Race and Hunting. Colorado..

JPickett said:
Hey, hey….hey. We’re trying to talk about real serious stuff here like how buzz even is ok with a Chinese!! You could really learn something from that guy
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So, your profiling told you my Asian American neighbors are "Chinese"?

They would probably take exception to your wrong-headed stereotype.
 
RELH said:
Bottom line, race should not even enter the picture. How about equal opportunity for all. This division by race is used by Democrats in order to divide and conquer.
RELH
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How can it not enter the picture when Hispanic and other people of color are the ones that have no equal opportunity to the outdoors to start with? Even Wiszard understands that minority communities don't have the resources for inclusion into outdoor activities.

Nothing in the CDOW program excludes anyone, I've posted it twice.

Need me to post it again?
 
BuzzH said:
Ok, third times a charm. I knew you would get it right eventually.

No, I work in the field solo so have no guys/gals I work with living close to me. My nearest coworker lives 5.5 hours from me.

I don't think its just coincidence that communities of mostly one race are separated. I also don't believe its simply financial either, but certainly in some cases is a contributing factor.

Why do you seem so quick to want to put people into boxes of your own convenience?

I'll give you a hint, it doesn't work.
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See, there's the problem...you work in the field, not fields. I thought you were putting yourself in the mix with the laborers...my bad.

I don't put people in a box but I think we can all agree that to some extent, that is just how it is. I see it less with blue collar folks compared to the lesser haves and the have mores of the world.

Let me tell you why, in my area, living together doesn't work. We had a family, actually 2 families living in a home next to us. One family lived in the house and one lived in the garage. Sheriffs needed to be called out on multiple occasions due to the fecal matter found between the two homes. My parents soon moved to where they, my sister and I live now. Sometimes it comes down to HOW people live in a community that creates the separation. I don't think your neighbors are going to sh!t outside and not use toilet paper. Our city flourished with business...the entire city. Now, 35 years later because of the farming, half of the strip malls are vacant, the restaurants have closed down and it is simply because of the demographic. Its all fine and dandy as we don't have a need to go to that part of town anymore but separation is just created due to an influx of people...a certain type of person. There's nothing wrong with it...it just happens slowly over time. I have neighbors that are farmers and I love it when they bring over freshly picked strawberries and black berries. I never got that where my parents lived. I hope that doesn't make me a racist.
 
JPickett said:
I mean if I lived next to a basketball coach i don’t know if I could even sleep at night!! Id be so a scared all the time. Teach us buzz! Teach us to be good people!!!
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Can't do it, you are who you are and have to live with it. Not me and for that I'm thankful.
 
BuzzH said:
What's next? Bringing back separate drinking fountains?

I couldn't give a chit less who I live around as long as they're not closed minded bigots.

Plenty of "country folk" I'd rather not live within 50 miles of, and as long as the hiphop city goer's are good people, I have no problem having them for neighbors.

I have a pretty diverse neighborhood and for the most part, all are good people. Really enjoyed having the UW head basketball coach as a neighbor, he and his wife were great people. His Son, also a basketball coach at UW lived in the house behind us, good guy as well. Executive Director of the Wyoming Golf Association and his wife live across the street, Wyoming Natives, good people. Another neighbor is from Canada and member of the LGBTQ community, great neighbor. Retired couple from ND live on the same block, great people. Have 3 different Asian American couples as neighbors, great people. Orthopedic surgeon lives behind us, he's not the best neighbor.
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Bigots, really Buzz?
 
Wiszard said:
See, there's the problem...you work in the field, not fields. I thought you were putting yourself in the mix with the laborers...my bad.

I don't put people in a box but I think we can all agree that to some extent, that is just how it is. I see it less with blue collar folks compared to the lesser haves and the have mores of the world.

Let me tell you why, in my area, living together doesn't work. We had a family, actually 2 families living in a home next to us. One family lived in the house and one lived in the garage. Sheriffs needed to be called out on multiple occasions due to the fecal matter found between the two homes. My parents soon moved to where they, my sister and I live now. Sometimes it comes down to HOW people live in a community that creates the separation. I don't think your neighbors are going to sh!t outside and not use toilet paper. Our city flourished with business...the entire city. Now, 35 years later because of the farming, half of the strip malls are vacant, the restaurants have closed down and it is simply because of the demographic. Its all fine and dandy as we don't have a need to go to that part of town anymore but separation is just created due to an influx of people...a certain type of person. There's nothing wrong with it...it just happens slowly over time. I have neighbors that are farmers and I love it when they bring over freshly picked strawberries and black berries. I never got that where my parents lived. I hope that doesn't make me a racist.
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I thought demographics weren't important?

Finally has come full circle, exactly why the CDOW is collecting the data on the form in question.

Guess demographics really are important after all.

You made the case, thank you.
 
BuzzH said:
How can it not enter the picture when Hispanic and other people of color are the ones that have no equal opportunity to the outdoors to start with? Even Wiszard understands that minority communities don't have the resources for inclusion into outdoor activities.

