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I can't approve of his s&#@ he has done already. My deal is people shutting road down and hurting the economy. Bide shut pipelines down, Trudeau's gun laws were a crime against the people, but I don't go for looting, arson, blocking roads etc. If I'm wrong please explain.
 
looting and arson? show me that in Canada with the truckers. your logic would have shut down Martin Luther Kings civil rights movement. maybe you'd have been for that. i don't know. peaceful protest is a pretty big part of enforcing a democracy and reminding a ruling class who they work for. what you see turdo doing up north is the implementation of a dictatorship.

confiscating fuel in freeing temps? locking up people for trying to exercise peaceful protests? calling it sedition ? terrorist? racists? insurrection? freezing bank accounts? stealing charitable donations? all because they don't want to be told what the government can do with there bodies and what they put in it?

he can end it by listening to his people and working to a solution of governing in there best interest

slippery slope bud
 
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DeerMadness said:
I can't approve of his s&#@ he has done already. My deal is people shutting road down and hurting the economy. Bide shut pipelines down, Trudeau's gun laws were a crime against the people, but I don't go for looting, arson, blocking roads etc. If I'm wrong please explain.
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You’re angry at the wrong people…. Nobody to blame but the Canadian Gov’t.

Those truckers, and all of the people joining them are heroes.

Remember, all of the American forefathers and patriot heroes, were Treasonous, traitors in their time. Think about that.
 
Blocking roads is still no bueno. I don't care if you are civil or not. I didnt go there. Shutting down small businesses who need to survive, blocking roads. If you want to protest go do it. Just not how it should be done. Could be emergency vehicles are blocked too.
 
Unchecked, Totalitarian governments are no-bueno…..
Whatever needs to be done to correct that is what needs to be done. Blocking roads definitely got the attention. I hope the Canadians stand strong through it, and take back what little liberty they have left.

I’m actually ashamed at how long it took for us Americans to make a real push back against our current totalitarian regime.

Heroes make hard choices.
 
Little Fidel from the North who openly & freely says he admires & wants to model his Govt. after the Chineese style communist dictatorship should give free men some pause no? History is full of these dictatorial power grabbers. Some people should read up on their history..... going backwards won't end well
 
DeerMadness said:
Blocking roads is still no bueno. I don't care if you are civil or not. I didnt go there. Shutting down small businesses who need to survive, blocking roads. If you want to protest go do it. Just not how it should be done. Could be emergency vehicles are blocked too.
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Well…..You’re helping with team picking when the time comes….thanks.
 
wetmule said:
Little Fidel from the North who openly & freely says he admires & wants to model his Govt. after the Chineese style communist dictatorship should give free men some pause no? History is full of these dictatorial power grabbers. Some people should read up on their history..... going backwards won't end well
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Canada is at a crossroad. Most don't see that, but I do. It's not about a virus.
 
Born and raised in Canada. In 1975 this current Trudeau’s father, Pierre Trudeau, froze Canadian’s wages and I said, I’m out of here, packed up my little family and immigrated to the US. My family, what’s left of it, still live there. I visit them every year.

Most of the Canadian people have slowly been indoctrinated into believing in socialism….. since the end of WWII, to the degree even the conservative people are left of what we in the US would call the center. They are wonderful people but after 60 years of ever creeping socialism in their lives, millions of then believe it’s a better way to live and they’ve allowed a noose to be tied around their necks. This truckers protect is a mild revolt, not just against the covid vaccination mandate but a mild revolt against all of Canada’s version of socialism.

My fear is, even after this mini revolt or what I’d call a polite response to another Canadian government overreach, is resolved, the majority of Canadians will go right back to wanting to be governed by socialism and allow their government to control far to many of their personal liberties. If they are able to render Trudeau unable to govern and force him from office, they will turn right around a elect another socialist leader, expecting a different outcome.

Once people get conditioned to having there government make all of their individual decisions and the government be responsible for their entire welfare, from cradle to grave, it’s nearly impossible for them to understand any other way of life.

