Mr. Anti-public land, Mike Lee, needs to go
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I still don't see how having democrats support is a good thing. ? but I'm just a partisan hack that doesn't want to see our country continue to be ran by leftist A-holes hell bent on making us subservient to China.
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You keep saying McMullin is a life long conservative.
Then why won't McMullin say he is a conservative now?
You keep saying McMullin is a life long conservative.
Then why won't McMullin say he is a conservative now?
Because guess what? If you ever want the political extremist and two party system to be beaten, we’re going to have to come together and put reasonable candidates in office, not those that salivate over partisan extremism. McMullin yes has Democrats supporting him. He also has plenty of independents, and yes he has plenty of REPUBLICANS who have endorsed him. Haven’t you ever heard the saying about coming together for the greater good? McMullin would vote with Republicans nearly all the time. The idea he wouldn’t denies the fact….if he doesn’t….he would be a one term Senator. McMullin as Senator is answerable to Utahn’s but sure, Lee needs your vote because of the letter next to his name. Having broad support from a variety of places is a good thing, not a bad thing. Having support like Lee does from solely one side shows just how much of a partisan hack he is.
He said it in the debate. He said it on Fox News literally yesterday. He’s said it on CNN. You people are just ignoring reality in favor of politically agenda driven smear ads.
Fox News YESTERDAY
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“He wants everyone to think I’m a Democrat, but I’m an Independent Conservative and have been my entire adult life”
Utah Independent Senate candidate Evan McMullin pushes back on 'Democrat' talk | Fox News Video
Former presidential candidate and ex-CIA officer joins 'Special Report' to defend political affiliation, slam Sen. Lee.
“He wants everyone to think I’m a Democrat, but I’m an Independent Conservative and have been my entire adult life”
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Idk man, dude has said he’s conservative. Said he’s pro life, and believes in the sanctity of life. Has said Joe Biden holds responsibility for inflation. Has said he will not caucus with Democrats dozens of times. Was a registered Republican his entire life until 2016. Held Republican Party positions. Served the country…and yet….you’re convinced because of some partisan extreme dark money groups who put a commercial on your tv to scare you differently. It shows how good the two party system is of convincing voters that they can only choose one of two things that have both become really bad. It’s quite sad stuff actually.
McMullin goes on Fox News and CNN. He agreed to a debate ON FOX NEWS who is absolutely Lee friendly. Lee refused. Lee has nothing to run on, so he paints his opponent….a life long conservative as a leftist and refuses to debate him on a platform friendly to him. It’s very very very clear who is not a partisan hack here and who hasn’t sold out to their partisan extreme and would represent UTAH not their party. You’re more worried about a party that doesn’t care about you beyond its power, than a Senator who would represent your state and be actually held accountable by voters for what he does. Do you honestly think Lee is more answerable to Utahn’s? He thinks his election is automatic. McMullin would work quite hard to show Republicans he’s a Senator they can support. The idea he’d vote Democrat is just so asinine.
McMullin goes on Fox News and CNN. He agreed to a debate ON FOX NEWS who is absolutely Lee friendly. Lee refused. Lee has nothing to run on, so he paints his opponent….a life long conservative as a leftist and refuses to debate him on a platform friendly to him. It’s very very very clear who is not a partisan hack here and who hasn’t sold out to their partisan extreme and would represent UTAH not their party. You’re more worried about a party that doesn’t care about you beyond its power, than a Senator who would represent your state and be actually held accountable by voters for what he does. Do you honestly think Lee is more answerable to Utahn’s? He thinks his election is automatic. McMullin would work quite hard to show Republicans he’s a Senator they can support. The idea he’d vote Democrat is just so asinine.
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For a guy so snowflaky and cowardice in the DM’s you sure can’t help but reply huh Vanilla?
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“Everyone in Washington is asking how my election is going to affect their power, and I’m running to represent Utahn’s”
Truly….it’s so sad that THAT is not the exact statement you want from a Senator anymore. We are so so so bought into the 2 party political power play.
Truly….it’s so sad that THAT is not the exact statement you want from a Senator anymore. We are so so so bought into the 2 party political power play.
We exchanged DM’s. I DM’d you first. Never said otherwise. You DM’d me back multiple times on UWN, and were a total snowflake. Get off my threads and out of my mentions coward and snowflake. Btw, you’re totally welcome to post them here.
