WestDesert
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How are the antelope doing this year on the Parker Mountain / Plateau area? Are the numbers starting to trend upward?
They have antelope on Parker Mountain again?
One of the absolutely worst management gaffs in the history of management gaffs took place on that unit to see where it was just a decade ago to where it is today.
Seriously? Seriously? You have no fricking idea bud, no idea. If you believe that………. it’s no wonder you support the bureaucracy. It’s being repeated on every mule deer unit in the State and has been for 40 years. Throw in the Fish Lake elk blue light specials……… and the antlerless mule deer tags…….. need I go on?They have antelope on Parker Mountain again?
One of the absolutely worst management gaffs in the history of management gaffs took place on that unit to see where it was just a decade ago to where it is today.
Seriously? Seriously? You have no fricking idea bud, no idea. If you believe that………. it’s no wonder you support the bureaucracy. It’s being repeated on every mule deer unit in the State and has been for 40 years.
Seriously? Seriously? You have no fricking idea bud, no idea. If you believe that………. it’s no wonder you support the bureaucracy. It’s being repeated on every mule deer unit in the State and has been for 40 years. Throw in the Fish Lake elk blue light specials……… and the antlerless mule deer tags…….. need I go on?
You mean we moved deer of a unit in the state to another unit?
Which ones? Where did they go?
You and Bess trying to score a cheap point, forgetting the WHY, as usual
Once Again You Are Full of BULLSSHIT Hossy!
Maybe You Can Just Argue With Everybody!
Maybe Make A Trip Down To Parker Mountain & Tell Us All How Well The Antelope Are Doing?
Oh,And Tell Us All What A Great Job The DWR Has Done On The Management Of That Unit?
Waiting To Hear More Of You BS Excuses!
What happened to the Parker Mountain Antelope herd? | Utah
The Parker mountain Antelope herd has declined to the point that there is no longer a hunt in that area. How did the largest herd in the state, become almost nonexistent? The game and fish trapped many of them for transplant. They had doe hunts in large numbers. Was that the cause? Wondering...www.monstermuleys.info
I Didn't Have To Wait Long For You BS Excuses!
So?
Transplanted To Death Didn't Have Anything To Do With The DWR's Management That You Are So Proud Of?
Carry On With Your BS!
So it isn't a conspiracy to destroy hunting so DWR can sit in their offices not doing anything?
Sucks being the DWR. Youre expected to look 2-3 years into the future to know the weather, and adjust accordingly. I mean EVERYONE knew last winter was coming, just the dumazzes at DWR could see it.
If your Kevin Eubank, you can't see 2-3 hours ahead.
I'm guessing, had they known extreme drought was going to take over, they might of throttled back on moving goats?
So?Why'd they transport?
Get to the WHY.
Gawd I sure hope when someone calls you for plumbing you don't walk in and say "yup, it's leaking", then drive off. Hopefully you address the WHY at some point
They catch them in the winter. Hard to guess what next summer looks like?Well Then Why TF Didn't They Do It Then?
So?
That's What I've Been Doing Wrong!
First unwritten rule of a bureaucracy, “Never, ever, waste a crisis.” They thrive on that rule. The propaganda departments of old establish bureaucracies pay handsome salaries to their writers and public communications specialists.I'm pretty sure that when we started moving them in tge mid 2000's, the data showed that herd to be one of tge most fertile and productive herds in tge nation.
So we started using it as a nursery to stock underachieving units in Utah.
I seem to remember trading speedgoats fir turkeys and sheep as well.
There was talk about the higher elevation and higher moisture availability being the catalyst for huge birth rates.
Seems like extreme drought caught the herd.Easy to armchair qb now that the DWR "should have known".
Yes, I've had that tag several times over the years,. Cattle ranchers were dumping cows because of drought, a lot of the water there is thanks to ranchers, so it's not too surprising the wildlife struggled as well
Yep, fair reaction.I don't even know what this means.
I do know, that if you use "they" to make a point, your point wasn't that great to start with.
Where EXACTLY am I wrong? I'm happy to learn, but tge tinfoil hat, Alex Jones BS of the hidden hand behind every event, gets tiresome, no?
Who, exactly, are "they", and more importantly what was tge goal of the conspirators?
The decline of the Parker Mountain antelope herd was 100%, I repeat 100% the responsibility of the DWR system, it was not the failure or incompetence of any one individual at the DWR, it was their systemic incompetent management philosophy.
