If he takes all the credit (he's even now having his name printed on the stimulus checks, which no prior President has done) then does he not get the blame when things go bad? Or does that not fit the narrative of Dear Leader?
And then there's those that pay the most in taxes and don't get a check OR a deposit from the stimulus.When you're a tax "payer" the IRS doesn't have your deposit info and you get a paper check in an instance like this.
Trump is an unreal case to try to figure out !! Best to not even try otherwise your mind will warp too. They could get a trainload of shrinks to try to analyze him & never come up with any answers for all his weirdness & phobias & God knows what all. To think he suckered his way into office because of all the people with no spines & no ethics & no moral values , beyond crazy. Let's hope this round coming up in Nov will return sanity to the USA. God Help Us !! Jerry Gold ? Fort Collins, ColoradoI wonder if the message will be something like,
"I'm paying you, vote for Trump!"
or
"Vote Trump, and more checks will be on the way!"
I have no opinion really on the checks themselves, I just can't believe he needs to put his name on them in some effort to take all credit for the stimulus. It's a head shaker.
He should be proud of what he and his team has done with the stimulus checks. Obama took months and months to get his rolling and to taxpayers. Trump, and the rest of our elected officials did well to make it happen quick....real quick.
I doubt those Presidents were the ones putting THEIR OWN photo on the money.Yeah, all those presidents with their faces on USA currency and Trump has his name on a check.
I doubt those Presidents were the ones putting THEIR OWN photo on the money.
Tomorrow we'll probably hear that he's only giving the stimulus checks to Trump voters.
I doubt those Presidents were the ones putting THEIR OWN photo on the money.
Tomorrow we'll probably hear that he's only giving the stimulus checks to Trump voters.
??? You think it's Trump's money ????Haters hate.
When or if you ever got a paycheck did it not include the signature of the payer?
I'm sure Trump does! He's willing to hold federal funds from governors who don't talk nice about him.??? You think it's Trump's money ????
I'm sure Trump does! He's willing to hold federal funds from governors who don't talk nice about him.
I'm sure Trump does! He's willing to hold federal funds from governors who don't talk nice about him.
So that's one vote for Biden.Trump is an unreal case to try to figure out !! Best to not even try otherwise your mind will warp too. They could get a trainload of shrinks to try to analyze him & never come up with any answers for all his weirdness & phobias & God knows what all. To think he suckered his way into office because of all the people with no spines & no ethics & no moral values , beyond crazy. Let's hope this round coming up in Nov will return sanity to the USA. God Help Us !! Jerry Gold ? Fort Collins, Colorado
Only Trump thinks the money is his, the rest of us know where it really comes from. Trump can't trick everyone, only those who choose to be fooled. That's why it's so ridiculous!!!The name on the check is all a cost savings really. It's all part of the Trump conspiracy to have his haters refuse the payment.
I have no dog in this fight as I am not eligible, but those of you who aren't big fans should refuse the payment, or at the very least donate to a charity of your choice. Don't be a hypocrite and cash it.
The right is now the left when it comes to spending and not paying for it. So not sure why the left wants to remain relevant, the President agrees with them on the role of government at least with borrowing and spending.
to pretend otherwise is stupid
Nemont
Only Trump thinks the money is his, the rest of us know where it really comes from. Trump can't trick everyone, only those who choose to be fooled. That's why it's so ridiculous!!!
As long as you speak nicely about him and tell him how powerful and smart he is, you’ll get your “vote for Trump” check. Hell, he’ll probably send you my check too.Hey Founder!
I Didn't Get A Personalized Check!
And NVB Said I'm Not Getting one!
I'm Wondering Now If Trump isn't Personally Delivering Mine?
Even a dem representative from Michigan that recovered from COVID19 is saying we as a nation need to be supportive of Trump.
You forgot the buying off of porn stars!Most definitely thinks he can buy votes, it's his MO. First with the big business tax cut, then came the farmers, next up was wall street, now thinks he can buy Joe Plumbers vote.