I believe once you take a country down the socialistic path, the only way back is for living conditions to get so bad it almost becomes like communism or a monarchy.

Let Canada be an example of what not to allow America to become.
 
El Gringo said:
You definitely win the “unpopular opinion of the week” contest here on MM!! Congrats
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It was not my endorsement of " The Dude " but my feeling of the type of protest . And I have a multitude of friends who feel the same and they aren't Liberal. So I don't really care if I am unpopular. Go your own way. Trudeau is a douche besides that.
 
2lumpy said:
Born and raised in Canada. In 1975 this current Trudeau’s father, Pierre Trudeau, froze Canadian’s wages and I said, I’m out of here, packed up my little family and immigrated to the US. My family, what’s left of it, still live there. I visit them every year.

Most of the Canadian people have slowly been indoctrinated into believing in socialism….. since the end of WWII, to the degree even the conservative people are left of what we in the US would call the center. They are wonderful people but after 60 years of ever creeping socialism in their lives, millions of then believe it’s a better way to live and they’ve allowed a noose to be tied around their necks. This truckers protect is a mild revolt, not just against the covid vaccination mandate but a mild revolt against all of Canada’s version of socialism.

My fear is, even after this mini revolt or what I’d call a polite response to another Canadian government overreach, is resolved, the majority of Canadians will go right back to wanting to be governed by socialism and allow their government to control far to many of their personal liberties. If they are able to render Trudeau unable to govern and force him from office, they will turn right around a elect another socialist leader, expecting a different outcome.

Once people get conditioned to having there government make all of their individual decisions and the government be responsible for their entire welfare, from cradle to grave, it’s nearly impossible for them to understand any other way of life.

I believe once you take a country down the socialistic path, the only way back is for living conditions to get so bad it almost becomes like communism or a monarchy.

Let Canada be an example of what not to allow America to become.
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You just don't get it, do you, Lumpy? ;)

Before you reply with something like above, you first need to hurl an insult at someone or call them a name or two. Capeesh? :)

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Ha, I’m reasonable capable of hurling insults ODW. I know how, I just don’t like the stomach acid that comes comes with it.

You could work on me though, and if you try hard enough I’ll open the trunk for ya. ?
 
2lumpy said:
Born and raised in Canada. In 1975 this current Trudeau’s father, Pierre Trudeau, froze Canadian’s wages and I said, I’m out of here, packed up my little family and immigrated to the US. My family, what’s left of it, still live there. I visit them every year.

Most of the Canadian people have slowly been indoctrinated into believing in socialism….. since the end of WWII, to the degree even the conservative people are left of what we in the US would call the center. They are wonderful people but after 60 years of ever creeping socialism in their lives, millions of then believe it’s a better way to live and they’ve allowed a noose to be tied around their necks. This truckers protect is a mild revolt, not just against the covid vaccination mandate but a mild revolt against all of Canada’s version of socialism.

My fear is, even after this mini revolt or what I’d call a polite response to another Canadian government overreach, is resolved, the majority of Canadians will go right back to wanting to be governed by socialism and allow their government to control far to many of their personal liberties. If they are able to render Trudeau unable to govern and force him from office, they will turn right around a elect another socialist leader, expecting a different outcome.

Once people get conditioned to having there government make all of their individual decisions and the government be responsible for their entire welfare, from cradle to grave, it’s nearly impossible for them to understand any other way of life.

I believe once you take a country down the socialistic path, the only way back is for living conditions to get so bad it almost becomes like communism or a monarchy.

Let Canada be an example of what not to allow America to become.
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The sad fact is, most people prefer comfortable slavery, over “dangerous” freedom.
 
El Gringo said:
The sad fact is, most people prefer comfortable slavery, over “dangerous” freedom.
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They think they do, until personal motivation and individual incentive dies and food production grinds to a hault, factory out put turns to junk, nobody is willing to work, substance abuse masks the sorrow, life become meaningless. When the false comfort turns to hard time…….their not so proud of it then.