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Emerson and Predictive Insights now show Lee with 10 and 19 point leads over McM. Guessing Utahns dislike of someone endorsing Biden is coming to roost. Looks like the Cheney Effect is in full force 
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The Cheney Effect? Cheney was an incumbent Republican that lost to a Republican, Lee is an incumbent Republican that is in the fight of his life against an Independent.Emerson and Predictive Insights now show Lee with 10 and 19 point leads over McM. Guessing Utahns dislike of someone endorsing Biden is coming to roost. Looks like the Cheney Effect is in full force
Cheney lost because she opposed Trump, Lee is doing everything he can to distance himself from Trump.
They're not even close to the same thing.
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on record saying "what" isn't the case??....that is won't be 49=50-1?...HTF would he know at this time?
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By Cheney Effect, I mean a supposed conservative endorsing liberals and then expecting conservatives to vote for them.
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Since we’ve LONG strayed from anything hunting or outdoors related and made this a full blown political thread…
McMullin made a tactical strategic decision to run the way he did. Democrats made a tactical decision to do what they did, not because they like McMullin, but because they hate Lee that much. Their motives here are not pure, no doubt! It was the best shot both of these parties had to gaining their goals of sending Lee packing, but it was always a long shot. And those saying he was wrong to run this way and ask for the conservative vote are not off-base for feeling that way.
Strategic decisions don’t always pan out. I never thought McMullin had much of a chance in this race, and I doubt this one will end up being all that close, despite allegations to the contrary.
I’ll ask again, just to keep it relevant to this forum, what does racism have to do with hunting?
McMullin made a tactical strategic decision to run the way he did. Democrats made a tactical decision to do what they did, not because they like McMullin, but because they hate Lee that much. Their motives here are not pure, no doubt! It was the best shot both of these parties had to gaining their goals of sending Lee packing, but it was always a long shot. And those saying he was wrong to run this way and ask for the conservative vote are not off-base for feeling that way.
Strategic decisions don’t always pan out. I never thought McMullin had much of a chance in this race, and I doubt this one will end up being all that close, despite allegations to the contrary.
I’ll ask again, just to keep it relevant to this forum, what does racism have to do with hunting?
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Over 200 national security advisors endorse….McMullin.
www.deseret.com
So one candidate has Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and top security advisors for military and security agencis endorsing him…..and the other guy has endorsements entirely from career politicians from his own party.
Opinion: More than 200 national security leaders endorse Evan McMullin
Evan McMullin has rallied the support of veterans, diplomats and national security officials. What do they have to say?
www.deseret.com
So one candidate has Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and top security advisors for military and security agencis endorsing him…..and the other guy has endorsements entirely from career politicians from his own party.
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I heard there were 51 national security advisors, including 2-3 prior Directors of the CIA, that said the Hunter Biden laptop issue was "Russian propaganda." Not feeling the impact you may on this topic.Over 200 national security advisors endorse….McMullin.
Opinion: More than 200 national security leaders endorse Evan McMullin
Evan McMullin has rallied the support of veterans, diplomats and national security officials. What do they have to say?
So one candidate has Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and top security advisors for military and security agencis endorsing him…..and the other guy has endorsements entirely from career politicians from his own party.
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National security people are maggots!Over 200 national security advisors endorse….McMullin.
Opinion: More than 200 national security leaders endorse Evan McMullin
Evan McMullin has rallied the support of veterans, diplomats and national security officials. What do they have to say?
So one candidate has Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and top security advisors for military and security agencis endorsing him…..and the other guy has endorsements entirely from career politicians from his own party.
Yeah, like anything…there are good and bad people in every profession/area of life. There’s some good, honorable people on that list. Again. Lee has partisan career politicians endorsing him. And no one more. I do laugh at how canned some of you and a few others replies are though lol. It’s not even hard to guess what you’ll spew next.
Some. If you’d like to call retired army/navy vets maggots who are on that list….I guess that’s your objective. Perfectly fine to disrespect military personal if they endorse the opponent of the politician you like apparently. There’s people on that list….we’ll more respectable than Mike Lee lol.(and McMullin)
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So you love big government is what you say when when you gloat about the national security boys. ?? And no I didn’t disrespect the military. I look at it like Dan Crenshaw “thank you for your service.” But your a piece of sh!t politically you ***** about Biden but support money going to Ukraine. Your military career and political career have nothing to do with each other and it shouldn’t allow you a pass to invasively take surveillance of your own citizens.
