a Democrat….in fact he’s been a life long Republican lol. This is probably the biggest leftist I follow on Twitter for the state, and let me tell you…..they do not like McMullin any more than Lee lol Guess why?….he’s a conservative and they know it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582173415435223040
 
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Oneye
I am a partisan hack, because I say I am voting for Lee
I want you to point out one comment that was a partisan comment from me.
Yes I said I back Senator Lee on the LWCF vote and I will always support a vote that does not allow permanent funding for most any thing that involves government spending or worse bureaucrat. I also said I do not support Senator Lee's public land stance either.
You stated I am the polar opposite of the leftists, if that is saying I do not support the Biden administration in any way then yes I am the polar opposite. .
If that is saying I do not support Senator Schumer, Senator Feinstein, Senator Waters or Pelosi, or AOC or any of the other the Democratic party that is working to destroy the United States of America.
YES PLEASE CALL ME THE POLAR OPPOSITE
You really need to learn you do not sway people to your side by only attacking the guy you don't like.
Vanilla points out that he very much dislikes Senator Lee but with the way you continually attacking Lee in the name of McMullin even he was considering voting for Lee.
Again point out how I am a PARTISAN HACK?
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Read your post. It’s entirely partisan. Who was the last Democrat, or non-Republican you’ve voted for? I support the Great American Outdoors Act Trump signed. I’ll support the Recovering Americas Wildlife Act if Joe Biden signs it. I don’t care who does good or bad things. They deserve credit when they do good, and criticism when they do bad. Not every conservative policy is bad or good, not every liberal policy is bad or good. I’ll look at each, not make a totally partisan decision based on rhetoric.
 
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The GAOA had two parts too it that is one of the biggest problems with Washington politics they tie a bad bill into a good bill. If the LWCF had to stand on its own it probably would not have got through
Keep preaching your BS you got one fool believing yourself, that is you.
 
notdonhunting said:
The GAOA had two parts too it that is one of the biggest problems with Washington politics they tie a bad bill into a good bill. If the LWCF had to stand on its own it probably would not have got through
Keep preaching your BS you got one fool believing yourself, that is you.
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LWCF would have gotten fully and permanently funded during this moment because there was a broad variety of organizations and politicians that supported it, and the fund has been getting robbed from and never fully funded since it was created. As I’ve mentioned before EVERY sportsman conservation organization from SFW, BHA, to RMEF, Pheasants Forever, Ducks Unlimited, Delta Waterfowl, etc, etc, etc. SUPPORTED fully funding and permanent authorization of LWCF, why? Because it’s good for wildlife. Good for wild places. Good for Sportsmen, and good for the country. I am FULLY happy and supportive the GAOA passed and was signed by Trump, and I’ll be FULLY happy if the Recovering Americas Wildlife Act is passed and signed by Biden which is also supported by those groups as well. My only partisanship is to clean air, water, public lands, and abundant wildlife and wild places. If you want to fight over buzz words and political punch lines, be my guest. I’ll support good policies and measures, and criticize bad ones. I’ll vote for reasonable candidates and not the ones with a letter next to their name being my reasoning.

PS, you didn’t answer my question.
 
Oneye said:
LWCF would have gotten fully and permanently funded during this moment because there was a broad variety of organizations and politicians that supported it, and the fund has been getting robbed from and never fully funded since it was created. As I’ve mentioned before EVERY sportsman conservation organization from SFW, BHA, to RMEF, Pheasants Forever, Ducks Unlimited, Delta Waterfowl, etc, etc, etc. SUPPORTED fully funding and permanent authorization of LWCF, why? Because it’s good for wildlife. Good for wild places. Good for Sportsmen, and good for the country. I am FULLY happy and supportive the GAOA passed and was signed by Trump, and I’ll be FULLY happy if the Recovering Americas Wildlife Act is passed and signed by Biden which is also supported by those groups as well. My only partisanship is to clean air, water, public lands, and abundant wildlife and wild places. If you want to fight over buzz words and political punch lines, be my guest. I’ll support good policies and measures, and criticize bad ones. I’ll vote for reasonable candidates and not the ones with a letter next to their name being my reasoning.

PS, you didn’t answer my question.
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Oneye,

The problem with independent candidates is they keep identifying as independent on the ballot. They need to pick a side McMullin should have put himself on the republican ticket. What is BS about politics is that the 3rd party will never win. And these 3rd party candidates in some cases could win but they gotta get that independent chest thump. Bottom line we need to get rid of PACs and try to get better local level politicians coming up the ranks. Politicians that care about public lands, CRT, actually balancing a budget,
lowering taxes, term limits needs to be the bottom line and first step in modern politics IMO., then we can eliminate their other abusive practices.
 