Nothing in the CDOW program excludes anyone, I've posted it twice.

Need me to post it again?
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You don’t need to post it again, we read it twice……… but you know you didn’t mention or refer to the whole truth….. did you.

It’s always the details Buzz, always the details, just as the Inflation Reduction Act. Without the details the title is written to hide the whole truth.
 
2lumpy said:
You don’t need to post it again, we read it twice……… but you know you didn’t mention or refer to the whole truth….. did you.

It’s always the details Buzz, always the details, just as the Inflation Reduction Act. Without the details the title is written to hide the whole truth.
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Your conspiracy, make it as big as you want.

Even if it not there, except in your imagination and pretend.
 
BuzzH said:
Wrong, I just don't care who my neighbors are as long as they're not like you, and Homer.
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What about baseball coaches?!? Tennis coach? My word even a soccer coach?!!! You sir are a shining example of true inclusion! Wow, even brave enough to live in a culturally diverse state like Wyoming! Your basically the AOC of the west and not a D bag at all
 
BuzzH said:
Your conspiracy, make it as big as you want.

Even if it not there, except in your imagination and pretend.
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Truth Buzz…. I hope it is just my conspiracy and that your right. Nothing would make me happier and give great hope.

So why did they need to add that extra paragraph if they where not intending to narrow the field. It’s not as if they don’t have other “selective” programs in govt programs. Are they simply stirring the pot for the pleasure of it. I think not, I think they are stating a very clear intent on where they intend to distribute the 1.3 million. It’s a message to certain groups to apply and a message to other groups not to bother.
 
BuzzH said:
You missed the one while you were shaving this morning?
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Homer lives in California. There’s way more “basketball coaches” ( wink, right? You know, code word) then in Wyoming. I’m pretty sure if you check with your party handler they’ll tell you Wyoming folk are not aloud to question California residents wokeness
 
BuzzH said:
I thought demographics weren't important?

Finally has come full circle, exactly why the CDOW is collecting the data on the form in question.

Guess demographics really are important after all.

You made the case, thank you.
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Demographics and financial status sometimes go hand in hand depending on the particulars. C'mon, Buzz, you are not that naive.
 
JPickett said:
Homer lives in California. There’s way more “basketball coaches” ( wink, right? You know, code word) then in Wyoming. I’m pretty sure if you check with your party handler they’ll tell you Wyoming folk are not aloud to question California residents wokeness
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We created woke...... all other states need to reconize!!
 
Wiszard said:
Demographics and financial status sometimes go hand in hand depending on the particulars. C'mon, Buzz, you are not that naive.
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Oh, really? Exactly why the CDOW is collecting the data...because financial status and demographics sometimes go hand in hand.

Thank you for making the same point why they're collecting the data. I agree with this post of yours.
 
2lumpy said:
Truth Buzz…. I hope it is just my conspiracy and that your right. Nothing would make me happier and give great hope.

So why did they need to add that extra paragraph if they where not intending to narrow the field. It’s not as if they don’t have other “selective” programs in govt programs. Are they simply stirring the pot for the pleasure of it. I think not, I think they are stating a very clear intent on where they intend to distribute the 1.3 million. It’s a message to certain groups to apply and a message to other groups not to bother.
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Did you look at the list of the grants and who is applying for them?

Please point out who is "not bothering" to apply.

Facts matter.
 
JPickett said:
Homer lives in California. There’s way more “basketball coaches” ( wink, right? You know, code word) then in Wyoming. I’m pretty sure if you check with your party handler they’ll tell you Wyoming folk are not aloud to question California residents wokeness
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allowed
 
JPickett said:
It’s we’ll know Christopher Columbus stole woke from the native America people. Come on wizard are you even listening to what buzz is saying? He lives next to a basketball coach for Gods sake!!! Listen to this man
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Get with the program Homer, before I have to say "You're fired!".
 
BuzzH said:
Then how do you know that certain groups "are not bothering to apply?"
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I don’t….. I said they wrote it that way with that intent. Hey…… this my conspiracy, remember.

You check the list of applicants after they distribute the money and let me know. But……. Don’t be fooled by applicants name titles, don’t get catch in one of those “Inflation Reduction Act” kinds of naming skims.
 
Somehow I have this sneaky suspicion that BuzzH will write in
"Bernie Sanders" in 2024. Look at all his posts and the word "socialist" comes to mind.
RELH
 
JPickett said:
I bet blue will be able to tell me if its racist.

What kinda info you need blue? Picture? Dimensions? It’s been seal coated, that make it more racist or does it seal some of the racism in? I gotta know. I really hope it’s not one of those white nationalist roads. Those ones sound scary
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Well, there is black paving and white paving. If you send me a picture of what goes in front of your compound I could start guessing about your demographic peculiarities.

We’ve already assertained who wipes feces on your outhouses, so the picture is starting to come into focus a bit.

But I don’t want to hijack the thread. Say, I wonder if CO is the only state that does this?
 
Bluehair said:
But I don’t want to hijack the thread. Say, I wonder if CO is the only state that does this?
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By does this- do you mean perform outreach programs, or collecting a lot of demographics data about applicants?