Mike Lee endorsements aren’t given, they’re demanded by the local GOP…..(btw heres more Republicans endorsing McMullin). Wild, we live in such a ridiculous partisan time someone can’t vote for and endorse who they want to vote for, or get harassed by the local political party.
www.ksl.com
GOP state delegate asked to resign after appearing in ad against Sen. Mike Lee
A Tremonton woman featured in an ad against Sen. Mike Lee said she's been asked to resign as a Republican state delegate.
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And? Pretty cowardice stuff to be harassing Republican delegates who will not be voting for Mike Lee. Not just cowardice, also just disgusting politics.
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She's a "GOP" delegate......are you serious??
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On Their Local/TV Commercials There's Alot Of CUT-THROAT BS Going On!
I'm Writing Niller In!
I'm Writing Niller In!
Yes. There is no rule she can’t vote for and endorse whoever she wants. Asking her to resign for supporting McMullin because the local GOP demands loyalty to one candidate is asinine and embarrassing for them they think they can control who people want to vote for. And you’re right she is a GOP delegate who was voted in to serve a 2 year term as a GOP delegate. She’s a real Republican…guess who she’s voting for? Who she wants not who the Republican Party in Utah apparently demands. Lee’s endorsements aren’t given, they’re demanded for party loyalty. Gross gross stuff.
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OMG! A political party being..... political? Gross, gross stuff.
Oh- and I heard that Lee picked his nose as a kid and forgot to wash his hands once after a bathroom break. Is there no level of grossness this evil, Utah hating politician will not stoop to?
Zero doubt about it now- this was the swinger for the election.
Oh- and I heard that Lee picked his nose as a kid and forgot to wash his hands once after a bathroom break. Is there no level of grossness this evil, Utah hating politician will not stoop to?
Zero doubt about it now- this was the swinger for the election.
Demanding your delegates endorse and vote for your candidate….is in fact really gross politics.
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I suppose. In the world of politics though, it doesn't compete with 99% if what goes on with Rs and Ds both.
Thinking there needs to be smoking gun (not a wet water pistol) at this point!
Thinking there needs to be smoking gun (not a wet water pistol) at this point!
I don’t think party loyalty, is more important than people’s rights to vote for and endorse whoever they want. Clearly the Utah GOP does not agree and demands party loyalty and their delegates to vote for who they demand.
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Exactly why she should resign her position as a delegate......
Imagine thinking being a GOP delegate means it demands that you vote for or endorse the Republican no matter show shitty they may be. Proving what a partisan hack you are again….the thought process is about as anti-democracy as it comes. We are not a communist nation and you apparently want us to act like one.
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Jeezus you are a simpleton......she can endorse, vote for, give BJ's to anyone she wants as a republican....have at it. BUT...duties come with being a "delegate"....
We are not a democracy....we are e Representative Republic
None of those duties require she vote for or endorse anyone specific. No rules on this at all.
What you want….is communism, not democracy or a Representative Republic. What you’re talking about is exactly what they do in communist countries.
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??? you voting blue will ensure we get that. It’s gonna be so nice with no fuel, rolling blackouts, no food in the stores, chaos in the streets, your 401k gone, pensions dissolving,but hey at least you can have McMullen and the bad orange man is gone. What is your profession oneye?
Hmmm McMullin has a literal ad saying he would do all he can to INCREASE domestic oil production. Has stated over and over he will not caucus with Dems, and is pro life. But sure wstrntines you eat up those club for growth ads. They’ve got you as duped as they’d like you to be. (Btw there’s fuel at gas stations, food in stores, you have peaceful streets but sure keep being a political rhetoric idiot). Life isn’t what you paint it as. I promise both sides the world isn’t gonna end if your side loses Tuesday. Stop being so easily duped and eating up politicians garbage with a spoon.
Btw I noticed you ignored the communist attitude of the local GOP that you better fall in line with who we want you to vote for, or we’ll tell you to resign. Communism? Look in the mirror. People can vote for who they want and shouldn’t be harassed or threatened because of it.
