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I thought you were bowing out. Dance monkey! Dance! hahahahahaNow I know you’re really full of $hit Lips!
You don’t have any friends. Lol
I thought you were bowing out. Dance monkey! Dance! hahahahahaNow I know you’re really full of $hit Lips!
You don’t have any friends. Lol
Not a fight because if it was there would be a chance he could winChick fight!!!!
Yep, you are absolutely right. If users of the public land, be they livestockmen, or any other users, paid the same or at least close to what they would pay to use private land, the Western States would back off on demanding taking over management from the Feds. Either that or require the other States to pay the Western State’s a far higher rate than they are now, to keep public land public. If a guy from Florida or Michigan, or Alabama wants to keep these lands public, they need to pony up more annual taxes to equalize the lose to the Western States by giving us a pittance in equalization compensation. If it’s public, and I want it to be, we all need to pay more to keep it public.An allotment is a binding agreement between the holder and the government. cancel culture doesn't work in the rural west the ranches are on solid ground legally.
What I will agree with is the grazing fees should be closer to private land lease rates. in this area summer pasture rents for $25-$35 depending on the range. USFS and BLM are still around $2.88 per unit last I looked. so private fees run about 1000% more than fed fees. the allotment holders have a right to the grazing , they don't have a right to graze for basically nothing.
if you really want to be pissed, consider the fact that many years the grazing drought assistance payments pay several times more than the grazing fees. so you're actually paying them to graze public lands, after you subsidized the grazing to begin with. I have a bit of a problem with this, especially if you're a producer paying private fees.
Bloomberg has a place above Meeker. Maybe a calf elk will get eaten on his personal golf course.Colorado’s gray wolves are exploring further into the state, according to new map
The wolves are exploring deeper into some areas of Colorado, but are largely avoiding others. CPW says that it plans to release updated maps of the furry predator's range once a month.www.kkco11news.com
If they make it to Wyoming we should start doing a collection here for the guy or gal that takes em out.
Hope soIn a recent article they are claiming that the WYO posse killed 4 of the 5 that had formed a pack in west moffat county and 2 of the 5 from the north park pack.
Sounds like the wyo posse is doing the lords workIn a recent article they are claiming that the WYO posse killed 4 of the 5 that had formed a pack in west moffat county and 2 of the 5 from the north park pack.
TKMule - Can you post the link on the Wyo guys that got 4 of 5 from the Moffat pack and 2 of 5 from North Park- I'm not seeing any info on it..
There was a nice article today in the Cowboy State Daily and it seems they are pretty on top of this to date but didn't mention any info like this.
I see it now. Thanks.Two Colorado wolves wandering close to Wyoming border, where killing them is legal
Killing wolves is legal in Wyoming. As Colorado's wolves wander close to the border, here's Colorado Parks and Wildlife's approach to the situation.www.coloradoan.com
about half way thru the article. theyre claiming 3-4 from the north park pack and 4 from the "former" moffat pack.
I hate cows, but they’re the closest thing to fire suppression we have here. I wish it was elk or deer but that isn’t the case.
I just looked at the youtube video, and think it looks alot like one of them when it was on its side at the start of the video.It looks much lighter in color than the radium released black one.
Exactly which part isn’t accurate?The Norwood folks from the BLM and FS keep a lid on new starts, so this isn’t an accurate statement. With the exception of Bull Draw there hasn’t been anything to mention. And the bull draw and mailbox fires look fantastic.
I agree - we will know soon if it is true.I feel like at this point if it were true it would be plastered all over the news... just did a search and found nothing.
You said “cows are the closest thing we have to fire suppression”Exactly which part isn’t accurate?
Fires have a lot more to do with water than they do with fs crews piling up sticks. I’m not ready to credit forest health to the bureaucrats just yet.
I politely disagree with you AZGuy. Livestock grazing is about all we have in our tool bag here in Colorado that is permitted. What is Az doing that is better?You said “cows are the closest thing we have to fire suppression”
I said your comment is not accurate and it’s not. And I don’t think the flannel wearing hippy smoking a joint on the way to the FS building daily is the bureaucrat but that’s another subject. We do have suppression resouces in the Southwest and some of the best in the country.
Are you talking about fire fighting resources? If so we are talking about two different things. I’m talking about rangeland management. I suppose I should have said fuel suppression.I politely disagree with you AZGuy. Livestock grazing is about all we have in our tool bag here in Colorado that is permitted. What is Az doing that is better?
Fuels suppression is a here I'm at. No way is a cow taking down an adult tree.Are you talking about fire fighting resources? If so we are talking about two different things. I’m talking about rangeland management. I suppose I should have said fuel suppression.
But in case we are talking about the same thing, I’ve noticed the HUGE increase in logging activity as well.
No suppression and fuels management are two different things. You said said suppression, your neck of the woods has good folks that put fire out.Are you talking about fire fighting resources? If so we are talking about two different things. I’m talking about rangeland management. I suppose I should have said fuel suppression.
But in case we are talking about the same thing, I’ve noticed the HUGE increase in logging activity as well.
I wasn’t talking about firefighters; I should have been clearer.No suppression and fuels management are two different things. You said said suppression, your neck of the woods has good folks that put fire out.
This article should be in the Denver Post, but the Post would never allow this point of view.Inside the Chaos and Secrecy Surrounding the Release of 10 Wolves in Colorado
In November 2020, Colorado voters approved Proposition 114 which required the Colorado Parks and Wildlife Department (CPW) to create a […]westernhunter.net
Mike is the man! Well written, as always.This article should be in the Denver Post, but the Post would never allow this point of view.