Folks need to read a few more history books………… the future of socialism and communism is no secret.
 
eelgrass said:
Canada is at a crossroad. Most don't see that, but I do. It's not about a virus.
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Never was. - Here, in Canada or any other country. It always was and is about using the virus as a tool & their opportunity to advance their ideology and seize control over how the economies of the world are run, with the elite determining their desired outcomes... not equal opportunities. Never let a crisis go to waste. Polling shows only 15% of Canadians would vote again for little Fidel. That's why the truckers must be squashed.
 
"Once people get conditioned to having there government make all of their individual decisions and the government be responsible for their entire welfare, from cradle to grave, it’s nearly impossible for them to understand any other way of life"

That is a very profound statement.
 
DeerMadness said:
Blocking roads is still no bueno. I don't care if you are civil or not. I didnt go there. Shutting down small businesses who need to survive, blocking roads. If you want to protest go do it. Just not how it should be done. Could be emergency vehicles are blocked too.
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I do agree with your point about blockading small businesses.

I seriously felt like the only person on earth who was horrified when our governments made a unilateral decision about what businesses were “Essential” and which ones were not “Essential”, and they just shut them down overnight.

That kind of action is treasonous, and I am ashamed that a million small business owners didn’t march on Washington, and block roads, to have their voices heard.
 
We're all old enough to remember that pre vaccine - truckers, Dr's, nurses, front line healthcare workers etc. were all hailed as heroes for putting themselves & their own health on the line for everyone. Post vaccine - the same leaders that previously proclaimed the same group of workers as heroes, fired a whole bunch of them and are still firing them for not getting the jab... even with natural immunity. Now blackface declares them racist. Vaccine or bust says all the vaccine salesmen
 
Trudeau is a left wing liberal piece of crap. If it was BLM protesting, he would look the other way or support them. If put to a vote, I bet the majority of the people in Canada supports the truckers. Our liberal Democrats right now are scared to death that it may happen here.
RELH
 
El Gringo said:
The sad fact is, most people prefer comfortable slavery, over “dangerous” freedom.
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“Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
 
If you were the leader of a tiny nation, living under the umbrella of the most powerful nation that’s ever existed……….would consulting with and following the advice given by that nation’s leader make sense?
 
2lumpy said:
If you were the leader of a tiny nation, living under the umbrella of the most powerful nation that’s ever existed……….would consulting with and following the advice given by that nation’s leader make sense?
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I bet the leader of the powerful nation would like to send in troops.
 
DeerMadness said:
Blocking roads is still no bueno. I don't care if you are civil or not. I didnt go there. Shutting down small businesses who need to survive, blocking roads. If you want to protest go do it. Just not how it should be done. Could be emergency vehicles are blocked too.
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As a small buisness owner who is still dealing with supply chain issues due to GOVERNMENT ineptitude, it's funny to listen to how trucks are "shutting down buisness".

The amount of businesses not named Amazon and Walmart that were destroyed by politicians is mind-blowing. Billions burned and STILL being burned by businesses, especially small ones, trying to survive, NOT BECAUSE A VIRUS came, BUT BECAUSE GOVERNMENT TOOK OVER.

And let's be 100% honest. The only reason the freedom bridge was opened, was it hurt GM and other big car manufacturers. No one would do anything if it hurt the local hardware store.

He can COMPEL tow truck drivers against their will at the point of a gun, to move those semis, and you cheer that? He can shut down all access to banking and you cheer that? Do you cheer N. Korea as well?

"Yeah, Hitler smoked 7 million Jews, but he kept the trains running in time", right?
 
hossblur said:
As a small buisness owner who is still dealing with supply chain issues due to GOVERNMENT ineptitude, it's funny to listen to how trucks are "shutting down buisness".