PS, you didn’t answer my question.
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I proudly say I have voted for only one Democrat in my voting life and he was a local that was running for Sheriff.
Call me partisan, call me far right wing, say I am the problem with politics of today I really don't care. I have always found Republicans as the candidates for me.
 
notdonhunting said:
PS, you didn’t answer my question.
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I proudly say I have voted for only one Democrat in my voting life and he was a local that was running for Sheriff.
Call me partisan, call me far right wing, say I am the problem with politics of today I really don't care. I have always found Republicans as the candidates for me.
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You got me beat......I guess I'm a proud super hack....
 
wstrntines said:
Oneye,

The problem with independent candidates is they keep identifying as independent on the ballot. They need to pick a side McMullin should have put himself on the republican ticket. What is BS about politics is that the 3rd party will never win. And these 3rd party candidates in some cases could win but they gotta get that independent chest thump. Bottom line we need to get rid of PACs and try to get better local level politicians coming up the ranks. Politicians that care about public lands, CRT, actually balancing a budget,
lowering taxes, term limits needs to be the bottom line and first step in modern politics IMO., then we can eliminate their other abusive practices.
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Lol, this is the exact attitude and reason the two major political parties feel they can and do do whatever they want. You’re convincing yourself of that. Nothing scares the GOP or Democrats more than if they do start losing to reasonable, 3rd party candidates. All we do is swing back and forth to which parties dictator is the flavor for the election cycle. For the pendulum to stop swinging so violently, and the country starting to come apart at it’s fabric, we’re gonna have to start electing reasonable, not totally partisan candidates who can think with reason, not rhetoric.
 
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PS, you didn’t answer my question.
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I proudly say I have voted for only one Democrat in my voting life and he was a local that was running for Sheriff.
Call me partisan, call me far right wing, say I am the problem with politics of today I really don't care. I have always found Republicans as the candidates for me.
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I’ve voted for plenty of each major parties as well as plenty of 3rd party candidates. I don’t think one side or the other has a monopoly on good or bad ideas or good or bad rhetoric. There are good conservative policies beneficial to our country, there are also good liberal policies beneficial to our country. But yes, those of you I’ve said are totally partisan…..have proven yourselves to be……totally partisan.
 
Oneye said:
Lol, this is the exact attitude and reason the two major political parties feel they can and do do whatever they want. You’re convincing yourself of that. Nothing scares the GOP or Democrats more than if they do start losing to reasonable, 3rd party candidates. All we do is swing back and forth to which parties dictator is the flavor for the election cycle. For the pendulum to stop swinging so violently, and the country starting to come apart at it’s fabric, we’re gonna have to start electing reasonable, not totally partisan candidates who can think with reason, not rhetoric.
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Yeah and they never win you know why else because people a bunch of people in their base say stupid sh!t like I shouldn’t pay any taxes or there shouldn’t be any law enforcement. Yeah taxes are a joke at the rate we are taxed we could definitely pay a lot less and we have to have rules. You should run as an independent for office then. Until the PACS are dismantled, the maximum donation is cut way down, term limits are in place and corporations investing in campaigns are gone you won’t have a 3rd party candidate in Washington. The only other option is our government gets overthrown and it starts back at the constitution. That’s what your left with until then vote out any worthless career politician.
 
wstrntines said:
Yeah and they never win you know why else because people a bunch of people in their base say stupid sh!t like I shouldn’t pay any taxes or there shouldn’t be any law enforcement. Yeah taxes are a joke at the rate we are taxed we could definitely pay a lot less and we have to have rules. You should run as an independent for office then. Until the PACS are dismantled, the maximum donation is cut way down, term limits are in place and corporations investing in campaigns are gone you won’t have a 3rd party candidate in Washington. The only other option is our government gets overthrown and it starts back at the constitution. That’s what your left with until then vote out any worthless career politician.
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I would say, I agree with plenty of what you're saying here. But this race, currently in the state is a prime example of partisanship and how the major parties are terrified of losing to someone without their letter next to their name when they have a monopoly on power in a given area. You watch moderate GOP members in the state give very very weak endorsements of Lee because well....people like Cox, Herbert, Romney, etc. don't really want to endorse Lee so they've largely stayed out of it. Cox gave the quietest endorsement he could in passing at some GOP meeting, and that's all he's said on the matter. Then you have the total partisans who call a life long conservative a Democrat, well....because it's all they got. Even though he's on record multiple times being really conservative on a variety of issues. Btw, he's not the perfect candidate, I understand that. But I think Lee has been a pretty bad Senator, especially in regards to things I really enjoy, and Lee losing this race would be a huge middle finger to partisan extremism in the state and also across the nation. If McMullin somehow did pull out this race, it would shock the system quite a bit.
 