I haven't seen anything on demographics questions beyond the norm in my Wyo or AZ hunt applications.

And honestly haven't seen anything about reaching out to communities that aren't aware of hunting as an opportunity.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
By does this- do you mean perform outreach programs, or collecting a lot of demographics data about applicants?

I haven't seen anything on demographics questions beyond the norm in my Wyo or AZ hunt applications.

And honestly haven't seen anything about reaching out to communities that aren't aware of hunting as an opportunity.
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I wouldn’t expect to see anything in Wyo because it lacks the big cities.

I know down in AZ there used to be lots of urban fishing programs, and I even seem to remember some targeted water safety programs. But I haven’t paid any attention to the outreachy stuff for years.

I bet theres a buttload of this kind of stuff in CA. They may not advertise it because they’re ashamed of their bloodsports.
 
Ya- you are correct about the urban fishing programs in AZ.

I thought a lot about the term "underserved" and it's relation to hunting after reading this thread.

When it comes to basic human needs- housing, education, employment, access to clean water, food and utilities, healthcare- there are obviously "underserved" communities, and understanding who needs help is a good thing. If I filled out a mortgage application, I would not blink an eye at being asked what my race is. I don't particularly love providing that information, but I do understand why it's being requested. I swallow hard as I put my trust in the institutions to appropriately use and protect my data.

Hunting is a culture in my mind. Yes, it can serve a fundamental need for those who are in the culture. That's true of 100s of other cultures as well. I don't think "underserved" fits for cultures. Does the S&M culture need government outreach (I know that is ridiculous, but it serves as a point)?. I don't believe that those who don't hunt are not getting a full life. Same with other cultures- people who are included in various cultures are there because of their family histories, their friends, or an adjacent interest that draws them there. And I would add, that there are no obstacles, beyond having no interest in the culture, to getting a hunting or fishing license.

That all said- there is a good thing about outreach programs for a culture like hunting. Like many cultures, it can be misunderstood by those not familiar with it. Hunting gets a lot of that. I can't imagine there is a single hunter who has not had that "how can you hunt" conversation with an anti-hunter while eating a steak or burger over dinner. LOL. So an outreach program can educate folks who likely will never hunt. That's a good thing. I just don't think they need a bunch of data to figure that out.
 
Tristate said:
Anybody find that excluded demographic yet?
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I did!

After hacking into the government demographics data base and using spyware along with AI stolen from the Meta, I came to the following conclusion:

White, 60 yr old, male, grey haired and bearded folks with the name Mike, born in SLC, Utah, lived in Wyoming for exactly 16.2 years, graduated with engineering degrees, retired in AZ, and have an affinity for hiking and hunting, have been excluded from Bighorn Sheep permits in Wyoming for their entire lifetimes.

I ask that the Great Powers immediately remedy this obvious travesty. And maybe a little $$$ for all the pain and suffering that demographic has gone through.
 
What I know from being alive 48 yrs.

1. Dudes like Buzz who have to tell you they "live next to a basketball coach", do so for a reason, and it ain't their open mindedness.

2. Gov programs are known for their effectiveness, and wise usage of money.

3. Lumpy is 100% correct. Be interesting to see who applies for grants.(Saw a story Tom Brady and Jay Z had their PPP loans forgiven). More importantly what they do with the money. I doubt wolf "protection" would be something great.

4. Sure be great if these programs were tied to activities that offer return in investment. Meaning fishing and hunting. Backpackers, MTN bike riders, hikers kayakers, etc, don't pay a dime for what hunters(shooters), fishermen cover in excise taxes. We don't need anymore freeloaders.

5. Buzz got in 150 days in the field. None of you clowns could hack "working" that hard??????. Except for maybe the LBTQ+-*$@?:® Canadian that lives next to him. They/them, I'm betting would tear Buzz up.

6. Lumpy is right. What the hell does how you receive or give sexual pleasure coincide with access to outdoors? One thing to have urban access programs. But "underserved" communities is gov speak.

7. One day we should talk about why I go so hard at Buzz that he blocked me, you buisness owners will really love that story.

8. I thought we all( Evil European colonists) were supposed to learn about nature from the indigenous (still not sure what that word means) folks. Why are we needi g a program to include them?

9. I gotta confess. My hs b-ball coach was white. Ill strive to be better.
 
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I did!

After hacking into the government demographics data base and using spyware along with AI stolen from the Meta, I came to the following conclusion:

White, 60 yr old, male, grey haired and bearded folks with the name Mike, born in SLC, Utah, lived in Wyoming for exactly 16.2 years, graduated with engineering degrees, retired in AZ, and have an affinity for hiking and hunting, have been excluded from Bighorn Sheep permits in Wyoming for their entire lifetimes.

I ask that the Great Powers immediately remedy this obvious travesty. And maybe a little $$$ for all the pain and suffering that demographic has gone through.
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As a white male, thus the second longest life expectancy I believe, there are others who can jump the line ahead of you. You and the asian dude will just have to hang in there a little longer.

