Tech #2

[ridgetops]

What would that affect? Five percent of Utah muzzleloader hunters?!

Less than that.

 

[elkhunterUT]

We discussed asking the hunter specific questions on a survey.
We all agreed and yes assumed a hunter of any weapon is not going to indulge true information on a long range kill.

of course some will lie or not share full information, but others won't. Some info is better than none, which is what we have right now and this committee and the WB are potentially going to make changes based on ZERO reliable info (anecdotes from several dudes on a committee and message boards do not count as reliable information)

 

[slamdunk]

of course some will lie or not share full information, but others won't. Some info is better than none, which is what we have right now and this committee and the WB are potentially going to make changes based on ZERO reliable info (anecdotes from several dudes on a committee and message boards do not count as reliable information)

So am I safe to assume you are an avid muzzleloader hunter?

If yes, why are you so adamant on needing a variable scope on your rifle?

If not, discard question.

 

[elkhunterUT]

So am I safe to assume you are an avid muzzleloader hunter?

If yes, why are you so adamant on needing a variable scope on your rifle?

If not, discard question.

Nope - not a safe assumption. I am primarily a bowhunter, but will hunt with any legal weapon allowed if it gives me a chance to get in the field and will adapt to whatever the laws are. I own all and use all depending on the opportunity.

Having said that, I do not support making changes just for change sake. If changing a muzzy hunt to only allow for 1x scopes or no scopes at all really moves the needle on saving our herds then I will be all for it, but show me with real data and not with anecdotes by guys who are hoping to hunt bigger deer in the future.

To be perfectly transparent, I want more deer/elk and I want bigger bucks and bulls, but I am not sure making a bunch of tech changes on weapons (outside of the obvious ones that go beyond the line - e.g., infrared imaging, real-time transmitting cameras, etc.) will make any difference at all.

I can only speak for myself, but if you take my scope off my muzzy, I will still kill the same percentage of animals as before, just may have to work a little more, which I am fine with. However, there are many who are not as committed as you or I whose accuracy will suffer and they will wound more animals than before. Isn't that counterproductive to the overall goal of increasing our herds and the overall pie. Let's do the right thing, not just some things a few feel overly passionate about.

 

[shootem]

Nope - not a safe assumption. I am primarily a bowhunter, but will hunt with any legal weapon allowed if it gives me a chance to get in the field and will adapt to whatever the laws are. I own all and use all depending on the opportunity.

Having said that, I do not support making changes just for change sake. If changing a muzzy hunt to only allow for 1x scopes or no scopes at all really moves the needle on saving our herds then I will be all for it, but show me with real data and not with anecdotes by guys who are hoping to hunt bigger deer in the future.

To be perfectly transparent, I want more deer/elk and I want bigger bucks and bulls, but I am not sure making a bunch of tech changes on weapons (outside of the obvious ones that go beyond the line - e.g., infrared imaging, real-time transmitting cameras, etc.) will make any difference at all.

I can only speak for myself, but if you take my scope off my muzzy, I will still kill the same percentage of animals as before, just may have to work a little more, which I am fine with. However, there are many who are not as committed as you or I whose accuracy will suffer and they will wound more animals than before. Isn't that counterproductive to the overall goal of increasing our herds and the overall pie. Let's do the right thing, not just some things a few feel overly passionate about.

Well said!!!

 

[yak4fish]

What about limiting the transportation tech? Larger roadless areas, closing half the ATV trails during hunting seasons or street legal vehicles only.

 

[slamdunk]

What about limiting the transportation tech? Larger roadless areas, closing half the ATV trails during hunting seasons or street legal vehicles only.

I am all for that, but that's a different entity than this one specifically for technology

 

[roadrunner]

So am I safe to assume you are an avid muzzleloader hunter?

If yes, why are you so adamant on needing a variable scope on your rifle?

If not, discard question.

So there is some self proclaimed sage that gets to define what muzzleloader hunting is?

This is like saying an avid bowhunter can't use a release aid...

 

[slamdunk]

So there is some self proclaimed sage that gets to define what muzzleloader hunting is?

This is like saying an avid bowhunter can't use a release aid...

Yes actually there is.

They call themselves "The Wildlife Board"

 

[deadibob]

I love seeing posts and input from members i have never seen in all my time as a member and Moderator on this site, which is now pushing 20 years.

Twenty years? I guess you'll be getting a gold watch soon and moving on.

 

[slamdunk]

Twenty years? I guess you'll be getting a gold watch soon and moving on.

No gold watch, but there will come a day you guys don't have to yell at me anymore ?