Oneye said:
I would say, I agree with plenty of what you're saying here. But this race, currently in the state is a prime example of partisanship and how the major parties are terrified of losing to someone without their letter next to their name when they have a monopoly on power in a given area. You watch moderate GOP members in the state give very very weak endorsements of Lee because well....people like Cox, Herbert, Romney, etc. don't really want to endorse Lee so they've largely stayed out of it. Cox gave the quietest endorsement he could in passing at some GOP meeting, and that's all he's said on the matter. Then you have the total partisans who call a life long conservative a Democrat, well....because it's all they got. Even though he's on record multiple times being really conservative on a variety of issues. Btw, he's not the perfect candidate, I understand that. But I think Lee has been a pretty bad Senator, especially in regards to things I really enjoy, and Lee losing this race would be a huge middle finger to partisan extremism in the state and also across the nation. If McMullin somehow did pull out this race, it would shock the system quite a bit.
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Oneye if McMullin would have kept Trumps name out of his mouth he very well could win but I think that gets him in the end and saves Lee. But if he wins so be it and I’ll give him a fair shake. But if he’s a turd like the rest of these career hacks then we’ll hold his feet to the fire.
 
Oneye said:
I proudly say I have voted for only one Democrat in my voting life and he was a local that was running for Sheriff.
Call me partisan, call me far right wing, say I am the problem with politics of today I really don't care. I have always found Republicans as the candidates for me.
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I’ve voted for plenty of each major parties as well as plenty of 3rd party candidates. I don’t think one side or the other has a monopoly on good or bad ideas or good or bad rhetoric. There are good conservative policies beneficial to our country, there are also good liberal policies beneficial to our country. But yes, those of you I’ve said are totally partisan…..have proven yourselves to be……totally partisan.
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You still have not pointed out one partisan comment from me before post# 373.
So you was attacking me as a partisan hack without any knowledge.
Again I ask you to show me one comment before post# 373 that made me a partisan hack?
Answer the question.
 
wstrntines said:
Oneye if McMullin would have kept Trumps name out of his mouth he very well could win but I think that gets him in the end and saves Lee. But if he wins so be it and I’ll give him a fair shake. But if he’s a turd like the rest of these career hacks then we’ll hold his feet to the fire.
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I actually think Trump is an issue for a lot of moderates in the state. It's why he got less than 50% of the vote in 2016 when McMullin ran. McMullin pulled Trump under 50% in the state because there's a lot of Utahn's who do not like the guy who are moderate Republicans and Independents. Clinton got like 35%....the 21% who voted for McMullin were Republicans and Independents that did not like Trump. If it was Mitt Romney vs Mike Lee in a general election in the state Romney would beat him by a decent margin. McMullin pounds the Trump issue because that's the lane. Have you noticed how Lee wants nothing to do with tying himself to Trump during this race? It's because they're both going for the moderate/independent voters who are conservative, but not Trumpy who could swing their vote either way. It's why Lee is begging for Romney's endorsement and denying he ever tried to help Trump do anything or even mention him. In fact, its been reported a couple times Lee's campaign would prefer Trump stay totally out of this race.
 
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I got my ballot in the mail today. So let me do my closing statement. If you truly feel Mike Lee represents you, vote for him. But as you look at your ballot with 2 conservative choices on it, take a moment and think about all the beneficial bills Mike Lee has voted against for hunters, the outdoors, wildlife, and wild places. Think of how many bills he's introduced and statements he's made that show really clearly, he'd have an auctioneer, selling off your favorite wild places to out of state millionaires who will simply put up a gate and a no trespassing sign in front of them. It's already happened in places like Montana on wide swaths of land thats been sold over the last decade. Think of the fact you can simply make a guy who wants to be a career politician pay for his votes against you, and end his career as a politician at 2 terms, which should quite honestly be the case for every politician, and replace him with another conservative. Over a decade is enough time as Senator. Utah's vote would become so much more influential and we'd have a Senator who would work for Utah, doesn't have the same record of attacking public lands and conservation to the extent Lee does, and would be in conversations on legislation for the state. Voting no, isn't all you can ever do. Time for change, and with that I'll fill out my bubble.
 
Oneye said:
I got my ballot in the mail today. So let me do my closing statement. If you truly feel Mike Lee represents you, vote for him. But as you look at your ballot with 2 conservative choices on it, take a moment and think about all the beneficial bills Mike Lee has voted against for hunters, the outdoors, wildlife, and wild places. Think of how many bills he's introduced and statements he's made that show really clearly, he'd have an auctioneer, selling off your favorite wild places to out of state millionaires who will simply put up a gate and a no trespassing sign in front of them. It's already happened in places like Montana on wide swaths of land thats been sold over the last decade. Think of the fact you can simply make a guy who wants to be a career politician pay for his votes against you, and end his career as a politician at 2 terms, which should quite honestly be the case for every politician, and replace him with another conservative. Over a decade is enough time as Senator. Utah's vote would become so much more influential and we'd have a Senator who would work for Utah, doesn't have the same record of attacking public lands and conservation to the extent Lee does, and would be in conversations on legislation for the state. Voting no, isn't all you can ever do. Time for change, and with that I'll fill out my bubble.
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I will vote for the "conservative" that didn't vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

I recommend the rest of you do the same.
 