This is how equity works in most goobermint agencies.
 
Bluehair said:
As a white male, thus the second longest life expectancy I believe, there are others who can jump the line ahead of you. You and the asian dude will just have to hang in there a little longer.

This is how equity works in most goobermint agencies.
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Data denier!
 
Bluehair said:
As a white male, thus the second longest life expectancy I believe, there are others who can jump the line ahead of you. You and the asian dude will just have to hang in there a little longer.

This is how equity works in most goobermint agencies.
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If I was Asian I'd be pissed that somehow I got lumped with whitey all the time
 
Bluehair said:
Well, there is black paving and white paving. If you send me a picture of what goes in front of your compound I could start guessing about your demographic peculiarities.

We’ve already assertained who wipes feces on your outhouses, so the picture is starting to come into focus a bit.

But I don’t want to hijack the thread. Say, I wonder if CO is the only state that does this?
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Definitely black top. Does that give me woke bonus points like living next to a basketball coach does?
 
Is this Buzz guy for real? "Basketball coach" to show his diversity? Holy hell. A golf coach? A LGBT+ "community member"?

Is it 1950 in his neighborhood?

Lumpy is right, it's not the idea of involving urban kids, its the fine print with government, ALWAYS.
 
JPickett said:
Definitely black top. Does that give me woke bonus points like living next to a basketball coach does?
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Yes, but not as much as me - mine’s dirt. And I live within 6 miles of a football coach, wrestling coach, and a Bishop. Throw in the couple of farmers, couple of hippies, and that’s about my whole hood.

I expect we’ll lose a few of them when they close the school next year. The definition of underserved could sure use some work.
 
Bluehair said:
Yes, but not as much as me - mine’s dirt. And I live within 6 miles of a football coach, wrestling coach, and a Bishop. Throw in the couple of farmers, couple of hippies, and that’s about my whole hood.

I expect we’ll lose a few of them when they close the school next year. The definition of underserved could sure use some work.
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im thinking dirt's maybe the most racist road right? i mean think about the under served community's in the inner city being excluded from dirt roads.

we'll look at that. brought this thread right back to the beginning with me. thats gotta feel good. nice working with you blue
 
BuzzH said:
I would if he was younger.
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At least we know where you stand on the issues. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you like socialist democrats. You still never answer my question about if you support hormone therapy and surgery for children confused about their gender.

Age, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc are not things I care about when voting. It seems like socialist democrats do make those a priority.

All I care about is where someone stands on the issues and if they are capable of doing the job. It is the same with any job, demographics should not matter, all that matters is if that person can do their job.

Yes, there was a major problem with racism in our country in the past and there are still some racists in our country but it isn't the wide spread problem democrats try to make it. Low income and lack of involvement of youth in the outdoors is more related to 1st generation immigrants and breakdown of the family unit than race. The sad truth is most of the current racists in our country have their hatred directed toward white people. Yes, hating someone just because they are white or christian is wrong. Just like it is wrong to hate someone that is black or jewish.

I have a problem with 1.3 million being spent on something like equity because government often does a terrible job of utilizing money. That 1.3 million is going to be used for is creating a "woke czar" in CDOW. This money is going to help get youth involved in outdoor activities as much as the "Inflation Reduction Act" is going to help reduce inflation.

I would rather see the 1.3 million spent on something to help the animals we all care about. 1.3 million could be used to purchase winter range land and protect it from development.
 
BrianID said:
At least we know where you stand on the issues. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you like socialist democrats. You still never answer my question about if you support hormone therapy and surgery for children confused about their gender.

Age, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc are not things I care about when voting. It seems like socialist democrats do make those a priority.

All I care about is where someone stands on the issues and if they are capable of doing the job. It is the same with any job, demographics should not matter, all that matters is if that person can do their job.

Yes, there was a major problem with racism in our country in the past and there are still some racists in our country but it isn't the wide spread problem democrats try to make it. Low income and lack of involvement of youth in the outdoors is more related to 1st generation immigrants and breakdown of the family unit than race. The sad truth is most of the current racists in our country have their hatred directed toward white people. Yes, hating someone just because they are white or christian is wrong. Just like it is wrong to hate someone that is black or jewish.

I have a problem with 1.3 million being spent on something like equity because government often does a terrible job of utilizing money. That 1.3 million is going to be used for is creating a "woke czar" in CDOW. This money is going to help get youth involved in outdoor activities as much as the "Inflation Reduction Act" is going to help reduce inflation.

I would rather see the 1.3 million spent on something to help the animals we all care about. 1.3 million could be used to purchase winter range land and protect it from development.
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Very well said & I agree with you 100%!!!
 
Homer said:
I agree with everything but the last paragraph......I never want to see private land converted to government owned.....I could live with a conservation easement
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True! Any allocation of the $$$ to improve habitat or help the animals is a better alternative IMO than some political motive.
 
Homer said:
I agree with everything but the last paragraph......I never want to see private land converted to government owned.....I could live with a conservation easement
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I think it depends on the private land. I would rather see critical winter range owned by the government than a developer.
 