You forgot the buying off of porn stars!
She was a NAUGHTY Little Girl!
??? You think it's Trump's money ????
No. It's my grandkids money.
And I ain't got grandkids yet.
WTF do you think happens when you shut down a 23 trillion dollar economy.
The Same Guy that Shut it Down starts Sending Checks Right before Election Time!
That's What TF Happens!
Hey Hossy?
I Hear The Checks are Personalized as Well!
Hoss I would like to give you ? ?Grizz and Founder.
Post your account #and pin #.
This bullshit needs to end.
Both if you have whined and bitched, and cried, that this virus will kill everyone. You both have posted 3%, 2% death rates.
Man up. The money is a joke, post up your accounts
Grizz, make your employees give it back.
You two have been the loudest voices in here of the fear and paranoia.
Don't cash that " Trump check", then run your mouths.
Let's see those account and pin #.
NOT ONE OF THE 17 MILLION UNEMPLOYED GIVES A **** WHOSE MAME IS ON THE MEMO.
BTW, did you 2 post about Obama phones? Obama care?..
NOPE
You forgot the buying off of porn stars!
Jerry if you think Biden is the savior it might be time to check yourself into a old folks home.Trump is an unreal case to try to figure out !! Best to not even try otherwise your mind will warp too. They could get a trainload of shrinks to try to analyze him & never come up with any answers for all his weirdness & phobias & God knows what all. To think he suckered his way into office because of all the people with no spines & no ethics & no moral values , beyond crazy. Let's hope this round coming up in Nov will return sanity to the USA. God Help Us !! Jerry Gold ? Fort Collins, Colorado
On second thought, the Prez should demand an option for a US Savings Bond with his pitcher on it. Then we could keep it forever and might still be worth something.
I got one of those hats that says “ re-elect that Mother F#cker ?I wonder when he'll start having statue's of himself built and standing in town squares across America? It'll be labeled as "Stimulus Job Creation".
So, are you going to donate the money or give it to someone in need since you are against who it comes from? I don't get a stimulus so just curious.Most definitely thinks he can buy votes, it's his MO. First with the big business tax cut, then came the farmers, next up was wall street, now thinks he can buy Joe Plumbers vote. It's well known that the average American votes their wallet. Mine was a direct deposit but it's not going to change my vote.
Grizz and Founder.
Post your account #and pin #.
This bullshit needs to end.
Most definitely thinks he can buy votes, it's his MO. First with the big business tax cut, then came the farmers, next up was wall street, now thinks he can buy Joe Plumbers vote. It's well known that the average American votes their wallet. Mine was a direct deposit but it's not going to change my vote.
RelhNemont likes to rant and rave about Trump not being a fiscal conservative. Nemont would you have preferred crooked Hillary being in office and handling out the money in cahoots with Pelosi and her liberal Dems?
so only socialism will save the day, got itNeMont, the president, any president is in a lose-lose situation with this whole Covid-19 thing. It wouldn't matter who was in the oval office. As polarized as this country is, hell, I'm surprised the lights are still on to tell you the truth.
That’s all you got NeMont? Seriously? Your willful deflection speaks volumes. Read this slowly: No president can get past this unscathed. It could be your hero Obama or the bad orange man. There is no winners here.Relh
Is a lying old man in love with a lying Orange man. He pretends to be conservative but is a brain washed Trump apologist.
so only socialism will save the day, got it
Sounds like a buck:doe ratio.As of a week ago, 38 people lost their jobs for every 1 person diagnosed with CV-19 in the USA.
I think we were screwed with bad info from China and Trump made the best decision he could with the info he had... and the effects of that are a destroyed economy.
As of a week ago, 38 people lost their jobs for every 1 person diagnosed with CV-19 in the USA.
I think we were screwed with bad info from China and Trump made the best decision he could with the info he had... and the effects of that are a destroyed economy.
