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So I guess even if you are “the great muley hunter ” Ryan Hatch you still can’t shoot a deer in one state and put a tag on it from another state and get away with it! I hope he never hunts again!
Let's see how long this stays up?So I guess even if you are “the great muley hunter ” Ryan Hatch you still can’t shoot a deer in one state and put a tag on it from another state and get away with it! I hope he never hunts again! View attachment 46052
Wait a minute. You don't think this says more about you then this Ryan Hatch dude????? You come on here with a screen shot of something and nothing else and start yelling ,"I hope he never hunts again!". And this is your first ever post here??????So I guess even if you are “the great muley hunter ” Ryan Hatch you still can’t shoot a deer in one state and put a tag on it from another state and get away with it! I hope he never hunts again! View attachment 46052
Oh shoot the poacher defender is here ? Just like clock work.Wait a minute. You don't think this says more about you then this Ryan Hatch dude????? You come on here with a screen shot of something and nothing else and start yelling ,"I hope he never hunts again!". And this is your first ever post here??????
Yeah bro. You seem like a stable sort of dude.
Is that you Ryan???Wait a minute. You don't think this says more about you then this Ryan Hatch dude????? You come on here with a screen shot of something and nothing else and start yelling ,"I hope he never hunts again!". And this is your first ever post here??????
Yeah bro. You seem like a stable sort of dude.
Well, I guess I’m just jaded. I don’t have nearly the reverence for a system where crimes are pleaded to “restitution” and a settlement where neither side admits guilt.I agree with TriState. I don’t have a problem with postings sharing the court dates and the charges. However, I think we should withhold our comments regarding the guilt or innocence until the court makes its decision.
If anyone of us was charged with a crime I would think we would hope the public wouldn’t try and convict us until the facts where presented.
I recognize some folks past cause us to assume their guilt but why not give the guy the benefit of hearing the details of the charges before we roast him on a public forum.
I’m guessing that’s the point Tri is always trying to make whenever these legal discussions make their way here.
No, but my dog Lassie was and she told me all about it….."you still can’t shoot a deer in one state and put a tag on it from another state and get away with it!"
Was you there?
Blue, I agree with your logic. You’re a guy with a ton on horse sense. I just try to put myself in other peoples position and I would hope I’d get the benefit of the doubt before I got fried. Even if I’d been guilty as charge, in the past. We’re at point however that we’ve allow too many people, too many chances to correct their bad behavior to the degree that we are all assuming they are at it again.Well, I guess I’m just jaded. I don’t have nearly the reverence for a system where crimes are pleaded to “restitution” and a settlement where neither side admits guilt.
The outcome doesn’t always represent accurately what happened.
Please elaborate on this statement as this whole discussion is news to me.The story of what happened is a good one. Hence the reason he up and quit the Magazine…
I thought the story was quite boring. Nice buck tho!The story of what happened is a good one. Hence the reason he up and quit the Magazine…
You're a big help..I thought the story was quite boring. Nice buck tho!
Troll’s gonna Troll…. All day every dayYou're a big help..
Is it possible that the deer was actually shot in one state and then hauled ass with what little air it had left in its lungs and died in another state? Or was this guy like ten miles into a different state? Anyone know more info about it than what little the screen shot shares?
?So who killed the deer?
So are you gonna take the case? Private eye Tri!!So who killed the deer?
If your the get away driver for a robbery, your still a robber, your not going to make a very good P.I. if you don’t already know thatYou gonna answer the question Cooper?
"While there is absolutely no excuse for any hunter to break or bend the laws,"How many times did you speed or run a red light before you were caught? How many times did it take you to get caught twice? This is Ryan's second go round with the law for illegally taking a mule deer. He was convicted the first time and may very well be convicted again. If he has only poached twice in his life and was caught both times then it would seem that the odds are against him and he has some pretty bad luck.
While there is absolutely no excuse for any hunter to break or bend the laws, IMO those few high profile individuals that make a living from hunting, guiding or teaching others about hunting whether in Video or print media are influential to many mostly young would be trophy hunters. What kind of message does this send to them, that anything goes for a trophy animal?
