Absolute truth and why we have the big bulls there are to hunt every year.
Oh WOW, How Ignorant you truly are. Landowners get paid a whopping For owners of 1,000 acres, the rate is $1,260 a year. Bonuses are given for each year of participation. At five years, the 1,000-acre owner will receive $1,512 per year maximum payout. This is for parcels 1000+ acres. You don’t get more for larger walk in area payouts. This is why Wagonhound, Q-Creek and Pathfinder don’t enroll as one hunt at $10,000 pretty much squashes the paltry public payout.
That should be easy enough to do since landowner tags here are for direct family only, should be able to make the same rule for point averaging
I plan on it soon when we get the new CWMU/RFW program in place. Might even let you tag along and watch. Though you’d have to pack for me. LMAO.
That is because it wasn’t set up right and poorly managed. In a Wyoming we would do a better job of making sure 20% of all licenses went to the resident public hunters, an equitable season, access to the ranch and annual assessments were conducted to properly manage it and keep public and paying client hunters on equal footing. It can be done right. Deseret in Utah is a good example.
I am glad your such an influence with the WY G&F Jim. So good of you to use your connections. Truly the way licenses are allocated in Wyoming may come from your posts on MM.
Talk about a SOFT, SOFT negotiator. 10 percent, NO WAY. 20% Minimum. The tags would all be extra as it’s mostly an untapped resource. The big ranches can’t get enough hunters drawn so the elk numbers just keep increasing. Another 3000 tags per year like Colorado issues is a whole lot of NEW hunting opportunity, NEW REVENUE for the State and a whole lotta meat for the freezers for the common man. You just don’t like it as it takes away your opportunity for those sadomasochists to give you those black and blue shoulders you secretly love.
You have a link to this on ranches enrolled in RWF??
That's right Bob, he was planning on flying in, if I remember correctly.
AND residents & Non Residents could apply together??
huntscore.com
Any public land in Colo that can be accessed via a public road is open to hunting.....same thing is true in the HMA system in Wyo. I have hunted public land many times adjacent to the private land that is in the RFW program.
In reality, nonres bring ADDITIONAL revenue to small town communities in Wyo compared to residents. Wyo residents have to go to the grocery store whether they hunt or not. Many Wyo res hunt for the day and return to their homes each evening rather than staying in a hotel. Take a look at the hotels, gas stations, restaurants, bars, sporting goods stores, etc in Wyo during hunting season. How many nonres plates do you see? What happens if those nonres plates are cut in 1/2? Buzz may not agree (that doesn't surprise me) but nonres bring a heck of a lot of revenue to Wyo's small town communities.
Nonres bring a chunk of $ to Wyo in the form of license and pref pt fees that would be lost if these tags are converted to low value resident tags.....that is a fact and can't be twisted or turned by Buzz or anyone else. The last time I checked Wyo res elk tags were $57 vs nonres $692 or $1,268. Holy smokes that's not chunk change! The thousands of nonres that apply for elk pref pts are adding another $50/hunter each year they apply. How many nonres will give up on a draw system if tags are cut and draw odds skyrocket? More loss in revenue to Wyo!
This post is titled the way around 90/10 so I will stick with that topic. A program similar to RFW or CWMU would open up millions of private acres to public resident hunters and potential a thousand or more tags that currently don't exist for public resident hunters. These are all high demand and high quality tags that Buzz would rather strip from nonres than open up new and exciting options limited to Wyo residents.
Are there any Wyo residents that would like to hunt a ranch like the Q or Wagonhound for the price of a tag? Wow, what an opportunity!
If you missed it the first time take a look at the benefits:
HuntScore: Colorado Ranching for Wildlife
Coloradans seeking the hunt of a lifetime without the expense of guides, outfitters or access fees should know that more than a million acres of prime private wildlife habitat is open to the public under the Ranching for Wildlife program.
Buzz do you have any other "on topic" suggestions or do you want to just get down to business and slit nonres throats? Trading quality nonres limited tags for doe and cow tags is a joke isn't it?
Jim, you totally get the Wy G&F and Wyo residents know about these landowner programs in other states, right? You really don't think you are the first one to "let the cat out of the bag" do you?
!!!!I waited 12 years to draw unit 57 antelope in 2018 that’s the way it is , I saw lots of those starving maggots out there, a rancher told me to shoot four of them . I think you could have increased the tags to 150 and wouldn’t have hurt anything, good luck to all in the draws !
Buzz lips, Colorado allows all publicly accessible lands as still fully open to regular license holders. Utah has poor management which is an easy fix in the set-up. Stop buzzing, it tickles me.
No, Us Residents Do want a preference point as Us Residents see how effective it works and how there is light at the end of the tunnel with a preference point system. Having someone draw highly coveted tags 3 years in a row as I as a resident have applied for 25 years and never drawn is not only unfair, it is insulting we haven’t done this before and still live in the Dark Ages in Wyoming. I like 90/10 or 85/15 whatever is the normal equitable value other surrounding states use, works for me. I also as many other residents I talk to highly favor the ability to go hunt premium private ranches and open up another New and untapped resource of another 3000 new hunting tags on private ranches instead of just again throwing away and missing the mark on a great Win-Win program we just blow off and have left untapped for decades in Wyoming. Sad and Pathetic how fools don’t get it and can’t grasp how all could benefit by such a program. Another 3000 tags for public hunters, a solid source of revenue for outfitters and landowners on private ranches and 3000 new tags plus new private ranch tags would mean a whole lot of NEW untapped State revenue. You obviously know very little of our preference point system or you wouldn’t have posted how you don’t like it for mountain goats. We don’t have that and never have had. SMH.
Obviously you read slow and lack reading comprehension. I understand that as many have ADHD. Take your medicine and reread what I have posted. US RESIDENTS, do like the 90/10 idea. We may have to compromise and go 85/15 to get outfitter support along with a CWMU type program which will highly benefit Outfitters, landowners, public hunters and the State. Having another 3000 new tags for public hunters and outfitters and landowners having a guaranteed steady source of income on private ranches along with all that new untapped State Revenue is a Win-Win for all. It just has to be properly managed by US RESIDENTS. There are very good examples of how to do it right. No public lands which are accessible would be locked out of public hunting tags and public hunters would have fair and equitable rights of hunting, season dates and accessibility as the high paying private hunters. It is all in the management. Wrongdoers would be evaluated and punished by a State coordinator. Many residents also like having a preference point system like sheep and moose and would like to see that in place also on deer and elk. If you don’t like change, try moving out as US Residents like new hunting opportunities and a Win-Win situations.
Again......Buzz lips, stop buzzing as it tickles me.
You certainly like to tell big LIES. How are those preference points for Mountain Goat working out for you? LMAO. Your next point is you can never draw Limited entry tags, just look at the nonresident pool. I just did and only 3 units could not be drawn with 100% max points for nonresident special deer. Many of these tags are drawn with 3-4 points and all except 3 can be drawn with max points. Even the famed 102 deer unit has a 100% chance of drawing with max points and even 60% chance with 12 points. You could probably get 2 of those in your lifetime Vs. Highly likely never drawing it with a random system like we have for residents. SMH.
Yeah, we know you buzz lips. You like those General areas, especially the ones which have Any Deer vs. Antlered deer so you can harvest a Doe. Sad thing is your hunting buddies saw you buzzing away on that Doe last year. It didn’t bode well for your reputation or your buzz skills.
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We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.
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