>This is only my second post,
>but as I've read through
>these conversations my thoughts are
>that 2lumpy & Muley_73
>attitudes, demeanor and words are
>outright astonishing? The apple sure
>didn't fall fare from the
>tree in this case.
>I would suggest 2lumpy & Muley_73
>and other adherent supporters of
>SWF step back and
>take a breather from their
>love affair with SFW.
> You?ve made it
>clear that you have personal
>and deep routed commitments to
>SFW and we have read
>about some of the conservations
>efforts you have been involved
>with. To be applauded,
>for sure?
>Frankly, your blind devotion to SFW
>is not allowing you to
>see clearly what Hawkeye and
>others in his camp are
>saying. I have a
>few questions for 2lumpy or
>any other SFW supporters willing
>to answer, (Tristate please reframe
>from responding I'd prefer not
>to read your dribble) that
>I think many of us
>would be interested in.
>? What is more important to
>you; wildlife preservation or the
>preservation of SFW?
>o Your words, actions and support
>clearly trend towards the latter
>of the two, but I
>believe a detailed response would
>be very helpful.
>? I'm dumfounded why someone would
>not want clear accounting and
>transparency concerning a public asset,
>any public asset? 2lumpy claims
>SFW has done this to
>his satisfaction, but clearly this
>is not the case for
>many others. 2lumpy claims
>that he is just an
>old cowboy and he calls
>it like he sees it.
> Fair enough; I'm an
>old cowboy myself and I'm
>simple enough to admit I'm
>neither an accountant nor an
>attorney. It seems that those
>who are really challenging this
>are experts in this area
>and we need to realize
>there is merit to their
>concerns and claims.
>The question everyone is asking,
>is why SFW won't relent
>to these simple requests?
>Show us what projects that
>$8.6+- million has gone to
>and be done with it.
>
>o You should know that I've
>been on the site for
>years and had plans on
>attending the debate of Don
>P. & Randy N.
> I was going into
>the debate as an unbiased
>observer with the intent of
>trying to understand all positions.
>My unbiased opinion is no
>longer unbiased?
>? If a person truly cares
>about wildlife preservation why would
>you not want 100% of
>revenues generated from the sale
>of Expo tags going back
>to wildlife?
>? If a person cares about
>wildlife preservation he would defiantly
>care and be involved in
>understanding how much a conservation
>group is paying a so-called
>consultant or any consultant. This
>is especially important if most
>of the revenues generated to
>pay that consultant come from
>a public asset.
>He would want all monies
>to be accounted for and
>demand the majority of, if
>not all of it go
>towards projects that are shovel
>ready for wildlife preservation. Is
>SFW doing this today?
> Again, show us the
>records?
>? Why demonize everyone that simply
>questions SFW&MDF and their actions.
>Citizen of Utah have a
>right to know. Why not
>provide details, answers and be
>forthright about a tremendous asset
>we are allowing you to
>manage?
>o Don?t you find it interesting
>that anyone that has access
>to the web, can go
>to a web site and
>we can see most, if
>not all, of Utah?s public
>employees? salaries. This is for
>any state, county, city, school
>district and University employee.
>(
http://www.utahsright.com/h_salaries.php) That includes
>2Lumpys example of Kyle Whittingham.
> If it's important enough
>for the citizen of Utah
>to know the $?s spent
>for a newly hired State
>road worker all the way
>up to the Governor of
>the state. Then by all
>means it should be demanded
>$8.6 million be accounted for
>to the very last penny.
>
>? The decision of the DWR
>to grant the extension of
>the expo tags to SFW&MDF
>stinks of corruption, favoritism and
>cronyism Because the
>deck was stacked in your
>favor (your words) does it
>mean SFW&MDF winning was morally
>right? Winning at all
>cost justify the means?
>o Again, what's more important wildlife
>conservation or SFW & MDF?s
>preservation?
>Hawkeye, I've contacted my state representative
>and expressed to him my
>concerns about the DWR awarding
>the extension of the EXPO
>tags to SFW & MDF
>and sadly, I'm not sure
>he wanted to listen.
>It's my impression this has
>to be pushed in the
>DWR?s world. I've learned
>over the years that government
>bureaucrats react to public pressure
>and most if not all
>of them hate any negative
>light shining on their controlled
>worlds. Is there more
>we can do, is there
>a group already working on
>a strategy? If momentum is
>building what else can we
>do, or how can we
>get involved? Is there
>a list or do we
>know which Utah legislative representatives
>have ties to SFW?
>Cherry
Very well said cherry