I give latitude to the people making those decision. I gave Bush latitude for the bailouts as he was risking a Depression. All Trump can do is look at the projections given, which was millions of dead Americans, and make the best decision he can based on that info. I don't fault him for being cautious early on as no President should risk that many lives. That's nuclear war on US soil numbers of dead Americans if it were true. And all he can do is listen to the experts.
However, if he gets the glory for the successes (shutting down travel from China early) then he gets the criticism from the repercussions that go with it (massive economic volatility). A true leader owns his decisions. Trump was either prescient for acting quickly, or he's guilty of overreacting before he had the correct info. He was either right or wrong, but he made decisions with far-reaching consequences that may take years to overcome. And he owns those decisions.
It's dishonest to say this was an overreaction but to also say Trump (who declared he has the sole authority on the matter and bragged he acted quickly because he always knew it was a pandemic) was blameless when it was HIS overreaction.
Trump has taken credit for the decisions to shut down the country early; if you feel it's an overreaction... then it's Trump's overreaction. Nobody else's. Remember, his "authority is total" on when the economy is shut down and opens back up. He owns this. For better or worse.
Sounds like a buck:doe ratio.
Fox is reporting that evidence is mounting that the animal/human transmission occured in a Chinese laboratory, which we all suspected.
Other sources are advancing this line as well. The domestic lockdown of Wuhan while international travel continued is particularly suspicious.
If true, I don't think this makes things better.
I think Trump is getting more blame (or credit, depending on your point of view) than he deserves for the shutdown. Many states, and more so individual counties, cities, and individual businesses were shutting down before he ever made his announcement. Granted, his announcement spurred more state and local governments to enact stay at home orders, but it isn’t as though it was a new idea to anyone by the time he made the first 15 days to flatten the curve or whatever announcement. The federal government should be a small part of the plan to “re-open”, but the details of when and how should come from smaller entities at the state, local and individual business level because a one size fits all approach that a federal level plan would mean is unlikely to be the best way for everywhere. I think his mixed messaging and general incoherent rambling has added to the unease, but I think the unease would be there regardless of who is running the government. Digging out of this mess is going to take a while. The healthcare industry is going to be in rough shape for a while. The facility I work at has historically been in great financial shape, especially considering that we are a small community hospital. Our financials looked great 2 months ago, but a huge amount of spending to be ready for the effects of CV, and the shutting down/dramatically decrease of the revenue generating service lines (like elective surgery etc..) has us looking at layoffs and very tight financial times ahead. That is going on in most of the country- some departments are busy, and some staff are able to be moved to meet the needs of this, but overall healthcare utilization is way down outside the very hot spots.
The media needs to STFU, and politicians need to stop playing doctor. There is nothing but a sea of bad information out there. That goes for media of all political slants, and politicians of all colors- red, blue, and orange.
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Good luck with that. There is HUGE $$$$ beung made right now by both.
Wyosam, the unease came from those brilliant scientists and their models (kinda like climate models. I hear this has done nothing to the Co2 levels). They were far from reality. The shotgun approach was wrong. The only ones that should have been laying low were the elderly and those with respiratory issues. The rest of us should have been allowed to march on!
Did Trump shut down the economy or did our governors? I'm as confused as CNN, Founder, and grizz after reading this post.
If you depend on international travel, trade, tourism, any of the restrictions implemented by CDC regarding social distancing, etc... then it's federal. If you depend on the parts of the economy affected by state and local restrictions... it's state and local.
The point is that even if a President can use Emergency Powers to shut a bakery down, that doesn't mean he has the power to overrule the local health department and force it to open back up.
Trump has no power to force all the international manufacturing to open back up to supply our businesses and economy here, no matter what he says. For example, the automotive industry is dead until parts manufacturing overseas is up and running again. And there's nothing we can do to force those countries to open their plants. Maybe we can get Mexico to pay for it though ?