The amount of businesses not named Amazon and Walmart that were destroyed by politicians is mind-blowing. Billions burned and STILL being burned by businesses, especially small ones, trying to survive, NOT BECAUSE A VIRUS came, BUT BECAUSE GOVERNMENT TOOK OVER.

And let's be 100% honest. The only reason the freedom bridge was opened, was it hurt GM and other big car manufacturers. No one would do anything if it hurt the local hardware store.

He can COMPEL tow truck drivers against their will at the point of a gun, to move those semis, and you cheer that? He can shut down all access to banking and you cheer that? Do you cheer N. Korea as well?

"Yeah, Hitler smoked 7 million Jews, but he kept the trains running in time", right?
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I guess I wasn't making my point correctly. I never said I admired the guy. I have always hated road blocks due to protests. But I brought the hackles up here. So be it, I don't have to be loved anywhere including here. But my view wasn't like it was perceived by many. Did I say He is a great leader ? No . Carry on ya'all.
 
DeerMadness said:
I guess I wasn't making my point correctly. I never said I admired the guy. I have always hated road blocks due to protests. But I brought the hackles up here. So be it, I don't have to be loved anywhere including here. But my view wasn't like it was perceived by many. Did I say He is a great leader ? No . Carry on ya'all.
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Hey DMadness you’re good. This is a hardly relevant camp fire gathering. We all get our turn to disagree with the folks and get called out, whether we deserve it or not. You get our point, we get yours.

Your still welcome at my campfire anytime virtual or otherwise.
 
DeerMadness said:
I guess I wasn't making my point correctly. I never said I admired the guy. I have always hated road blocks due to protests. But I brought the hackles up here. So be it, I don't have to be loved anywhere including here. But my view wasn't like it was perceived by many. Did I say He is a great leader ? No . Carry on ya'all.
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Hey as long as you love the tyranny, I guess who the dictator is doesn't matter?
 
Homer said:
It’s really cool now how the dictator can weaponize the banking industry against his political opponents……

Genius….huh DeerMadness…?
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When we consider alternative governing constitutions and start to think it’s time to add to or take away from the American Constitution, think about these kinds of flaws that the constitutions of other otherwise good countries have to deal with. No thanks. For better or worse, all take the one the Founding Fathers ground out.
 
Homer said:
It’s really cool now how the dictator can weaponize the banking industry against his political opponents……

Genius….huh DeerMadness…?
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And the media doxing & harassing those who sent financial support... yeah totally normal behavior in a healthy free society. When you've lost Ilhan Omar it might be an indication that you're on the wrong side of history
 
Seizing bank accounts, now they're coming for the pups too. First Ilhan Omar, now we're gonna have PETA too. This is gonna be awesome!

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With Covid cases dropping like a rock, every Canadian who loves freedom needs to head for Ottawa and say "Arrest me too!"
 
While you guys are obsessing over a bunch of whiney socialist truck drivers funded by right wing nut jobs, your President is doing this:

www.whitehouse.gov

Executive Order on Use of Project Labor Agreements For Federal Construction Projects | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act, 40 U.S.C. 101 et seq., and in order to promote economy and efficiency in the administration and completion of Federal...
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov


Wake up!
 
Bluehair said:
While you guys are obsessing over a bunch of whiney socialist truck drivers funded by right wing nut jobs, your President is doing this:

www.whitehouse.gov

Executive Order on Use of Project Labor Agreements For Federal Construction Projects | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act, 40 U.S.C. 101 et seq., and in order to promote economy and efficiency in the administration and completion of Federal...
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov


Wake up!
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Yep….that’s ugly…I guess indignation is dependent on who’s ox is being gored….
 
I’ll admit that my eyes glossed over trying to read that….with your experienced understanding of it…can you summarize the result for me?
 
Homer said:
I’ll admit that my eyes glossed over trying to read that….with your experienced understanding of it…can you summarize the result for me?
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Basically It requires non-union contractors to sign a union labor agreement. Think project vs company. I’m not anti-union, but this is outrageous.