Btw here’s the orange man ripping on the Senate minority leader a few days before midterms(Trump ripped on DeSantis yesterday as well). Idk if a guy could make it more obvious he’s only out for him. This dude doesn’t have loyalty to a party either. He has loyalty to himself. He’s the literal reason 2 Senate seats were lost in Georgia for Republicans and now he’s attacking DeSantis and McConnell 2 days before midterms. This is your king, enjoy. He gets the party nomination in 2024 you’ll lose. I could vote for DeSantis. I’ll never vote for this idiot.
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Do you know why Oneye can't drink beer on the beach?
Keeps getting sand in his Schlitz...
Keeps getting sand in his Schlitz...
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Hmm without federal leases I can’t see it. The lefts whole intent is to destroy this country. And by the way what was the last thing that happened before Rome fell. Gender confusion. So yeah you can work with the alphabet mafia. And I’ll work on the side of breaking up the establishment of the Crenshaws and McConnells. And making sure the left is tried for crimes against humanity and your boy Romney.
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I would like to see that list of “crimes against humanity”.
Im sure abortion, Afghanistan and affirmative action are on it, but what else? Open borders? Decarceration? I expect it’s pretty long victimhood manifesto.
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I surely hope the Rs win. Saying that, I'm not looking forward to the sham sh*t show trials that mirror what the Ds did to Trump. Both sides are off the charts with that crap.
McMullin picks up another endorsement from a moderate prominent American business person. The entire reason McMullin is an end good, is the fact he's a middle finger to the two party system that seeks to divide, conquer, and over-use their power. They've been too successful, and they need a middle finger.
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Here's the difference.....Fetterman had a stroke, isn't fit to be a Senator, and is on record strongly advocating against fracking. McMullin essentially has ran super conservative his whole life, and has just quieted down about some policies because he needs some Democratic support to have a chance and he knows where he stands isn't popular with liberals. That can be seen by the fact Democrats are currently not turning out in the state because they aren't enthused to be voting for conservative B.
Lol. Yeah, you're so committed to it you're arguing on here for pages for a career politican.....endorsed by all those career politicians and is staying away from Trumps endorsement TWICE now. Trump has endorsed Mike Lee TWICE and Mike just wants to act like he doesn't know him. Thought he was captain Moroni Mikey.....what happened? Dude is avoiding that endorsement like the plague. You're literally voting to further entrench everything you complain about here by voting for Mike Lee lol. At the end of his next term he will have been Senator nearly 20 years.
Oh, the largely meaningless impeachments will certainly begin. Almost like both parties need a reality check.
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Lol, you really are special. Mark Cuban a "moderate"....lol
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Well Oneye- you sure worked hard at it. The battle wasn't just uphill though- McM made a fatal mistake and never really had a chance.
Endorsing the enemy (for conservatives- that is Biden) was always unrecoverable in a deeply conservative state. Hating on Trump would have been possible, but not endorsing Biden. Conservatives know that since McM did the unthinkable, nothing would say he wouldn't do something else just as bad.
I say this as a conservative who really doesn't like Trump. But I voted for him- because I knew what the alternative was going to be. And oh man, it has come in spades.
Endorsing the enemy (for conservatives- that is Biden) was always unrecoverable in a deeply conservative state. Hating on Trump would have been possible, but not endorsing Biden. Conservatives know that since McM did the unthinkable, nothing would say he wouldn't do something else just as bad.
I say this as a conservative who really doesn't like Trump. But I voted for him- because I knew what the alternative was going to be. And oh man, it has come in spades.
Cuban is definitely pretty moderate on a variety of things. He's said if he ran for President it would be as a Republican.
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Then he's a worthless puke.
Not at all. McMullin is simply trying to thread a needle as a conservative running as an Independent trying to cobble together the votes needed. In such a partisan time it's difficult to get people to put some of the most partisan garbage aside to elect someone who doesn't deny legitimacy of elections, who didn't try to help a guy who lost cheat his way into winning, who doesn't lean into partisan extremism. For being such a Democrat McMullin is having trouble getting Democrats to turn in their ballots for him, because the turnout at the moment is abysmal (all around, but especially on the Democrat side in the state). Guess why everyone? Because Democrats understand McMullin is a conservative, and doesn't align on nearly any policy with them, so they just are sticking their nose up, just as I said plenty of them would. McMullin gets elected you'll see him take a quick turn to the right of center, because Democrats won't vote for him a second time(if they even will af first time)....he knows this....and he'll be trying to shore up conservative support.