If you depend on international travel, trade, tourism, any of the restrictions implemented by CDC regarding social distancing, etc... then it's federal. If you depend on the parts of the economy affected by state and local restrictions... it's state and local.
The point is that even if a President can use Emergency Powers to shut a bakery down, that doesn't mean he has the power to overrule the local health department and force it to open back up.
Trump has no power to force all the international manufacturing to open back up to supply our businesses and economy here, no matter what he says. For example, the automotive industry is dead until parts manufacturing overseas is up and running again. And there's nothing we can do to force those countries to open their plants. Maybe we can get Mexico to pay for it though ?
You do know that's faked, right? We've seen for years he just trolls far-right/conspiracy sites looking for that stuff and posts it everywhere else. Or do you really think they wrote that verbiage on the sides of their heads as they spoke. The internet is full of them. Wise up. You're embarrassing yourself.DW pic pretty much says it all
Pay real close attention to the "we never considered the bill of rights" part.
The Greek Doctor?DW's pic does say it all.
Loon's always want it both ways. Can you say Hippocrates!
I assume you're referring to Trump trying to force Congress into recess to make appointments without Congressional oversight? When Obama tried to make those appointments, McConnell blasted him for it. The Supreme Court overruled it with even liberal Justice Breyer chastising Obama for overstepping. It was so illegal that the liberal justices ruled against Obama ?Like Trump or not, he has forced a lot of folks to expose themselves.
I assume you're referring to Trump trying to force Congress into recess to make appointments without Congressional oversight? When Obama tried to make those appointments, McConnell blasted him for it. The Supreme Court overruled it with even liberal Justice Breyer chastising Obama for overstepping. It was so illegal that the liberal justices ruled against Obama ?
But every good autocrat tries to dismantle the Legislature to gain more power. And now Trump's using CV-19 as an excuse to do it too.
Why do Trump supporters always try and justify his actions by pointing to Obama doing similar things? It's happened about five times in the last few threads? Does that mean they supported it when Obama did it? Does that mean Trump is like Obama? I don't get the connection."I have a pen and a phone"
Grand Staircase Monument.
And BE HONEST, MOST of the public lands we have, came as an Autocrat acted in spite Congress.
See. You and I fight loudly for public lands, that weren't an act of Congress and done by a President with his own agenda.
You do know that's faked, right? We've seen for years he just trolls far-right/conspiracy sites looking for that stuff and posts it everywhere else. Or do you really think they wrote that verbiage on the sides of their heads as they spoke. The internet is full of them. Wise up. You're embarrassing yourself.
Wise up yourself my friend. The garbage doesn't matter, Trump ran the video in his press conference. One after the other criticizing him on the front end.
Dont forget, Pelosi standing in Chinatown, tweeting about a bill she would introduce stopping the travel ban.
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Not to mention the fact that, as I articulated above, even if a President could close the country on Sunday that doesn't mean he could force it open on Monday.
He doesn't have to force anything.
COVID-19 and Your Health
Get information about symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.www.cdc.gov
You mean like Trump's CDC guidelines preventing the right to peaceably assemble as protected in the 1st Amendment? Or forced confinement without Due Process?
A few days ago you guys were supporting Trump's right to do that.
Why do Trump supporters always try and justify his actions by pointing to Obama doing similar things? It's happened about five times in the last few threads? Does that mean they supported it when Obama did it? Does that mean Trump is like Obama? I don't get the connection.
And on the recess appointments, Obama's were ruled by the US Supreme Court to be illegal. Any bets I can find Rush and Hannity criticizing it when Obama did it?
Your National Monument argument above was especially weak. Congress specifically voted to grant the President that right in 1906 under the Antiquities Act. National Monuments aren't don't without Congressional oversight, Congress literally gave them that right.... one Congress could take away if they wanted as well. I wonder why the Republicans didn't do that when they had both Chambers and the White House.