Homer said:
I agree with everything but the last paragraph......I never want to see private land converted to government owned.....I could live with a conservation easement
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www.google.com

BLM acquires 35,670 acres near Casper in agency's largest ever Wyoming land purchase

CASPER, Wyo. — The Bureau of Land Management has finalized two land acquisitions in Wyoming and Colorado that will provide over 40,000 acres of previously
www.google.com www.google.com

I like seeing private property owners being able to sell to a willing buyer of their choice.

Apparently they're a "faux" private property rights advocate. You want to stop a willing seller from selling to a willing buyer...my, how fascist of you.

Any other private property rights you care to jack boot?

Also, there is piles of money for both the cdow program and public land purchases. Exactly why there was bipartisan support for the lwcf and funding it...educate yourself if you can.

lwcfcoalition.org

The Land and Water Conservation Fund

THE LAND & WATER CONSERVATION FUND COALITION Working Together to Advocate for Conservation and Recreation Join the LWCF Coalition
lwcfcoalition.org lwcfcoalition.org
 
BrianID said:
At least we know where you stand on the issues. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you like socialist democrats. You still never answer my question about if you support hormone therapy and surgery for children confused about their gender.

Age, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc are not things I care about when voting. It seems like socialist democrats do make those a priority.

All I care about is where someone stands on the issues and if they are capable of doing the job. It is the same with any job, demographics should not matter, all that matters is if that person can do their job.

Yes, there was a major problem with racism in our country in the past and there are still some racists in our country but it isn't the wide spread problem democrats try to make it. Low income and lack of involvement of youth in the outdoors is more related to 1st generation immigrants and breakdown of the family unit than race. The sad truth is most of the current racists in our country have their hatred directed toward white people. Yes, hating someone just because they are white or christian is wrong. Just like it is wrong to hate someone that is black or jewish.

I have a problem with 1.3 million being spent on something like equity because government often does a terrible job of utilizing money. That 1.3 million is going to be used for is creating a "woke czar" in CDOW. This money is going to help get youth involved in outdoor activities as much as the "Inflation Reduction Act" is going to help reduce inflation.

I would rather see the 1.3 million spent on something to help the animals we all care about. 1.3 million could be used to purchase winter range land and protect it from development.
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The land and animals you care about need defenders and people advocating for same.

If the cdow programs create a half dozen passionate advocates for wildlife, conservation, and public lands it's worth the money and effort.

Let's be honest, 99.9% of the people that hunt and fish do NOTHING more than buy a license once a year. We need advocates and they're in damn short supply.

Tough to get 5 people to attend a meeting to support what they claim is so important to them. Just a fact.
 
I sure wish folks could state an opposite opinion without calling people fascists, jack booters, needing remedial education, unable to read, not being part of some elite 12%, dumb, or liars. All of which has been done in this thread.

In addition, shaming people by stating one's amazing accomplishments is elitist at best.

It's OK to not agree, it's really bad when one must approach it with such derision. It comes across as being a total snob. Nobody is ever persuaded by such tactics.

That said- I agree it is OK for the government to be in competition for land purchases. Just part of the American way.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
I sure wish folks could state an opposite opinion without calling people fascists, jack booters, needing remedial education, unable to read, not being part of some elite 12%, dumb, or liars. All of which has been done in this thread.

In addition, shaming people by stating one's amazing accomplishments is elitist at best.

It's OK to not agree, it's really bad when one must approach it with such derision. It comes across as being a total snob. Nobody is ever persuaded by such tactics.

That said- I agree it is OK for the government to be in competition for land purchases. Just part of the American way.
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except......no one can compete with the government on land purchases.....
 
With me it’s hardly ever “always” or “never” on any specific subject. There are exceptions……. like voting for a modern day democrat.

On land purchase discussions I tend to side with homer but I am open to exceptions that make sense to my sense, depending on the circumstances.
 
Ya- but if you own land, and want to sell it, and the government is the highest bidder, you'd sure hate to miss out.

I guess if the government were in a massive land buying mode, I'd be concerned too. I haven't seen that but could be uninformed.
 
Homer said:
except......no one can compete with the government on land purchases.....
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Pure bullshit.

The blm and FS pay appraised value, they both have realty specialists on staff for just that reason.

Your entitled to your opinion but not your own set of facts. You're just flat wrong.

You think kroenke, turner, gates, etc. etc. can't out compete the Government and are limited to paying only appraised value?

That's funny...hilarious actually.
 
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Pure bullshit.

The blm and FS pay appraised value, they both have realty specialists on staff for just that reason.

Your entitled to your opinion but not your own set of facts. You're just flat wrong.

You think kroenke, turner, gates, etc. etc. can't out compete the Government and are limited to paying only appraised value?

That's funny...hilarious actually.
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They pay appraised value when eminent domaining.......they pay what ever is needed in a competitive purchase....
 
Someone ask Buzz, since he didn't like me calling bullshit on his continued drizzle.