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Again, lol. A conservative who's so conservative, he cant get conservative votes, so has to be placed on the democrat ticket. Do you even stop to read the drivel you post?
I would agree with you that voting for Biden was probably his biggest mistake. He said he didn't like either choice for President the last two cycles. I didn't either. I voted for neither major candidate both the last two Presidential election cycles. McMullin has been critical of Biden, has ran an ad saying he wants to see more domestic oil production, that the current party is to blame for inflation. I understand what you're saying, but McMullin is not a leftist in any way shape or form. I know people who were Republicans who voted for Biden in 2020 here in the state. He got the largest % for a Democrat in Utah in decades on a statewide level. Trump is certainly not popular here, it's why Lee is totally trying to act like Trump hasn't endorsed him twice now. Lee doesn't acknowledge that **** on any of social media platforms lol. Dude wants nothing to do with a Trump endorsement. Yet McMullin has been criticized for being willing to say out loud we as a country (and Republicans) are better than that guy.
So here's the thing, party politics are like that. How do you think Pelosi, McConnell, etc. stay entrenched for a lifetime? Parties protect those loyal to the party extremes. Lee has gotten endorsements from career politicians, all partisan. Of course the Utah GOP is backing Lee, he has their letter next to his name and is entrenched in the ugly political blood bath. Lee sold his soul to it a long time ago. Of course they throw mud at an outsider who might just challenge him a bit. They've went as far as the story I posted above to harass (and essentially threaten) any GOP delegate who decides to endorse or vote for McMullin. Lee IS the broken system. All you have to do in this political climate is cut a few ads calling someone a leftist and folks lap it up. Why don't you show some proof on policy, or statements that he is anywhere close to anything but at most, a moderate conservative.
Quite frankly people beg for this coming together/break of extreme partisanship….and then will deny every fact of the matter as long as their party says someone is bad. Both parties nationally are insane. The Democratic Party in Utah, in this race, chose to support a life long conservative, on record siding with conservatives on most issues….THAT is putting extremism aside. Yet people are so convinced of the guy with the R next to his name spouts “he’s a leftist” with his finger pointed that somehow despite all facts to the contrary…it must be true. I actually think this Utah Senate race is the perfect encapsulation that it isn’t even achievable to come to the center and put extremism away. What’s the point? It is wild how disconnected from reality politics has become when a dude who been a conservative for as long as McMullin is labeled a Democrat just because your extreme labeled him it….with no real facts to back it…..just political delusion. There is no hope for the middle or reason because the poles of both parties have the blinders pulled fully over their respective bases eyes. McMullin isn’t a perfect candidate, he’s a reasonable candidate. He’s not a leftist, he’s not a right wing extremist. He’s a conservative trying to thread a middle ground of reason, and it’s showing it’s pretty impossible given how attached to the rhetoric both bases are at the moment. Hope that changes.
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Perfect we’ll vote red this election and sort the goons packing on the republican side next time. Like your boy Romney and coxsucker. And then we’ll get someone to run against Lee the next cycle. But just like Chaffetz Lee will cool his tone down on public land once he gets that same opposition. Sorry but drag shows and the Alphabet mafia needs to be taken down first. Then the other uniparty goons can be dealt with.
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So.......you believe this??
"The Democratic Party in Utah, in this race, chose to support a life long conservative, on record siding with conservatives on most issues….THAT is putting extremism aside. "
....I believe a D had no chance and they knew that....but want Lee gone any way possible....so they duped guys like you.
"The Democratic Party in Utah, in this race, chose to support a life long conservative, on record siding with conservatives on most issues….THAT is putting extremism aside. "
....I believe a D had no chance and they knew that....but want Lee gone any way possible....so they duped guys like you.
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Yep, simple as that.
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I dunno Homer. I kinda think Oneye knows exactly what he wants, and has no desire for Rs to control the Senate or any other political body. Just guessing....