PKS’s non-union companies might not like it. ;)
 
I read through it as well. My guess is that George Bush #1 signed an exec. order that protected non-union contractors. Clinton reversed it & signed his own pro-union E.O. Bush 2 reversed Clinton's E.O. and signed a pro non-union E.O. Obama reversed Bush 2's E.O. and signed his own pro-union E.O.
My guess is Trump reversed Obama's E.O. and now Brandon is going back to the Obama style E.O. Round and round we go and the attorneys stay gainfully employed
 
It just unionized ALL federal projects, and I'm guess federally funded projects.

Fanny mae?

I'm gonna assume the unions are going to refuse to work for non union companies who just sign a letter.

The President just took action to bankrupt contractors via beauracrat
 
wetmule said:
I read through it as well. My guess is that George Bush #1 signed an exec. order that protected non-union contractors. Clinton reversed it & signed his own pro-union E.O. Bush 2 reversed Clinton's E.O. and signed a pro non-union E.O. Obama reversed Bush 2's E.O. and signed his own pro-union E.O.
My guess is Trump reversed Obama's E.O. and now Brandon is going back to the Obama style E.O. Round and round we go and the attorneys stay gainfully employed
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Nope. This is a new level of tyranny.
 
wetmule said:
I stand corrected... thx!

www.contractorsperspective.com

Biden Executive Order Requires Project Labor Agreements on Large-Scale Construction Projects

On February 4, 2022, President Biden issued Executive Order 14063, requiring certain federal construction contractors and subcontractors “to negotiate or become party to a project labor agreement with one or more appropriate labor organizations.”
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This is a very good summary, thanks!

I wonder if you could still use your “rats” and just pay into the union H&W funds?:unsure:
 
eelgrass said:
I don't know what it says so how is this tyranny? Since all federal construction jobs are paid by tax money, are we getting screwed?
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In the parlance of the day, it’s a union mandate. Specifically for the construction industry (tech, etc exempt). Union bailout, etc, etc. No such strings attach to payments to Ukraine.

I worked for union contractors for much of my career. I liked when they got a raise because I always got to stay a step ahead of them.

But this is blatant pandering. It inflates the cost of construction and the unions will never keep up. Remember the port of LA?
 
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I went to the store this morning and they were out of my favorite Mother's Cookie. They said the truck didn't come in.

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I wish them Mother truckers would go back to work.
 
I neve
El Gringo said:
Your hero has now declared a “State of emergency” and is about to use the federal governments powers against your fellow countrymen…….

These are the kinds of actions that cause revolutions….. What an enormous POS
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I said he was my hero Captain Sarcasm ?
 
I think how this plays out is worth keeping an eye on……… one way or the other, it could very well be a precursor to what will happen here at home. Law enforcement and military follow orders, whether they agree with the orders or not.

How the Canadian Parliament responds to Trudeau’s declaration, whether the majority of the Members of Parliament support him or not. If they don’t, he’s done. If they do, all Canada is in a heap of trouble. Clearly the White House has told Trudeau to do as he wishes and he’s gone all in, to either win or loose. Trudeau is betting more Canadians support him than they do the principals of the Freedom Convoy movement.

We’re going to get to see and I think it will influence what the tail on that dog does to the US.
 
Trudeau's bankers can lock up opposers in the parliment's finances just like they have truckers and their supporters.....How can he lose??

Cash is King.....just too clumbsy to be effective...

Lead is the new gold....and it sure makes our shortages suspicious....
 
Homer said:
Trudeau's bankers can lock up opposers in the parliment's finances just like they have truckers and their supporters.....How can he lose??

Cash is King.....just too clumbsy to be effective...

Lead is the new gold....and it sure makes our shortages suspicious....
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Excellent question.

The only answer I can come up with is:

He can lock up their money but can he lock up their vote? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong.