What good does the gov buying land do, if they cover it with windmills and solar farms?

He talks a great game, then realize he is a BHA honcho. Public land covered with "renewable" energy is off limits, either way.
 
BuzzH said:
www.google.com

BLM acquires 35,670 acres near Casper in agency's largest ever Wyoming land purchase

CASPER, Wyo. — The Bureau of Land Management has finalized two land acquisitions in Wyoming and Colorado that will provide over 40,000 acres of previously
www.google.com www.google.com

I like seeing private property owners being able to sell to a willing buyer of their choice.

Apparently they're a "faux" private property rights advocate. You want to stop a willing seller from selling to a willing buyer...my, how fascist of you.

Any other private property rights you care to jack boot?

Also, there is piles of money for both the cdow program and public land purchases. Exactly why there was bipartisan support for the lwcf and funding it...educate yourself if you can.

lwcfcoalition.org

The Land and Water Conservation Fund

THE LAND & WATER CONSERVATION FUND COALITION Working Together to Advocate for Conservation and Recreation Join the LWCF Coalition
lwcfcoalition.org lwcfcoalition.org
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I actually agree with you on something. Unless there is something I don't know about that land purchase by Casper, it seems like a great idea.

However, I don't agree that there are "piles of money" available in the government to spend on anything we want. Unfortunately, many democrats and republicans act like there are no consequences to all the spending.
 
BrianID said:
I actually agree with you on something. Unless there is something I don't know about that land purchase by Casper, it seems like a great idea.

However, I don't agree that there are "piles of money" available in the government to spend on anything we want. Unfortunately, many democrats and republicans act like there are no consequences to all the spending.
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LWCF is pretty flush, and it can't be spent on anything we want. Its pretty specific where the funds are spent.

Until people quit buying lottery tickets in CO, I would guess the funding for the CDOW program will stay pretty well funded as well.
 
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I think the point Brian makes is that there should be a difference between funding and spending. Wouldn't it be fabulous if a government agency said "Hey, got too much money this year, we're gonna give it back!" Ah well, dreams and lollipops and such
 
HikeHunt61 said:
I think the point Brian makes is that there should be a difference between funding and spending. Wouldn't it be fabulous if a government agency said "Hey, got too much money this year, we're gonna give it back!" Ah well, dreams and lollipops and such
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No. The LWCF was underfunded most all the time. Congress has robbed and shorted the fund enough through the years. We've missed out on a lot of good opportunities because of it.


Of the total credited to the LWCF, less than half—$18.9 billion—has been appropriated, leaving an unappropriated balance of approximately $22.0 billion in the fund
 
BuzzH said:
Pure bullshit.

The blm and FS pay appraised value, they both have realty specialists on staff for just that reason.

Your entitled to your opinion but not your own set of facts. You're just flat wrong.

You think kroenke, turner, gates, etc. etc. can't out compete the Government and are limited to paying only appraised value?

That's funny...hilarious actually.
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I put you past the level of any unrational MM'er that I have run across since this site was established. You are pointless to talk to. You are truly an ass.
 
Wiszard said:
I put you past the level of any unrational MM'er that I have run across since this site was established. You are pointless to talk to. You are truly an ass.
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Why? Because rather than spouting a bunch of BS lies like homer does while I present facts? If that qualifies someone as an ass...I'm fine with that.

Nobody seems to care much for dealing with facts, in particular those that don't know chit from low grade peanut butter.
 
BuzzH said:
No. The LWCF was underfunded most all the time. Congress has robbed and shorted the fund enough through the years. We've missed out on a lot of good opportunities because of it.


Of the total credited to the LWCF, less than half—$18.9 billion—has been appropriated, leaving an unappropriated balance of approximately $22.0 billion in the fund
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Yes. The point was generic, not specific to anyone's favorite government department. "Underfunded" is a big government attitude. No problem if you love tax and spend. I was simply responding to your posts that certain government agencies had plenty of funding, thus they could spend it. I then suggested that having funding and spending money do not have to be tied together. It's an opinion, based on the "facts" you presented. My post is not contrary to any facts.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
I think the point Brian makes is that there should be a difference between funding and spending. Wouldn't it be fabulous if a government agency said "Hey, got too much money this year, we're gonna give it back!" Ah well, dreams and lollipops and such
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They just did this like 2 weeks ago in CO. I believe everyone who filed a tax return just got a $750 check in the mail. There were 4 in our household.

The result of TABOR (taxpayer bill of rights), one of the most hated laws in Colorado. And one of the first initiatives I remember voting for after moving here from AZ.

There are downsides for sure, but it definitely slowed down the unnecessary growth of government.

My wife says we’ve gotten other smaller refund checks before, but I don’t remember them. I’m wondering if I can expect one every election year.



“The TABOR Amendment, which was approved by voters in 1992, limits the amount of revenue the State of Colorado can retain and spend.1 Specifically, TABOR allows the state to retain and spend an amount based on the prior fiscal year's actual revenue or limit, whichever was lower, grown by Colorado inflation and population growth and adjusted for any "voter-approved revenue changes."