The poor examples of Hatch, Lemmon and others that have shown this behavior has a much greater negative ripple effect than the average Joe under the same circumstances. This causes an even greater long term damage (not to mention fuel for the anti-hunting crowd) and as such should receive an even larger sentence if convicted.
A lifetime ban from hunting, guiding or even making a dollar from hunting in any form would be an appropriate sentence if convicted a second time.
You honestly don't know do you. You literally don't know anything besides a couple of screen shots from a phone.Hopefully you study up on law before you take the case, good luck Private Investigator Tri?
That’s when you make the call yourself to F&G...I’m with tri. We don’t know **** on what happened.
what if Hatch was in the right unit glassing for his buddy and the hunter wondered away across the boundary and seen the buck and shot! Could be that Hatch wasn’t technically involved but his buddy got him involved.
Maybe he did! Turned himself and his buddy in. We don’t the storyThat’s when you make the call yourself to F&G...
You don’t get charged with felony wanton destruction, wasting and obstruction for turning yourself in, in Utah!!Maybe he did! Turned himself and his buddy in. We don’t the story
Coming from a stable sort of dude......Wait a minute. You don't think this says more about you then this Ryan Hatch dude????? You come on here with a screen shot of something and nothing else and start yelling ,"I hope he never hunts again!". And this is your first ever post here??????
Yeah bro. You seem like a stable sort of dude.
Not if it was the client....hard to turn in a whale though....If you turn yourself in and you have a previous conviction they ain't gonna be gentle on you.
True but it’s still over 220….Honestly that buck really isn’t that impressive for a guy like Hamberlin to take a chance on!
He has killed some bucks that totally blow that one out of the water.
And so has Ryan for that matter.
Let me get this right, I said that there is no excuse for hunters to break or bend the laws and you claim this is untrue? I would sure like to hear why you think it's okay to hunt illegally."While there is absolutely no excuse for any hunter to break or bend the laws,"
Actually this is untrue.
" What kind of message does this send to them, that anything goes for a trophy animal?"
It sends a message you should try and obey the law.
"The poor examples of Hatch, Lemmon and others that have shown this behavior has a much greater negative ripple effect than the average Joe under the same circumstances."
What poor example of "Lemmon"? You mean the guy who runs a really good hunting business for the past 40 something years. I fail to see how he is a poor example.
"This causes an even greater long term damage (not to mention fuel for the anti-hunting crowd) and as such should receive an even larger sentence if convicted."
What long term damage????? Maybe to his pocketbook and liberties but that's really about it. As for "fuel for the anti-hunting community", ARE YOU SERIOUS? DO you know how the antis work???? They don't gain any ground by vilifying criminals. They attack and vilify legal hunting. Go look at their websites and facebook pages. The biggest victory they ever had was demonizing a legally killed lion. People aren't going to get their driving privileges taken away because of a wreck at Talladega, and hunting won't get shut down because game laws get broken. Politicians know it and the antis know politicians know it.
Basically I can tell you don't really now how things work in life.
If you turn yourself in and you have a previous conviction they ain't gonna be gentle on you.
Why? Are you looking to buy a "glassing location" from that day?We don't know many details of what happened or even if he's guilty.
Does anybody know where Founder was on 10/26/2020?
Just kidding!
Well, I don't have time to scout.Why? Are you looking to buy a "glassing location" from that day?
I do hope it ruins him because he is a habitual poacher so yes F*&K Ryan Hatch. I won't apologize for it. His criminal behavior has been a part of his success in the Mule Deer world. He is just another Kirk Darner. We've no clue what he did as a minor but he was convicted of poaching a large muley on the Paunsagaunt back in the 80's when he was 18 or 19 and it appears he hasn't changed his methods, so yeah Fugg him!
You seem to think poaching is okay and I understand why you do. You are just another Texas arsehole who makes his out of state hunting pilgrimage and by damn you spent your money and you're gonna shoot something. It doesn't matter if it's a deer, elk, horse or cow. You have zero ethics. The reason I mentioned others to chime in (and hardly begged so) is so that you can see how far off base your thought process is. You are always on the wrong side of an argument here on M.M.; Once again I would ask for other opinions on that but a quick history of your posts here will confirm that. You're just another loud mouth Texan.