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There's no room for wishy washy middle of the road anymore. You know what go along to get along means? One pack of wolves in Yellowstone Park, boys in the girls bathroom, release and a future court date for illegals, no bail release for criminals, vaccine mandates for healthcare workers, a ban on gasoline powered chainsaws and lawn mowers, etc. We all know where everyone of these is headed.
Every post you throw out there just shows how totally partisan you are and how invested in the garbage rhetoric you are. Cox is one of the top 5 most popular governors in the United States. Good luck. Romney I'm unsure of. Despite what you think, Romney does have a fair amount of Republican support (far higher than McMullin in the state). His approval rating is at 50% overall. 50% of Republicans approve of his job performance, 50% of Democrats in the state approve of his job performance. That's a very good place to be in a general election. Primary will be harder for Romney, but I think there's a fair chance he either doesn't run again, or ends up running as an independent, and he'll have a far higher shot at winning than McMullin does. Romney isn't popular with the extreme Republican base (good), but he does have very heavy support from moderate Republicans and independents. Romney won't win in rural Utah, but he will do very well along the Wasatch Front from Orem to Ogden. Just remember, elections are generally about a repudiation of the other party, not an embracement of your party or its extremism. Cox has a 61% approval rating, Romney has a 50% approval rating overall(higher than Lee's has been in years). The biggest mistakes parties make is thinking elections are an embracement of them. 2016 was a repudiation of Clinton. 2020 was a repudiation of Trump. 2022 will be a repudiation on Democrats. The best policy is to not overextend how popular a parties extremes convince themselves their ideas are.
"There's no room for reason anymore, just extremist political rheotric".....there fixed it for you.
Democrats in Utah could have done the party politics convenient thing and nominated Kael Weston. There was a good portion of Dems not happy that they ended up not nominating him, you're seeing that reflected in Democratic turnout in the state who are not enthused to go vote for a different brand of conservative and not a Democrat.
I'm perfectly fine with it this go round. For my state, I don't think one party having a monopoly on power is a good thing on a local or national level. Dems do need to be reigned in on several issues this cycle nationally. Locally here in Utah, the GOP needs a slap in the face and shock to their system that they are accountable to Utahn's not their party. Despite the rhetoric on this forum, there are good and bad things and ideas on both sides of the political isle. And McMullin is just a reasonable Republican uninterested in the divisive bulls*** we see from both parties at this point. It ain't gonna get better unless we vote for it to.
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As Bill Engvall says "here's your sign":
In a red wave election, liberals will take what they can I guess...
In a red wave election, liberals will take what they can I guess...
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Top 5 governors my A55! Top 5 pedo friendly, alphabet mafia, they/them closet governors. ??
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Sorry I was wrong, he's number 6, with only a 24% disapproval rating. wstrntines....now listen.....I know this is hard for you to believe but your little echo chamber just may not be totally representative of everyone else. It's wild how you can't make posts on reason. Have to call Cox.....who has a 61% approval rating a pedo because you have no legitimate points or conversations to make. You won't be beating Cox.....I'm sure you were a Greg Hughes voter....how'd he do? Huntsman and Cox took up around 65% of the Republican primary vote and both ran as moderates.
Cox ranks in the top 10 most popular governors, new poll shows
Spencer Cox ranks in the top 10 most popular governors in the United States, according to the results of a new poll.
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We’ll see how popular your boys are when that door slams on your dreams at the end of the first term. I’d be willing to bet you are Mormon, your church and your employer conned you into getting vaxed, you said we’re all in this together, and you flew a Ukraine flag in your yard.
Both parties need to be checked when they go to far to their extreme. I'm fine holding both parties accountable, most of you.....only seem interested in holding one party accountable.
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Fox 13 who’d have guessed! Holy sh!t that’s funny all the Utah media companies love the Mormon in office. I figured this was gonna be a Joy Reid poll. I mean it’s just as bad.Sorry I was wrong, he's number 6, with only a 24% disapproval rating. wstrntines....now listen.....I know this is hard for you to believe but your little echo chamber just may not be totally representative of everyone else. It's wild how you can't make posts on reason. Have to call Cox.....who has a 61% approval rating a pedo because you have no legitimate points or conversations to make. You won't be beating Cox.....I'm sure you were a Greg Hughes voter....how'd he do? Huntsman and Cox took up around 65% of the Republican primary vote and both ran as moderates.