Referendum C2, a voter-approved revenue change passed in 2005, allowed the state to retain and spend all revenue collected between FY 2005-06 and FY 2009-10. For FY 2010-11 and all succeeding years, Referendum C allows the state to retain and spend all revenue collected up to the "Referendum C cap," grown by inflation plus population growth from FY 2007-08 revenue, provided that revenue retained in excess of the pre-2005 "TABOR limit base" be spent for certain programs. Surplus revenue in excess of the Referendum C cap must be refunded to Colorado taxpayers. The money is refunded from the state’s general operating fund, known as the “General Fund.”

The TABOR Amendment requires voter approval for tax increases. Fees, which are not addressed in this handbook, can be increased by the state legislature without voter approval. Voter approval is also required to increase the TABOR limit, which constrains state revenue from both taxes and fees.”

TABOR | Colorado General Assembly

Table of Contents The TABOR Amendment, which was approved by voters in 1992, limits the amount of revenue the State of Colorado can retain and spend.1 Specifically, TABOR allows the state to retain and spend an amount based on the prior fiscal year's actual revenue or limit, whichever was lower...
leg.colorado.gov leg.colorado.gov
 
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HikeHunt61 said:
Yes. The point was generic, not specific to anyone's favorite government department. "Underfunded" is a big government attitude. No problem if you love tax and spend. I was simply responding to your posts that certain government agencies had plenty of funding, thus they could spend it. I then suggested that having funding and spending money do not have to be tied together. It's an opinion, based on the "facts" you presented. My post is not contrary to any facts.
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Lwcf is not a government department so your post is contrary to fact. Reread the link I provided.

The important and favorite departments of most significance to wildlife, conservation, and habitat have been severely underfunded for decades. Not by chance, but by the choice of Congress. That's had a severe impact on accomplishing work that benefits wildlife, habitat, recreation, hydrology, administration of extractive resources, research, land acquisition, etc. etc.

Your assertion that those agencies have "plenty of funding" simply is untrue. Further, until very recently, the lwcf was not fully funded by the same Congress that has underfunded the land and wildlife agencies for decades.

Thankfully, a small, but vocal number of sportsmen that actually do care about wildlife, conservation, habitat, etc have applied massive pressure on Congress to reverse the BS that they've been pulling on agency and lwcf funding.

You're welcome, in advance.
 
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Wiszard said:
I put you past the level of any unrational MM'er that I have run across since this site was established. You are pointless to talk to. You are truly an ass.
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He is. 100%.

He's all about "facts", until you actually read the facts, then you find out he cherry picks facts.
 
BuzzH said:
Your assertion that those agencies have "plenty of funding" simply is untrue.
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I suppose- but you are claiming you are wrong, not me. This was your assertion in post 357:

"Also, there is piles of money for both the cdow program and public land purchases."

My comment was based on YOUR assertion, which you now contradict, because Hoss is right- you cherry pick facts simply to be argumentative.
 
Bluehair said:
They just did this like 2 weeks ago in CO. I believe everyone who filed a tax return just got a $750 check in the mail. There were 4 in our household.

The result of TABOR (taxpayer bill of rights), one of the most hated laws in Colorado. And one of the first initiatives I remember voting for after moving here from AZ.
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That's pretty cool...
 
HikeHunt61 said:
I suppose- but you are claiming you are wrong, not me. This was your assertion in post 357:

"Also, there is piles of money for both the cdow program and public land purchases."

My comment was based on YOUR assertion, which you now contradict, because Hoss is right- you cherry pick facts simply to be argumentative.
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Yeah, there is NOW since Congress has been pulled through a knothole by a few sportsmen to fully fund lwcf. Too bad they ripped us off for decades and opportunities to acquire key wildlife habitat slipped away due to underfunding lwcf.

Time doesn't stand still and unless you have cash and a time machine many opportunities are never going to happen again. Opportunities that were missed due to underfunding lwcf, and also underfunding agencies as well.

Ain't rocket surgery...
 
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And now, the folks Buzz loves so much, are trying to shut down ALL offshore drilling, which is the major revenue source to LWCF. Notice he was great at banging on "congress", until his left wing crew is in charge.

I'm assuming this is what hossblur means by Buzz cherry picking facts.

Bha and a few others were real loud, and deservedly so about getting LWCF pushed through.

The silence as Biden and the dems are attempting to kill its revenue generator, is kinda telling isn't it?
 
Keystone said:
And now, the folks Buzz loves so much, are trying to shut down ALL offshore drilling, which is the major revenue source to LWCF. Notice he was great at banging on "congress", until his left wing crew is in charge.

I'm assuming this is what hossblur means by Buzz cherry picking facts.

Bha and a few others were real loud, and deservedly so about getting LWCF pushed through.

The silence as Biden and the dems are attempting to kill its revenue generator, is kinda telling isn't it?
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You're gullible enough to believe off shore drilling is going to stop?

I gave you too much credit in the common sense department.
 