It just needs a GPS collar... then it would be a more natural representation of a Colorado woof.View attachment 140440
I am going to have this picture made into a poster and hold it in front of me when I hunt in CO. Safer than blaze orange. No one can shoot me then!
Headed toward Boulder!!!! Maybe the others will follow.
Gray wolves map shows growing movement across Colorado
A Colorado Parks and Wildlife map shows the tracked wolves have expanded their movement further into Rio Blanco County and toward Boulder County.kdvr.com
Yeah. Domestic cats and dogs have proven to be the prey of choice here in Montana. mtmuleyAs a veterinarian, I will be sad when pets start getting eaten by wolves. But not sad for their owners that voted this in. It remains to be seen how this will play out. Unlike Wyoming/ Montana/Idaho, in Colorado there are very few places where there aren’t people in substantial numbers even in the mountains. As far as I am concerned, the sooner they get to places like Boulder the better.
And theres only 10 released so far of the target of 45-60 and no plan to remove from protection till it hits 150 for 2yrs or 200 at any point. Should be interesting, likely won't hear about it on news channels in areas that voted for this steaming pile.Parks and Wildlife confirms calf killed by wolf in Grand County after finding ‘tooth rake marks’ and wolf tracks
Colorado Parks and Wildlife confirmed a wolf killed a calf in Grand County on Tuesday, marking the first depredation event since wolves were formally reintroduced in the state. “The field investigation found multiple tooth rake...www.skyhinews.com
There is actually no plan to remove protections from wolves. That’s a big part of the issue with it. They can hit 5,000 strong and still be unhuntableAnd theres only 10 released so far of the target of 45-60 and no plan to remove from protection till it hits 150 for 2yrs or 200 at any point. Should be interesting, likely won't hear about it on news channels in areas that voted for this steaming pile.
Or at least just post in the utah forum
This is going even worse than I thought it would. If there’s any upside, its that the chit show is happening in an election year. Maybe we can claw back a little common sense.
Where in colorado are you from?Hopefully the people who love to just sit back and b!tch about stuff actually get off their a$$ and go vote this time....
I think many of the people you hear vocalizing are for sure voting problem is wave after wave of the Cali- locusts that pour in and the vote for the same people that “ruined” their old stateHopefully the people who love to just sit back and b!tch about stuff actually get off their a$$ and go vote this time....
Yeah Denver / Boulder - front range controls the vote for the entire state unfortunately.I think many of the people you hear vocalizing are for sure voting problem is wave after wave of the Cali- locusts that pour in and the vote for the same people that “ruined” their old state
Problem with those numbers you are not accounting for the type of animals. Nearly all of WY cattle are cow calf operations. We do not produce beef here… We have cows and calves. Then w to finish and grow those cows and calves we ship them to other states for finishing. Like TX, OK, etc. While the number of total beef in WY is not near what it is in the states listed. Get rid of the Cows in Way and the states listed will drop.Since were on the subject of grazing public lands and the 'necessity of it to feed america', here is a list of the top 10 beef producing states in the country:
"The ten states with the most cattle, by number of cows per state, are :
1. Texas – 4,475,000
2. Oklahoma – 2,131,000
3. Missouri – 1,941,000
4. Nebraska – 1,832,000
5. South Dakota – 1,610,000
6. Kansas – 1,422,000
7. Montana – 1,299,000
8. Kentucky – 966,000
9. North Dakota – 945,000
10. Iowa – 925,000"
Only 1 of the top 10 states (Montana) has a decent amount of public land that is likely necessary for the sustainability of the cow/calf operations in the western portion of the state.
Wyoming, the state most "lay people" probably think of when they think of open range cattle grazing ranks 14th with 680,000 cows, barely putting it over the national average of 608,000 cows per state.
HOT TAKE ALERT: The reality is, public land grazing is basically just a state sponsored welfare program for mountain state producers, who dont even contribute that much to the total cattle production of the country. I thought if a business model required government assistance it should be allowed to fail in the free market?? The irony of this overwhelming.
All the while our governor and his staff along with CPW sit back and watch it happen and leave our hands tied, while telling us wolves will be wolves and this isn’t exactly unexpected!Steamboat radio is reporting that 2 of the released collared wolves have joined up with the 2 remaining north park wolves. Calving season is about to get interesting.
Would be a long line, so sign me up to help!All of you democrat voters that votes for Polis… I would like to line you up and kick you in the nuts one person at a time
You're implying they have nuts! My guess is if they have em... they never dropped!All of you democrat voters that votes for Polis… I would like to line you up and kick you in the nuts one person at a time
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$15,000 on a dog.... must have been a Golden Retriever.Here’s how much Colorado spent on wolf depredations since 2021
In total, the state paid out tens of thousands of dollars in claims from wolf depredations.kdvr.com
And we may just get them. I sure don’t hear much on the cat initiative, but I get google alerts for editorials all over the state crying about dead kitty’s.We apparently need more lions
I don’t worry about the wooferines near as much as the woofs. They don’t compete with me. It’s kind of like the lynx’s to me - they say they’re out there but I never see one.And of course the hits just keep on rolling.
Wolverine reintroduction legislation is “completely opposite” of Colorado's ballot–driven wolf plan
Legislation and a tentative Colorado Parks and Wildlife plan would reintroduce 45 wolverines in three mountain zones over three yearscoloradosun.com
I shot one in Canada. In terms most of us understand, It’s a badger (with bear paws) that lives in the mountains.I wondered what wolverines eat. Google says mostly small mammals and carrion , but they can bring down full grown deer in deep snow. Their feet are like snowshoes. Since they don’t hibernate, that’s one more winter game stressor. And I am sure fawns and calves are on the menu at times too. So maybe not a big issue but one more predator.
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