Anyone that thinks McDreamy won't caucus with the Dems & do exactly what Biden/Schumer/Pelosi tells him to do is disingenuous... which is exactly why they are funding his campaign. Trump had a bunch of crappy people in his cabinet during his tenure, but Robert O'Brien wasn't one of them.

www.deseret.com

Opinion: Why I’m supporting Mike Lee

Everyone in Washington knows that Utah’s senior senator is guided by the Constitution, no matter who the president is and what party is in charge
www.deseret.com www.deseret.com
 
JakeH said:
I will vote for the "conservative" that didn't vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

I recommend the rest of you do the same.
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McMullin during the debate in regards to that:

“Well Senator Lee I think we’ve both had our issues with the quality of candidates we’ve had as choices at the Presidential level in recent years. If you recall in 2016, you voted for me.”
 
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Homer said:
Are you concerned at all who controls the Senate??
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He’s not concerned about anything but his own selfish desires, else why would he be so condescending and arrogant towards everyone else? He hasn’t thought that far down the road, to him control of the senate isn’t important, he wants more of the destruction, to him it’s ok to run as an independent, get all your funding from democrats, and vote for the current President. And then try to convince everyone that it’s for the good of all.
 
Homer said:
Are you concerned at all who controls the Senate??
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I’m done here. I’m not at all concerned that McMullin is anything than a Republican vote the vast majority of the time.
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He’s not concerned about anything but his own selfish desires, else why would he be so condescending and arrogant towards everyone else? He hasn’t thought that far down the road, to him control of the senate isn’t important, he wants more of the destruction, to him it’s ok to run as an independent, get all your funding from democrats, and vote for the current President. And then try to convince everyone that it’s for the good of all.
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No. I simply have dug into McMullins past and his current more than a lot of you simply listening to political rhetoric from a campaign who can’t do anything but try and paint the guy he voted for 6 years ago as a Democrat when he knows 100% he is not. McMullin is conservative. He’ll vote with (and even caucus with at some point imo) Republicans as much as Mike Lee, but simply doesn’t have the record of attacking public lands and conservation every chance he gets. The idea McMullin is a Democrat is laughable, so laughable, the guy some of you are voting against yourselves for partisan reasons voted for him 6 years ago. Btw, not all his funding is coming from Democrats. It’s a shitty argument to say “this person from the other party supports them, they must be bad”. No…I don’t follow along such a partisan line of thinking. Control of the Senate isn’t in the balance. McMullin is and has always been a conservative Republican. You can take your Club for Growth talking points and spout them as much as you want, it doesn’t make them true.
 
Oneye said:
I got my ballot in the mail today. So let me do my closing statement. If you truly feel Mike Lee represents you, vote for him. But as you look at your ballot with 2 conservative choices on it, take a moment and think about all the beneficial bills Mike Lee has voted against for hunters, the outdoors, wildlife, and wild places. Think of how many bills he's introduced and statements he's made that show really clearly, he'd have an auctioneer, selling off your favorite wild places to out of state millionaires who will simply put up a gate and a no trespassing sign in front of them. It's already happened in places like Montana on wide swaths of land thats been sold over the last decade. Think of the fact you can simply make a guy who wants to be a career politician pay for his votes against you, and end his career as a politician at 2 terms, which should quite honestly be the case for every politician, and replace him with another conservative. Over a decade is enough time as Senator. Utah's vote would become so much more influential and we'd have a Senator who would work for Utah, doesn't have the same record of attacking public lands and conservation to the extent Lee does, and would be in conversations on legislation for the state. Voting no, isn't all you can ever do. Time for change, and with that I'll fill out my bubble.
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A guy like Romney isn’t conservative. He has never done anything fiscally conservative. All Romney has done was helped his boy come wreck Tooele counties property taxes. All those pretty tilt ups will be filled with blood sucking corporations in the space. They’ll pay nothing in taxes like Walmart DC and Bass Pro have. The roads and schools will still suck. And guess what farming and ranching will disappear. And yet the county has the nerve to increase property tax with a falling real estate market. And any state or county politician who sat back and allowed the world’s largest economy be shut down and destroyed isn’t conservative or independent. They are treasonous uni-party hacks. They should be tried and hung for what they allowed Romney, Herbert, Cox ect.
 

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