BuzzH said:
You're gullible enough to believe off shore drilling is going to stop?

I gave you too much credit in the common sense
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www.nytimes.com

Biden’s Inner Circle Debates Future of Offshore Drilling (Published 2022)

Top White House officials have assumed control over a sensitive blueprint, expected by June 30, laying out future oil and gas drilling leases in the outer continental shelf.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

It's not stopping now because the courts, not because Biden.


I'll assume you're part of that non reading part of the country?
 
Keystone said:
www.nytimes.com

Biden’s Inner Circle Debates Future of Offshore Drilling (Published 2022)

Top White House officials have assumed control over a sensitive blueprint, expected by June 30, laying out future oil and gas drilling leases in the outer continental shelf.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

It's not stopping now because the courts, not because Biden.


I'll assume you're part of that non reading part of the country?
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I'll assume then that Buzz can point to where his "small, vocal...." protested ending offshore drilling that funds the LWCF?


NOT his opinion and nasty comments, but a simple press release will suffice
 
Because you can't read


Bha and a few others were real loud, and deservedly so about getting LWCF pushed through.

The silence as Biden and the dems are attempting to kill its revenue generator, is kinda telling isn't it?



That was my challenge to you. Not whether the courts are stopping Biden.


Man, hossblur nailed it with how you cherry pick
 
Keystone said:
Because you can't read


Bha and a few others were real loud, and deservedly so about getting LWCF pushed through.

The silence as Biden and the dems are attempting to kill its revenue generator, is kinda telling isn't it?



That was my challenge to you. Not whether the courts are stopping Biden.


Man, hossblur nailed it with how you cherry pick
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Maybe you should read more....

Again, thought you were smart enough to not fall for political theater/pandering.

Was wrong about that...

Oil and gas development is not going to stop anytime soon, it can't.

www.google.com

Biden plan could allow new offshore drilling in Gulf of Mexico

His campaign promise to end fossil fuel development on public lands was thwarted by U.S. courts, high gas prices and Russia’s domination of Western European energy.
www.google.com www.google.com
 
@Keystone

He just backed up exactly what you said, and was too damn dumb/arrogant to even read it.

You'll get used to it man, that's how he rolls.

If you really want a laugh, ask him about how he ended the one shot in Wyoming???. That's a beauty
 
BuzzH said:
Maybe you should read more....

Again, thought you were smart enough to not fall for political theater/pandering.

Was wrong about that...

Oil and gas development is not going to stop anytime soon,
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His campaign promise to end fossil fuel development on public lands was thwarted by U.S. courts, high gas prices and Russia’s domination of Western European energy.


. On Thursday, the Supreme Court dealt another blow to that agenda with a 6-3 decision that restricted the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to curb climate pollution from the power sector



Thanks, I didn't even have to fire up the Google, you posted an article that said exactly what I said.


Did you find that press release yet? Or do you want to spin somewhere else?
 
Keystone said:
His campaign promise to end fossil fuel development on public lands was thwarted by U.S. courts, high gas prices and Russia’s domination of Western European energy.


. On Thursday, the Supreme Court dealt another blow to that agenda with a 6-3 decision that restricted the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to curb climate pollution from the power sector



Thanks, I didn't even have to fire up the Google, you posted an article that said exactly what I said.


Did you find that press release yet? Or do you want to spin somewhere else?
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Read your post...it wasn't you that said Biden was trying to "shut down ALL offshore drilling"?

How can that be when his policy expands off shore drilling in the gulf of Mexico and cook inlet?

I guess ALL (your emphasis) doesn't include those areas?

It's political pandering to suggest ALL off shore drilling will stop...a joke even.
 
BuzzH said:
Off shore drilling is not stopping, that's what I'm reading.

Buzz you need to stop reading press releases by CNN and other left wing news.
As for being a commie, history has shown that a socialist regime leads to outright communism in most countries. You might not be there yet, but still on your way.
RELH
 
RELH said:
BuzzH said:
Off shore drilling is not stopping, that's what I'm reading.

Buzz you need to stop reading press releases by CNN and other left wing news.
As for being a commie, history has shown that a socialist regime leads to outright communism in most countries. You might not be there yet, but still on your way.
RELH
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History clearly shows you have never understood the difference between socialism and communism.

As for off shore drilling, it's not stopping until the last drops are extracted, another fact.

The Texas tribune is a left wing news outlet? Ok...
 
BuzzH said:
Read your post...it wasn't you that said Biden was trying to "shut down ALL offshore drilling"?

How can that be when his policy expands off shore drilling in the gulf of Mexico and cook inlet?

I guess ALL (your emphasis) doesn't include those areas?

It's political pandering to suggest ALL off shore drilling will stop...a joke even.
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How about this, because after a while I get tired watching my dog chase his own tail.



"Yes Keystone, you are correct, Biden did indeed call for ending all offshore drilling. No, BHA, Meateater, Randy Newberg, etc, have not issued statements opposing doing so because it would end funding of LWCF"

AND

I'll agree, Biden was pandering.

There see how easy that was?
 

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