Cox ranks in the top 10 most popular governors, new poll shows
Spencer Cox ranks in the top 10 most popular governors in the United States, according to the results of a new poll.
Didn't you read Vanilla's posts? He basically says I'm a bigot because I don't like a lot of things the church does politically in the state. No, I'm not Mormon, very much ex-Mormon. And yeah I'm vaccinated, just got my flu and covid shot again a few weeks ago. Guess what? Still here. I believe in science and vaccines which have saved millions of lives through history and extended life expectancies drastically. You totally fit right where I've pegged you at. I caught flack but.....you're who I thought you were lol.
Every poll shows it. You saw election results during the primary right? Huntsman and Cox were both called RINO's.....they got nearly 70% of the vote in your Republican's primary. Cox is going to win re-election at a 60+% clip.
Here's your primary results from that election @wstrntines The two RINO's gobbled up about 70% of the support. Your candidate didn't fair so well
www.nytimes.com
Utah Governor Primary Election Results (Published 2020)
See full results and maps from the Utah primaries.
In another funny story line, Mike Lee's camp was given the link to purchase debate tickets 5 hours before McMullins.....man......Mike Lee and his team just did not have any interest in playing this thing clean.
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Documents show why Mike Lee and Evan McMullin’s debate was full of Lee’s supporters
U.S. Senator Mike Lee and Evan McMullin squared off in a Utah Valley University auditorium full of Lee's supporters for this year's U.S. Senate debate. According to records obtained by The Salt Lake Tribune, Lee's campaign had an hours-long head start to make reservations to the debate.
wstrntines
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Hmm you better look at what funeral directors are blowing the whistle with vaccine related clots. But then again your a yes man. You got manipulated into taking the jab. I feel bad for you I’d be pissed. One thing to remember none of the unvaxxed regret it the vaccinated do.
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Oh the paper that tried to cover up the holocaust. Funny, tell me every war the US has won including the revolution. I gave you one freebie go on historian!Here's your primary results from that election @wstrntines The two RINO's gobbled up about 70% of the support. Your candidate didn't fair so well
Utah Governor Primary Election Results (Published 2020)
See full results and maps from the Utah primaries.
I mean, do you have information that this is not true? I know fake news, vaccines dont work, covid is fake, blah blah blah blah. Yeah.....post that info where Huntsman and Cox didn't get 70% of the primary vote and Hughes won. Uncover it @wstrntines its a huge cover up!!! Those numbers are from your county clerks not the NY times. My lord.
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Oneye- I fear you don't get what it is happening. Today, the country is in a dire situation. Since the Ds hold both chambers of congress, and the presidency, there IS only one part to hold accountable.
If things were going well, we could talk about the various extreme elements in each party and how to moderate it. Right now, I think most folks just want some basics back in place.
But that's the problem that you and McM haven't faced. Running on the wrong issues is never a winner.
Okay, post your right wing nut job website link now. Don't forget to share an Alex Jones video too. Healthiest damn 2 years of my life quite frankly lol. Days out sick? 0.
No. Sorry. The country isn't at end. A list full of excuses for the brand of extremism that appeals to you more. Extremism.....is always bad. Doesn't matter which party it's coming from.
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Funny you mention Alex Jones. He’s been right on a lot of things. Is he weird yeah you’d have to be to study all those things in depth. You have the same mentality as my grandparents. I just want trump to be gone and things will get better. Then they ***** about the price of things. I warned them everything would sky rocket. I guess you can’t answer the question about wars won by the US. You should run for office we’d call you Utah’s pivot man.
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We shall see what happens tomorrow
Alex Jones is a nut job who now owes around $1 billion to families for saying a bunch of their kids who got shot and killed was a government conspiracy that didn’t happen. He’s a low life pile of garbage. Am I surprised you want to give him legitimacy? Nope, not at all.
Partisan extremism will win. Because reason isn’t something enough people will consider anymore because they’ve been convinced by their respective political party that the world is ending if they aren’t the ones who end up with the most power.
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Dude have you bought a tank of gas lately? Bought groceries? Went out to eat?