The Parliamentary system is quite different than the US system. A none confidence vote from his party can replace him, without waiting for a national election, if my memory serves me right. That could happen tomorrow, in theory.

Could be wrong however.
 
2lumpy said:
Law enforcement and military follow orders, whether they agree with the orders or not.
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Not necessarily. In metro areas probably. After the crap the donkey party got away with last summer, it would be a hard sell I think if protests merely disrupted the supply chain. Hell, most state governments did that on their own.

2lumpy said:
We’re going to get to see and I think it will influence what the tail on that dog does to the US.
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I know he's that stupid, but I don't think he's that stupid. Maybe...
 
2lumpy said:
I think how this plays out is worth keeping an eye on……… one way or the other, it could very well be a precursor to what will happen here at home. Law enforcement and military follow orders, whether they agree with the orders or not.

How the Canadian Parliament responds to Trudeau’s declaration, whether the majority of the Members of Parliament support him or not. If they don’t, he’s done. If they do, all Canada is in a heap of trouble. Clearly the White House has told Trudeau to do as he wishes and he’s gone all in, to either win or loose. Trudeau is betting more Canadians support him than they do the principals of the Freedom Convoy movement.

We’re going to get to see and I think it will influence what the tail on that dog does to the US.
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We’ll see no resistance to little Fidel’s actions from other world leaders, they approve and will do the same. If any were going to condemn it we’d have heard about it by now. The Brownshirt state police & military will execute their orders & collect their paychecks. You may have heard Trudeau’s justice minister yesterday say: if you are a member of a Trump supporting group you should be very worried about getting your accounts frozen. He said it, WTF does Trump have to do with the Canadian trucker protest? A lot more going on here than meets the eye
 
roadrunner said:
Not necessarily. In metro areas probably.



I know he's that stupid, but I don't think he's that stupid. Maybe...
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Coutts/Sweet Grass. Alberta is the furthest thing from metro as Reserve is from Albuquerque, the RCMP cleared it day before yesterday, arrested 13.

The RCMP have always been a quasi or Second Level Military arm of Canadian security. Metro police are not. RCMP can be called to function, as if, they are military.

Military history of the RCMP:

He was stupid enough to invoke the Emergencies Act. He is that stupid. The question is, are there Members of Parliament that are that stupid too.

Do any of the general public here in the US understand what it will mean to the US if Canada goes full blown hard core socialist or worse? Think about it for a minute. It will make canceling our prepaid big game hunts child’s play.

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2lumpy said:
Coutts/Sweet Grass. Alberta is the furthest thing from metro as Reserve is from Albuquerque, the RCMP cleared it day before yesterday, arrested 13.

The RCMP have always been a quasi or Second Level Military arm of Canadian security. Metro police are not. RCMP can be called to function, as if, they are military.

Military history of the RCMP:

He was stupid enough to invoke the Emergencies Act. He is that stupid. The question is, are there Members of Parliament that are that stupid too.

Do any of the general public here in the US understand what it will mean to the US if Canada goes full blown hard core socialist or worse? Think about it for a minute. It will make canceling our prepaid big game hunts child’s play.

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I was referring to the USA, because you implied it was something that could trickle to the USA? Probably I read too much into it.

According to the PM questioning the other day in Canada's Parliament session, Canada loves tourism dollars. At least that's what the man-child Trudy said.
 
roadrunner said:
I was referring to the USA, because you implied it was something that could trickle to the USA? Probably I read too much into it.

According to the PM questioning the other day in Canada's Parliament session, Canada loves tourism dollars. At least that's what the man-child Trudy said.
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Well PM Trudy got along without tourist dollars and all lot of other US dollars when they kept their border closed until last August and required draconian quarantine requirements, for months prior to the truckers vaccination regulation.

But I’ll leave it alone for now because it’s all speculation for now and I’m far from a having a crystal ball.
 
I'll just put this right here.....the good comment start about 19:55

Sound familiar??? Jan 6 protesters. Wonder where the Canadians got this idea?
 

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