well it was a fast and furious hunt left the truck about 5:30 walked in the dark for 20 minutes stood in the dark for 20 minutes walked in the light for 10 minutes had a 5x5 bull at 30 yards staring right at me would not present a shot he decided to run off walked another 15 minutes and had a 6x4 walk right in front of me and stopped at 35 yards .I new I hit him a little back so I gave him about 30 minutes then hit the blood trail not a lot at first then it went to less......found him piled up under a pine tree about 75 yard from where i shot him the shot was back but during gutting saw that it sliced the liver game over.it is now 9:03 pm all meat has been packed out and in the cooler it was just a great day never saw another hunter and the boy got to use the pack frame for the first time I will post some pictures sunday just to tired tonight