I am from Texas and come to your state almost yearly to hunt and follow your state rules as I try to follow every state's rules that I hunt in. Your blanket statement about Texans is about as factual as the rest of your post.I do hope it ruins him because he is a habitual poacher so yes F*&K Ryan Hatch. I won't apologize for it. His criminal behavior has been a part of his success in the Mule Deer world. He is just another Kirk Darner. We've no clue what he did as a minor but he was convicted of poaching a large muley on the Paunsagaunt back in the 80's when he was 18 or 19 and it appears he hasn't changed his methods, so yeah Fugg him!
You seem to think poaching is okay and I understand why you do. You are just another Texas arsehole who makes his out of state hunting pilgrimage and by damn you spent your money and you're gonna shoot something. It doesn't matter if it's a deer, elk, horse or cow. You have zero ethics. The reason I mentioned others to chime in (and hardly begged so) is so that you can see how far off base your thought process is. You are always on the wrong side of an argument here on M.M.; Once again I would ask for other opinions on that but a quick history of your posts here will confirm that. You're just another loud mouth Texan.
True, I am guilty of making that stereotypical statement about Texans and shouldn't have included all Texans as unethical so my apologies to those don't fall in that category but there is a reason that stereotype is out there. I also didn't coin the derogatory term "TEXAS HEART SHOT" but it is out there none the less.I am from Texas and come to your state almost yearly to hunt and follow your state rules as I try to follow every state's rules that I hunt in. Your blanket statement about Texans is about as factual as the rest of your post.
Yes sir, was only defending myself and fellow Texans that follow the rules. I am 100% against poachers from any state.True, I am guilty of making that stereotypical statement about Texans and shouldn't have included all Texans as unethical so my apologies to those don't fall in that category but there is a reason that stereotype is out there. I also didn't coin the derogatory term "TEXAS HEART SHOT" but it is out there none the less.
If you follow all the rules which is good to here then why do you defend the opposite? (Sorry about accusing you of defending poaching with this last sentence. I didn't look close enough as to who posted this comment and thought it was still Tri.)
?Who’s Ryan hatch?
He's,a poacher and an outlaw ,he doesn't deserve respect he deserves a long hard prison sentence and his privelage to hunt and fish revoked for life he'nothing but worthless trash. Like someone else,statedThanks for the understanding 2Lumpy.
I'm not defending Ryan Hatch or what he may or may not have done. I am perfectly fine with the criminal justice system moving forward with this and justice being served whether the outcome is "guilty" or "not guilty".
My issue is that something is fundamentally wrong with someone wishing for him to suffer. That's not how gentleman or professionals should behave, and I think we as hunters and sportsmen should behave as gentlemen and professionals.
Can you imagine meeting someone for the very first time and the second sentence you ever hear out of his mouth is about how he hopes something really bad happens to someone else?????? Any normal person would probably conclude its best to stay away and not associate themselves with someone like that. But here on the internet people do that and it seems a bunch of other people just pat him on the back and say "yeah!".
What is just as amazing to me is we are talking about a person that the OP probably doesn't even know on a personal level, doesn't know any evidence entered in the case, with variables that in reality took absolutely nothing from the OP. And yet he "hopes" for great loss to this other person. That's not normal folks.
Good question.
Not sure about his latest folly in Missouri but his Kentucky illegal acts are well known. https://www.herald-dispatch.com/new...cle_5f61f0fc-4169-51d4-8927-6bbbb8839a12.htmlSeems to me that about a year or so ago there was a similar thread about Gregg Ritz and a whitetail buck. Everyone wanted him burnt at the stake; never did hear how his case was resolved. Anyone have any details of the outcome of Ritz’s trial or proceedings?
Sometimes those big bucks in 4 corners area get baited on the Utah side with a trail cam but tagged with a 4th season Colorado tag, though they normally avoid the Arizona side LOL.So I guess even if you are “the great muley hunter ” Ryan Hatch you still can’t shoot a deer in one state and put a tag on it from another state and get away with it!
Exactly. Never heard of the dude until this thread.Who’s Ryan hatch?