DWR issued tags that their azz couldn’t cash… Therefore you have the Parker mountain antelope failure… Soon to be followed by our mule deer…
Look at the state wide antelope plan. Antelope hunting in Utah is going down. Managing the whole state as wanting the average age antelope to be 2-3 year old antelope harvested . The last few years they have been raising tag numbers in almost ever unit to reach that goal. Saying antelope reach maturity at 2-3 years of age, maybe breeding maturity but not trophy maturity. Why not some different age units like other species? No many 15+” antelope at 2-3 years of age. Every unit I’ve been on the last few years is downward spiraling.Right On Tikka!
Waiting For Hossy To Argue!
Right On Tikka!
Waiting For Hossy To Argue!
Ive actually had that tag Bess. But if you think shooting bucks on that unit is what caused the issue, I don't know what to tell you. The Parker has a doe problem, as in they shot too many, and transported too many.
Do you see the pattern? The UT fish and game are famous for doing stupid **** with our resource. Sell/trade/kill any herd that get past there jacked up/half assed management. Ogden moose, willard mtn goats. Are just a few. But guess what? They don't care..... look at WLH....
The moose was 100% transplants.I won't defend the doe tags.
But there are sheep and turkey hunters as well as units with antelope that didn't have them that might not agree with that take.
But you can't blame moose on DWR. That's a climate thing, like it or not
The moose was 100% transplants.
What unit did the goats go? What did we trade for sheep? Moose for turkeys...great choice there.
Ogden moose took a major dive when they moved a bunch of moose for turkeys
Willard mtn goats were decimated by nanny hunts and a bunch they moved off.
Never heard of lopes for sheep
Who the hell cares about turkeys?
Again, more flaws in your facts. We caught a pile of moose and shipped them off in 2008ish to become wolf food. I can’t remember what state(s) ended up with them, but they didn’t last long. The DWR is 100% to blame for the moose. And they are 100% to blame for the Parker pronghorn disaster.I won't defend the doe tags.
But there are sheep and turkey hunters as well as units with antelope that didn't have them that might not agree with that take.
But you can't blame moose on DWR. That's a climate thing, like it or not
Kind if funny that the ogden moose were never a problem in residential or made it to any highway. They cleaned out the whole north fork herd despite the residents wanting them to be left alone. Drink your koolaid."This transplant operation is to move these moose out of areas where they would eventually show up in residential areas and on highways." That's been a problem in this area. So, to help thin the herd some, Utah is sending these moose to Western Colorado, where they'll have more room to roam." KSL
Hey dumb dumb, I said 2008-ISH. Excuse me for not knowing the exact day they rounded them up.The "flaw in my facts" is that it was 2009, not 2008 just for starters. Second, the transports were for the same reason turkeys get shot in the fall, they are a nuisance.
"This transplant operation is to move these moose out of areas where they would eventually show up in residential areas and on highways." That's been a problem in this area. So, to help thin the herd some, Utah is sending these moose to Western Colorado, where they'll have more room to roam." KSL
Now, I know, "management". Because the DWR gets to dictate roads, and subdivisions as part of their strategy?
As to Parker
Prolific Parker Mountain pronghorn populate Utah
Parker Mountain, Wayne County • Perhaps the jackalope really does exist.www.sltrib.com
The Prolific Pronghorn of Utah's Parker Mountain - YouTube htthistory-and-facts-about-utah-antelopes
History and facts about Utah antelopes
The original range of the pronghorn in Utah was in the foothills and lower valleys of the state.www.deseret.com
I could decipher it for you, but rather than actually read anything, I'm sure you'll jump again to something else.
Hey dumb dumb, I said 2008-ISH. Excuse me for not knowing the exact day they rounded them up.
So we ship utah moose across state lines instead of supplementing another utah herd somewhere else? Great work! ?
Kind if funny that the ogden moose were never a problem in residential or made it to any highway. They cleaned out the whole north fork herd despite the residents wanting them to be left alone. Drink your koolaid.
The willard mtn goat is the prime example of the idiots at the UDWR.
Trade ANYTHING for a turkey is pretty stupid.
They actually did acquire a pretty dang nice custom UC airboat around that time….Always state "facts" with "ish" behind it?
I'm sure we got nothing for them. DWR probably sold them to buy a boat?
Again, more flaws in your facts. We caught a pile of moose and shipped them off in 2008ish to become wolf food. I can’t remember what state(s) ended up with them, but they didn’t last long. The DWR is 100% to blame for the moose.
Really you are claiming hossblur facts are wrong, and you get the year wrong and you know the moose got ate by wolf's but you can not remember the state.
??????
What a tool
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