The cost for all those things have exploded since the dunce in the white house came to power. Is the world ending no, but things have gotten really sh!ty really quick.
And your boy endorsed all of it. Not a chance in hell would I give that a$$hoke a chance to F up even harder when it would actually matter.
He endorsed a vote against Trump, more so than he did Joe Biden, and has also said the current Administration is to blame for the how bad inflation has become, and has said (as he has his entire life) that spending needs to be better controlled. No. He did not endorse all of it lol. I considered voting for Joe too, because the guy the Republican Party sold its soul to is horrendous. I ended up voting for someone else, but if someone voted for Joe Biden, I can’t blame them considering there were two dunces on the ballot running for President in 2020.
Yeah, I’ve done all those things. The white houses spending is partially to blame. Covid shut downs across the world are also partially to blame and we’re seeing those impacts as well. Inflation is not just something the United States is dealing with at the moment, the entire world is.
If Republicans gain control of the Senate, or Democrats gain control of the Senate in the next few days. Life will go on. Oh….and I wouldn’t expect those prices to start dropping drastically even if Republicans gain control of both houses, there’s quite a bit at play here.
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Grandparents. That tells you everything you need to know.
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No. Sorry. I don't condone any brand of extremism. But I do condone:
1) Rapid increases in actual, available energy supplies (as opposed to a multi-decade hope and dream of green energy)
2) Putting criminals behind bars (just the bad ones of course)
3) Spending money on REAL infrastructure (instead of massive handouts to liberal arts majors or donations for wars that cannot be won)
4) Capping taxes and limiting spending (to actually assist in reducing inflation, unlike the stupidly named inflation reduction act)
5) Managing the immigration into the country (I believe latinos are on board with this as well- the real cost of illegal immigration effects them even more than it does me)
As for "the country isn't at end"- nobody said that. You are making an egregious overstatement to the debate. I said we are in a dire situation. It is dire because 8% inflation is catastrophic if not contained rapidly. THAT is not an overstatement.
McM and the Dems are focused on "democracy at risk" emotional string pulling. OK, there are extremists in the R ranks (as there are in the D ranks). I admit it and I don't like it. But it is not even close to the biggest issue for the American people. I'm confident you will witness that today.
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Joe's policy's are more to blame for the world's problems right now then just about anything else. I know if the Republicans take office after today that the prices will not come down, but at least they can help stop him from F-ing sh!t up more.
Tell me, what policy did trump have that made him so bad you think it was OK to ENDORSE Joe?
It's one thing not to support Trump, but to actively support Joe, and stump for him to get him elected??? That's a bridge to far and tells me way more about him. The fact you didn't actually vote for Joe is a good thing in my book, I asked you earlier and you dodged the question so I figured you had.
Donald Trump questioned the very legitimacy of what makes our democratic process free and fair to choose our leaders. Policy wise, I wouldn’t say Trump was that bad. He was bad for the entire fabric of the country. At the time Biden was running as a moderate/unifying candidate. I don’t think he came through on his promise to govern moderately though. As I said, I considered it, but ultimately decided on not. The damage Trump has done to the country isn’t in policy, it’s what he’s done to the discourse, and how he emboldened some of the ugliest parts of our society and political discourse. I’ve said in this thread. I could vote for someone like DeSantis, will never vote for the other guy once in my life. The last two election cycles have not been good choices at all. Please for the love of God give me better choices than Joe and Trump in 2024 or I’ll chose someone else again.
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So let me ask you this in regards to your bottom paragraph. Where would the line be for you? I don’t think there’s much question Trump would enshrine himself in power whether he legitimately won or lost if he could. It’s just whether he has the people in place to make it possible. There are a lot of election deniers about to be elected, partially Democrats are to blame for that by pushing horrendous GOP candidates in primaries so they could beat them(and won’t) in the general. What would make you stop and think it is really an issue? Trump, whether you like his policies or not, did try his hardest (Lee included) to stay in power, even when he lost. I hate $5 a gallon gas and high prices too, but people who want to undermine our democratic process and attempt to throw it out the window, are in reality a far bigger threat to the American way of life. But I get it, people care about what is impacting their day to day immediate well being than long term well being. 2020 was not a good transition of power and the guy who lost, still won’t agree he lost.
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What is your explanation for 2000 Mules?