PS. The sheep in my avatar was killed in GSENM, just so all the people that claim hunting isn't allowed there know the truth.
You do know that's faked, right? We've seen for years he just trolls far-right/conspiracy sites looking for that stuff and posts it everywhere else. Or do you really think they wrote that verbiage on the sides of their heads as they spoke. The internet is full of them. Wise up. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Not to mention the fact that, as I articulated above, even if a President could close the country on Sunday that doesn't mean he could force it open on Monday.
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Get information about symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.www.cdc.gov
You mean like Trump's CDC guidelines preventing the right to peaceably assemble as protected in the 1st Amendment? Or forced confinement without Due Process?
A few days ago you guys were supporting Trump's right to do that.
If Trump has no power, then Governors openly circumvented the B of R and the constitution.
You cant have it both ways
Hoss,
Why bother? He will always try to spin it that Trump is wrong. Blindly so left leaning he is off the chart
Hoss,
Why bother? He will always try to spin it that Trump is wrong. Blindly so left leaning he is off the chart
I give latitude to the people making those decision. I gave Bush latitude for the bailouts as he was risking a Depression. All Trump can do is look at the projections given, which was millions of dead Americans, and make the best decision he can based on that info. I don't fault him for being cautious early on as no President should risk that many lives.
I give Trump latitude and don't blame him for his decisions because he was only working with the info we had at the time.
Hoss, you have a really bad habit of jumping to conclusions and putting words in people's mouths. Just because somebody dislikes Trump doesn't mean they like Obama. Just because somebody thinks Trump doesn't have power doesn't mean he thinks the governor's do. You need to slow down and realize we live in a complex world where not everything is black/white, blue/red, right/wrong, smart/dumb.
And on top of that, we have a bunch of moving targets with massive webs of unintended consequences and far-reaching effects. I wrote an entire post above about how I give Trump latitude and don't blame him for his decisions because he was only working with the info we had at the time. I recommend you attempt to view the world through a deeper lens than what you're hearing on whatever talk radio station or podcast you have going at the time.
Is it fare that Congress goes and hide behind their closed doors when Health Care Professionals, First Responders, Police and Grocery Stores Workers just to name a few have to show up and do there work. Just like Hoss has been saying on many threads the ones that make the decision to shut the buisness down and then hide behind close doors when they know they will get a check even if they don't show up to work.I assume you're referring to Trump trying to force Congress into recess to make appointments without Congressional oversight? When Obama tried to make those appointments, McConnell blasted him for it. The Supreme Court overruled it with even liberal Justice Breyer chastising Obama for overstepping. It was so illegal that the liberal justices ruled against Obama ?
But every good autocrat tries to dismantle the Legislature to gain more power. And now Trump's using CV-19 as an excuse to do it too.
Wait a second! I thought a minute ago I was guilty of supporting him when he was overreacting with all of his closures so early on! But, remember, he know this was a pandemic the whole time and he acted quickly to save lives. His words, not mine!And you my friend have a HUGE bias directed at Trump.
Is it fare that Congress goes and hide behind their closed doors when Health Care Professionals, First Responders, Police and Grocery Stores Workers just to name a few have to show up and do there work. Just like Hoss has been saying on many threads the ones that make the decision to shut the buisness down and then hide behind close doors when they know they will get a check even if they don't show up to work.
What would happen if all grocery stores closed and refused to open for buisness, I will tell you what would happen they would be arrested for treason and the government would force the stores open.
The United States Congress just passed what most people consider as one of the most important bills in the history of the US and congress could not show up to vote, why because they our scared.
The Democrats our holding up congress inorder to stop President Trump in a time of the country that is most vulnerable since the Great Depression. The President should call Congress back on a direct order to get this Country running again and any Congressman/Congresswoman that does not show up will be charged with treason against the United States of America.
Signed buy the Commander In Chief
Donald Trump